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Have you ever doubted God's existance?

The Aging Yankee Liberal Douche 2013/01/24 22:08:01
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  • boognish989 2013/01/25 20:17:10
    Yes
    boognish989
    +5
    i doubt the existence of gods just like i doubt the existence of other mythical beings for which there is no evidence.

    to all of the religious people who have doubts from time to time; those doubts are not the work of satan or your gods testing your faith, they are the result of your rational, adult mind trying to break free of its little box. it's just like when children start to realize that santa claus isn't real. at first they don't want to believe it, then they get to the point where they do, but they try to hold off that reality for the sake of the gifts, then, when they're ready, they finally let go of their belief altogether. we see this as a normal progression into adulthood. why should gods be any different? the belief in gods can be comforting, i guess, but i personally would rather live in reality than in a comforting fantasy.

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  • peter 2013/02/06 17:23:27
    Yes
    peter
    +1
    i am not into organised religionas i think it promotes old fashioned and ignorant ways of thinking
  • Starman 2013/02/04 17:22:15
    Other
    Starman
    +1
    At some point you have to look logically and ask yourself "if god did exist wouldn't there be some physical evidence of his effect on the world?"

    If god has no effect on the world, what's the point? How can I, as a rational person, put any credence in a belief in something that in no measurable way effects the world?
  • katyuska rojas 2013/02/04 17:17:21
    Yes
    katyuska rojas
    +1
    Yes, I do, I have many questions and many doubts.
    They tell us the God is the God of love, then they tell us if we don't believed in his son and fallow all this hard and almost impossible rules, we'll burn in hell, It's that unconditional love? Is that what you call the God of love?
    Yesterday a player from the Raven said they won cause God was we then, I ask my self What kind of God favor one team and no the other. Why can't he love us all the same, why does he give some people so much and other so little? Yeah I know some told me once those that suffer must will get to haven faster. Why its God so unfair he makes suffer so much just to give us something. Will you do that to my children? God do that to his.
  • Scandalf 2013/01/30 17:02:41
    I know that he doesn't
    Scandalf
    +1
    ...define himself as a "He".
    No, seriously: I don't know (pure Agnostic). But I tend to believe.
  • ghostrider 2013/01/29 05:28:18
    I know that he doesn't
    ghostrider
    +2
    No doubt at all ...
  • Red 2013/01/28 06:51:44
  • CorrectOpinion 2013/01/28 00:51:51
    Yes
    CorrectOpinion
    +1
    Of course. But I keep coming back to there is a higher power. Too many reasons TOO believe. There is no upside to not believing either. I think most people fight it......rational brain fighting to understand something they can't prove. But I also think most people believe on some level. The ones who shout the loudest that there is no God are the ones having the most doubts.....
  • bb4ever 2013/01/27 21:56:50
    Yes
    bb4ever
    +2
    I doubt he is the all loving God that my church keeps trying to make me believe.
  • Correct... bb4ever 2013/01/28 00:53:37
    CorrectOpinion
    Church has a dog in the fight. Believe your own gut feelings and you will be fine.
  • bb4ever Correct... 2013/02/02 05:37:29
    bb4ever
    Thanks.
  • Jane 2013/01/27 16:17:35
    Yes
    Jane
    +3
    Duh, nobody indoctrinated me as a child.
  • Correct... Jane 2013/02/03 16:28:20
    CorrectOpinion
    But as an adult, you can make up your own mind. That this is a mindless world with no consequences, or there is a higher power of some kind.
  • Jane Correct... 2013/02/03 16:37:45
    Jane
    +2
    I would never conclude that the Bible or any religion could give me any answers.
  • Correct... Jane 2013/02/03 16:43:40
    CorrectOpinion
    Didn't say that did I. You are rebellious by nature I see. But you are saying that no religion and nothing in the bible has ANY merit? No moral code. No societal benefits?
    Kinda a broad stroke of rejection without even considering it.
    But I said HIGHER POWER OF SOME KIND. Make of it as you will.
    I too am not a disciple of a DOCTRINE made by man. But I also can see the truths in a sermon or a tenant of a religion. (That is, if you want to be happy and live your life in the light. If you want to be part of the problem, and fill your soul with hate, bitterness and anger, then you may not get anything out of any religion at all.)
  • Jane Correct... 2013/02/03 16:52:47
    Jane
    +1
    Right, I am rebellious by nature. I live in the texas panhandle, bible belt of the world. Born agains and other such morons, speaking in tongues and rolling on the floor. I didn't say (may have implied) that the bible has no merit, but why struggle through all the physio babble to get to some logic. Most people are innately good and know right from wrong. I know I certainly do and don't believe that religion can make me happy, that is my responsibility.
  • Correct... Jane 2013/02/03 17:08:38
  • Jane Correct... 2013/02/04 04:54:25
    Jane
    ok
  • Tim 2013/01/27 02:45:49
    Other
    Tim
    +1
    I don't ever doubt he exists. I have doubted my own existence, though.
  • Bonita Colley 2013/01/26 23:10:38
    No
    Bonita Colley
    +1
    Just wondered why it felt he left.....
  • Garland Bennett 2013/01/26 00:26:58
    Yes
    Garland Bennett
    +1
    More than one time in my life have I doubted weather God is around to help me with life troubles more than I can ask or deal with.
  • Linda 2013/01/26 00:18:43
    Yes
    Linda
    +1
    I have but who doesn't question whether there is or isn't a god, it's in our nature to be curious and trying to find all the answers in this life.
  • Jlmpatro 2013/01/25 23:49:25
    No
    Jlmpatro
    +1
    I never doubted his existence !
  • baby cakes 826 2013/01/25 23:09:07
    Other
    baby cakes 826
    +1
    maybe once or twice
  • Susana 2013/01/25 22:37:36
    No
    Susana
    +1
    Something did not appear out of nothing for no apparent reason.
    Impossible.
    Also the Bible can be proven since it is the history of the nation of Israel which lines up with secular history.
    This cannot be refuted.
  • ᗩda 乂 2013/01/25 22:24:34
    Yes
    ᗩda 乂
    +2
    It's the whole guy with a beard that lives in outta space that nobody can see that gets me!ツ
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2013/01/25 21:03:27
    I know that he doesn't
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +2
    If there is a god its definitely NOT the god of Christianity - or Judaism - or Islam.

    No Abrahamic Religion existed before 950 BCE. 2700 years before that, Sumerians had already invented glue, the wheel and WRITING.
  • Susana FAWKES'... 2013/01/25 23:20:37
    Susana
    Yes but the Sumerians had no clue of what was really going on.
    But God told the nation of Israel his name and his laws.
  • FAWKES'... Susana 2013/01/25 23:26:53
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +3
    Prior to "inventing" the Torah around 950 BCE, the israelites were Polytheistic, with "Yahweh" being one of the sons of the Creator God "El." Much of the Old Testament is copied from Sumerian Polytheistic stories written 1400 to 2700 years earlier, including the story of "Eden" the "Great Flood," "Sodom & Gomorrah," etc.

    Outside of overwhelming archaeological evidence of this, remnants of Polytheism are even included in the Bible. The most obvious being Psalm 82:

    1 God presides in the great assembly;
    he renders judgment among the gods:
    2 “How long will you defend the unjust
    and show partiality to the wicked?
    3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
    uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
    4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
    deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
    5 “The gods know nothing, they understand nothing.
    They walk about in darkness;
    all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
    6 “I said, ‘You are gods;
    you are all sons of the Most High.’
    7 But you will die like mere mortals;
    you will fall like every other ruler.”
    8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
    for all the nations are your inheritance.

    Its all made up.
  • Susana FAWKES'... 2013/01/25 23:44:40 (edited)
    Susana
    Let's look at one commandment they "made up" ;You Shall Not Commit Adultery.

    Murders, suicides, broken homes, crime, depression, sorrow, prison sentences,
    loneliness, regrets, anger, rage, confused and disillusioned children, ST D's, and the list goes on of all these things coming into play because someone committed adultery.

    Let's look at another commandment they "made up" You Shall Not Steal.

    Robberies and murders, bankruptcies, extortion, embezzlement, ponzi schemes, Prison sentences, and other evil comes from the transgression of this commandment.

    Anyway I hope you get the point that if what Israel received from God at Sinai
    was obeyed none of this evil would happen.

    If the Bible were obeyed we would live in a paradise.

    They did not make it up, but had they, wow they did a GREAT job in showing us how to be happy in life!
  • FAWKES'... Susana 2013/01/25 23:50:28
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +3
    Those are laws. Religion has always been used as a tool of control.

    The Ten Commandments were borrowed from the Egyptians:

    I have not reviled the God.
    I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
    I have not done what the God abominates . . .
    I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
    I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .
    I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
    I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
    I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
    I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
    I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
    I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
    I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
    I have not blocked the God at his processions.
  • Susana FAWKES'... 2013/01/25 23:58:37
    Susana
    His laws govern the universe and these universal laws coincide with what God said in the Bible at Sinai.
    You cannot prove one thing you posted about the Egyptians, plus you missed the entire point of what I posted.
  • FAWKES'... Susana 2013/01/26 00:01:16
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +2
    Show us some evidence of an Abrahamic Religion being practiced in... oh lets say 1500 BCE.

    We'll just wait here.

    tumbleweed gif
  • Susana FAWKES'... 2013/01/26 00:30:53
    Susana
    You evade my question with one of your own.
    Prove what i said about the Egyptians, then I will answer you.
    I'll be back.
  • FAWKES'... Susana 2013/01/26 01:16:38 (edited)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +3
    They are from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Chapter 125 which dates to 1550 BCE - 600 years before the Torah had even begun to be first written.

    http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.a...

    1550 bce 600 years torah begun written httpwww digitalegypt ucl

    Now show us evidence of an Abrahamic Religion being practiced at that same time.
  • Susana FAWKES'... 2013/01/26 02:59:01
    Susana
    Sorry but you have to prove this Book of the Dead is
    true.
    Saying it is true is not sufficient.
    Prove it is actually true
  • FAWKES'... Susana 2013/01/26 03:06:59
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +3
    LMFAO!!!!

    What do you think that graphic is?

    In fact, it was on exhibit at The British Museum in 2011. I suppose you think The British Museum are liars too. Here, call them and ask: Tel: +44 (0)20 7323 8000

    Still waiting for evidence of an Abrahamic Religion being practiced around 1500 BCE. You don't have any, do you? That's because it doesn't exist.
  • Susana FAWKES'... 2013/01/26 03:18:38
    Susana
    The Abrahamic religion existed long before that. I explained you about the Ten Commandments Or at least 2 of them. And what results if they are not obeyed
    That proves the Bible is true.
    1500 years ago? David and Solomon were kings almost around then.. about 1000 BC.
  • FAWKES'... Susana 2013/01/26 16:46:53
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +3
    I asked for evidence of an Abrahamic religion being practiced in 1500 BCE, Not what one of the stories in your book says.
  • Susana FAWKES'... 2013/01/26 03:20:20
    Susana
    It is pointless to talk to you Because you cannot understand what I explained to you about the 2 commandments
  • FAWKES'... Susana 2013/01/26 16:51:46
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +2
    Here is a story that was written by Polytheistic Sumerians 1700 years before the Hebrews began writing the Torah. The original stone tablets containing this story exist. Tell us if you think it sounds familiar.

    [1] Gilgameš spoke to Ut-napištim, the Faraway:
    "I have been looking at you,
    but your appearance is not strange - you are like me!
    You yourself are not different - you are like me!
    My mind was resolved to fight with you,
    but instead my arm lies useless over you.
    Tell me,
    how is it that you stand in the Assembly of the Gods, and have found life?"

    [8] Ut-napištim spoke to Gilgameš, saying:
    "I will reveal to you, Gilgameš, a thing that is hidden,
    a secret of the gods I will tell you!
    Šuruppak, a city that you surely know,
    situated on the banks of the Euphrates,
    that city was very old, and there were gods inside it.

    [14] The hearts of the Great Gods moved them to inflict the Flood.
    Their Father Anu uttered the oath,
    Valiant Enlil was their Adviser,
    Ninurta was their Chamberlain,
    Ennugi was their Minister of Canals.

    [19] Ea, the Prince, was under oath with them
    so he repeated their talk to the reed house:
    'Reed house, reed house! Wall, wall!
    O man of Šuruppak, son of Ubar-Tutu [i.e., Ut-napištim]
    Tear down the house and build a boat!
    Abandon wealth and seek living beings!
    Spurn possessions and keep a...






































































































































































































































    Here is a story that was written by Polytheistic Sumerians 1700 years before the Hebrews began writing the Torah. The original stone tablets containing this story exist. Tell us if you think it sounds familiar.

    [1] Gilgameš spoke to Ut-napištim, the Faraway:
    "I have been looking at you,
    but your appearance is not strange - you are like me!
    You yourself are not different - you are like me!
    My mind was resolved to fight with you,
    but instead my arm lies useless over you.
    Tell me,
    how is it that you stand in the Assembly of the Gods, and have found life?"

    [8] Ut-napištim spoke to Gilgameš, saying:
    "I will reveal to you, Gilgameš, a thing that is hidden,
    a secret of the gods I will tell you!
    Šuruppak, a city that you surely know,
    situated on the banks of the Euphrates,
    that city was very old, and there were gods inside it.

    [14] The hearts of the Great Gods moved them to inflict the Flood.
    Their Father Anu uttered the oath,
    Valiant Enlil was their Adviser,
    Ninurta was their Chamberlain,
    Ennugi was their Minister of Canals.

    [19] Ea, the Prince, was under oath with them
    so he repeated their talk to the reed house:
    'Reed house, reed house! Wall, wall!
    O man of Šuruppak, son of Ubar-Tutu [i.e., Ut-napištim]
    Tear down the house and build a boat!
    Abandon wealth and seek living beings!
    Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings!
    Make [the seed of] all living beings go up into the boat.
    The boat which you are to build,
    its dimensions must measure equal to each other:
    its length must correspond to its width.
    Roof it over like the Apsu.' [i.e., the firmament in the primordial waters]

    [32] I understood and spoke to my lord, Ea:
    'My lord, thus is the command which you have uttered
    I will heed and will do it.
    But what shall I answer the city, the populace, and the Elders?'

    [36] Ea spoke, commanding me, his servant:
    'You, well then, this is what you must say to them:
    "It appears that Enlil is rejecting me
    so I cannot reside in your city,
    nor set foot on Enlil's earth.
    I will go down to the Apsu to live with my lord, Ea,
    and upon you he will rain down abundance,
    a profusion of fowl, myriad fishes
    He will bring to you a harvest of wealth,
    in the morning he will let loaves of bread shower down,
    and in the evening a rain of wheat!"'

    [48] Just as dawn began to glow
    the people assembled around me.
    The carpenter carried his hatchet,
    the reedworker carried his flattening stone,

    [two lines destroyed]

    [54] The child carried the pitch,
    the weak brought whatever else was needed.
    On the fifth day I had laid out her exterior.
    It was a field in area,
    its walls were each 10 times 12 cubits in height,
    the sides of its top were of equal length, 10 times 12 cubits each.

    [58] Then I designed its interior structure as follows:
    I provided it with six decks,
    thus dividing it into seven levels.
    The inside of it I divided into nine compartments.
    I drove plugs to keep out water in its middle part.
    I saw to the punting poles and laid in what was necessary.

    [65] Three times 3,600 units of raw bitumen I poured into the bitumen kiln,
    three times 3,600 units of pitch [...] into it,
    there were three times 3,600 porters of casks who carried vegetable oil.
    Apart from the 3,600 units of oil for the dedication,
    the boatsman stored away two times 3,600 units of oil.

    [70] I butchered oxen for the carpenters,
    and day upon day I slaughtered sheep.
    I gave the workmen beer, ale, oil, and wine,
    as if it were river water,
    and they made a party like the New Year's Festival!

    [75] I set my hand to the finishing of the ship.
    The boat was finished by sunset.
    The launching was very difficult:
    They had to keep carrying a runway of poles front to back,
    until two-thirds of it had gone under water.

    [80] Whatever I had I loaded on it:
    whatever silver I had I loaded on it,
    whatever gold I had I loaded on it.
    All the living beings that I had I loaded on it,
    I had all my kith and kin go up into the boat,
    all the beasts and animals of the field and the craftsmen I had go up.

    [87] [The sun god] Šamaš had set a stated time:
    'In the morning I will let loaves of bread shower down,
    and in the evening a rain of wheat!
    Go inside the boat, seal the entry!'

    [89] That stated time had arrived.
    In the morning he let loaves of bread shower down,
    and in the evening a rain of wheat.
    I watched the appearance of the weather:
    the weather was frightful to behold!

    [93] I went into the boat and sealed the entry.
    For the caulking of the boat, to Puzur-Amurri, the boatman,
    I gave the palace together with its contents.

    [96] Just as dawn began to glow
    there arose from the horizon a black cloud.
    [the storm god] Adad rumbled inside of it,
    before him went Šhullat and Haniš [Sack and Suppression],
    heralds going over mountain and land.

    [101] [The god of destruction] Erragal pulled out the mooring poles,
    forth went [the war god] Ninurta and made the dikes overflow.

    [103] The gods lifted up the torches,
    setting the land ablaze with their flare.

    [105] Stunned shock over Adad's deeds overtook the heavens,
    and turned to blackness all that had been light.
    He shattered the land like a raging bull, broke it into pieces like a pot.

    [108] All day long the South Wind blew,
    blowing fast - and then the Flood came,
    overwhelming the people like an attack.

    [111] No one could see his fellow,
    they could not recognize each other in the torrent.

    [113] Even the gods were frightened by the Flood,
    and retreated, ascending to the heaven of Anu.
    The gods were cowering like dogs, crouching by the outer wall.

    [116] Ištar shrieked like a woman in childbirth,
    the sweet-voiced Mistress of the Gods wailed:
    'The olden days have alas turned to clay,
    because I said evil things in the Assembly of the Gods!
    How could I say evil things in the Assembly of the Gods,
    ordering a catastrophe to destroy my people?
    No sooner have I given birth to my dear people
    than they fill the sea like so many fish!'

    [124] The gods -those of the Anunnaki- were weeping with her,
    the gods humbly sat weeping, sobbing with grief,
    their lips burning, parched with thirst.
    Six days and seven nights
    came the wind and flood,
    the storm flattening the land.

    [129] When the seventh day arrived,
    the storm was pounding.
    She who had been struggling with itself like a woman writhing in labor,
    the sea, calmed; the whirlwind fell still; the flood stopped.

    [133] I looked around all day long - quiet had set in
    and all the human beings had turned to clay!
    The terrain was as flat as a roof.

    [136] I opened a vent and daylight fell upon my cheek.
    I fell to my knees and sat weeping,
    tears streaming down my cheeks.
    I looked around for coastlines in the expanse of the sea,
    and at twelve leagues there emerged a region of land.

    [141] On Mount Nimuš the boat lodged firm,
    Mount Nimuš held the boat, allowing no sway.
    One day and a second Mount Nimuš held the boat, allowing no sway.
    A third day, a fourth, Mount Nimuš held the boat, allowing no sway.
    A fifth day, a sixth, Mount Nimuš held the boat, allowing no sway.

    [146] When a seventh day arrived
    I sent forth a dove and released it.
    The dove went off, but came back to me;
    no perch was visible so it circled back to me.

    [150] I sent forth a swallow and released it.
    The swallow went off, but came back to me;
    no perch was visible so it circled back to me.

    [153] I sent forth a raven and released it.
    The raven went off, and saw the waters slither back.
    It eats, it scratches, it bobs, but does not circle back to me.

    [156] I sacrificed: I offered a libation to the four corners of the world,
    I burned incense in front of the rising mountain.
    Seven and seven cult vessels I put in place,
    and into the bowls I poured [the oil of] reeds, cedar, and myrtle.

    [160] The gods smelled the savor,
    the gods smelled the sweet savor,
    and collected like flies over a sacrifice.

    Just then the Mistress of the Gods arrived.
    She lifted up the large fly-shaped beads which Anu had made for their engagement:

    'You gods, as surely as I shall not forget this lapis lazuli around my neck,
    may I be mindful of these days, and never forget them!
    The gods may come to the incense offering,
    but Enlil may not come to the incense offering,
    because without considering he brought about the Flood
    and consigned my people to annihilation.'

    [171] Just then Enlil arrived.
    He saw the boat and became furious,
    he was filled with rage at the Igigi gods:
    'Where did a living being escape?
    No man was to survive the annihilation!'

    [176] Ninurta spoke to Valiant Enlil, saying:
    'Who else but Ea could devise such a thing?
    It is Ea who knows every machination!'

    [180] Ea spoke to Valiant Enlil, saying:
    'It is yours, O Valiant One, who is the Sage of the Gods.
    How, how could you bring about a Flood without consideration
    Charge the violation to the violator,
    charge the offense to the offender,
    but be compassionate lest (mankind) be cut off,
    be patient lest they be killed.

    [187] Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
    would that a lion had appeared to diminish the people!
    Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
    would that a wolf had appeared to diminish the people!
    Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
    would that famine had occurred to slay the land!
    Instead of your bringing on the Flood,
    would that Pestilent Erra had appeared to ravage the land!

    [196] It was not I who revealed the secret of the Great Gods,
    I only made a dream appear to Atrahasis, and thus he heard our secret.
    Now then! The deliberation should be about him!'

    [198] Enlil went up inside the boat
    and, grasping my hand, made me go up.
    He had my wife go up and kneel by my side.
    He touched our forehead and, standing between us, he blessed us:

    [202] 'Previously Ut-napištim was a human being.
    But now let Ut-napištim and his wife become like us, the gods!
    Let Ut-napištim reside far away, at the Mouth of the Rivers.'

    [205] They took us far away and settled us at the Mouth of the Rivers.

    [To Gilgameš] Now then, who will convene the gods on your behalf,
    that you may find the life that you are seeking!
    Wait! You must not lie down for six days and seven nights."

    [209] Soon as Gilgameš sat down (with his head) between his legs
    sleep, like a fog, blew upon him.
    Ut-napištim said to his wife:
    "Look there! The man, the youth who wanted (eternal) life!
    Sleep, like a fog, blew over him."
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