Group Plans Mars Settlement: Would You Live on Mars?

by Heisenberg Posted 2012/08/13 21:00:00

Related Topics: Mars, Weird News, Space, Mars One

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MYFOXNY.COM reports:
A company called Mars One is planning to settle Mars by the year 2023 by sending people on a one-way rocket ride to the red planet.

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Heisenberg 2012/08/13 21:26:51

Yes

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Rick 2012/08/14 20:02:50

No

Looks boring

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Eddie 2012/08/14 19:57:36

No

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Probably not. It sounds exciting and all but I like trees and grass too much.

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~HopelessRomanticM17~ 2012/08/14 19:35:57

No

Heck no

I'd like to stay here on Earth, thank you very much

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Crypt_Heart 2012/08/14 19:14:48

Yes

Just make sure I have internet connection and feel free to launch meh =P

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mr echo 2012/08/14 18:26:01

Yes

To catch kill bang and save the earth

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Cuthbert Allsgood 2012/08/14 18:22:46

No

I don't think I could attempt anything like that, but I really like what the Mars One group is putting together. Getting humans to Mars in the next 15-20 years we be a major accomplishment for us.

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barby karring 2012/08/14 18:15:52 (edited)

No

Mars is hot,dry and really dusty, also there's no water and no other lifeforms there despite rumors of aliens and creatures. The aliens that live here among us are misidentified as insects are the ant creatures, and they are very intelligent.
When you go to mars; come back and verify that I was right.

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drdos1943 to barby k... 2012/08/14 18:44:22

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If you go to Mars and stay there for a significant length of time (about three months), you will never be able to return to Earth and survive for more than a very short time.

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Crypt_H... to drdos1943 2012/08/14 19:15:49

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O.o you have any proof of this?

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drdos1943 to Crypt_H... 2012/08/14 21:09:24

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Absolutely. The mass of Mars is a little less than one third of Earth and therefore its gravity is about one third of Earth's. If you were to live on Mars for any length of time, no matter how much rigorous exercise you did every day, every muscle in your body, including your heart, would adjust to the Martian gravity. If you were originally a 150 lb person on Earth, your body would adjust to being about a 50 lb person on Mars. If, after that adjustment, you returned to Earth, it would be as if you suddenly weighed almost 400 lbs. here.

An early Russian astronaut, after having spent about a month in free-fall space without artificial gravity, returned to Earth and had to be carried from from his space capsule. He couldn't even stand up due to muscle deterioration. Shortly afterwards, he died from a heart attack.

Creating artificial gravity in space is easy. However, creating it on the surface of a planet is way beyond our technology, and may not be possible at all.

For an even more extreme example, if that 150 lb. person were to stay on our moon for any length of time and their body adjusted to the moon's gravity (10% of Earth's), upon return to Earth, it would be as if their body weight were suddenly 1500 lbs....Get the picture?

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Crypt_H... to drdos1943 2012/08/14 21:23:11

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That's a fair point and I do see the reasoning behind it, though I feel with the right environment such as say on a space station and going through rehabilitation, through the use of gravity increments, so one station would have a stronger gravity than the other (or capsules...who knows). Building eventually back up to earth. That 'would' be possible.

Having said that, it is thanks to his experiences that our Astronaughts today go under rigorous training regimes in order to simulate earth's gravity.

Slightly off topic but micro gravity on earth: http://www.nasa.gov/audience/...

The use of a Centrifuge also helps with rehabilitation for high gravity environments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

There are also extra ways of training the bodies...through some sort of hoover/vacuum device that they use in order to increase straight on the muscles. The tests that were done (a long time ago) showed that someone undergoing this training would be able to run much much faster than a control subject undergoing regular training or the same training but without the hoover/vacuum device. Supposedly it simulated the effects of gravity but I'm not sure how this would apply to the organs.

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drdos1943 to Crypt_H... 2012/08/14 21:41:32 (edited)

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Yes. It is possible that little by little increasing the the centrifugal gravity in a space station or space capsule on the way back, you could adapt someones body back to being able to survive again on Earth; but it probably would take months and months. How long does it take a body-builder to develop muscles?...and it is not just muscle deterioration. There are problems with cell elasticity, mitosis, peristalsis, and a multitude of other changes that the body goes through.

It's nice to dream; but at this point it is very impractical...that is not to say that it cannot be done.

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El Prez to drdos1943 2012/08/14 22:59:24

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Nice to see people have a civil and intelligent discussion!!

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Crypt_H... to El Prez 2012/08/14 23:34:44

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Rofl!

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Crypt_H... to drdos1943 2012/08/14 23:54:52

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Hm, I'm not familiar with the finer points of what happens after long periods of weightless or near lower gravity environments. But I'm sure with the proper health regime (with centrifugal equipment and others) that the effects could be mitigated somewhat.

http://www.universetoday.com/...
This discusses that while we have a decent understanding of gravity in terms of where it comes from, we're far from complete about what the effects of the gravity on mars would be on humans. Apparently there's a mission scheduled in two years time to have a look at these things.

The cell elasticity I know absolutely nothing about but the cell mitosis...
http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gros... This seems to indicate that Mitosis would increase on mars, so...bearing in mind what we know about cell division and life span. Unless we can get a certain amount of gravity (I'm sure this is what the project in the article above will be aiming to look at as one of its objectives), it could be the case that the Martians would have a significantly shorter life span than those in a high gravity environment. >_> So...what's the tectonic structure like under the north pole? Would you say it's...stable? If so can I get a house built on the earth's surface there (of course it'd be under water XD). I'll do quite ...

Hm, I'm not familiar with the finer points of what happens after long periods of weightless or near lower gravity environments. But I'm sure with the proper health regime (with centrifugal equipment and others) that the effects could be mitigated somewhat.

http://www.universetoday.com/...
This discusses that while we have a decent understanding of gravity in terms of where it comes from, we're far from complete about what the effects of the gravity on mars would be on humans. Apparently there's a mission scheduled in two years time to have a look at these things.

The cell elasticity I know absolutely nothing about but the cell mitosis...
http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gros... This seems to indicate that Mitosis would increase on mars, so...bearing in mind what we know about cell division and life span. Unless we can get a certain amount of gravity (I'm sure this is what the project in the article above will be aiming to look at as one of its objectives), it could be the case that the Martians would have a significantly shorter life span than those in a high gravity environment. >_> So...what's the tectonic structure like under the north pole? Would you say it's...stable? If so can I get a house built on the earth's surface there (of course it'd be under water XD). I'll do quite a bit to get a longer life span ^-^
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Sperry23 to drdos1943 2012/08/15 16:14:04 (edited)

Valeri Vladimirovich Polyakov holds the record for the longest amount of time in space, 437 days aboard the MIR Station. January 8, 1994 to March 22, 1995. As of today, he's not only alive, but active. He broke Vladimir Georgiyevich Titov and Musa Khiramanovich Manarov's record of record of 365 days. Both are still very much alive with Titov currently serving as General Director of Russian Operations of Excalibur Almaz.

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drdos1943 to Sperry23 2012/08/15 16:30:47 (edited)

That is true. However, I am not sure whether or not that station is/was capable of centrifugal artificial gravity. Our astronauts, even with rigorous exercises every day, upon returning to Earth, had significant muscle deterioration... and none of them were in space too long. We really do not know how long it would take for the effects to happen. Each individual is different; but it has to occur.

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Incognito 2012/08/14 17:35:27

No

Although I am not too thrilled to be stuck on planet Earth, Mars looks even worse! I prefer a utopian planet myself.

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Barbi Rose 2012/08/14 17:32:49

Yes

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It might be cool at least the crime rate is pretty low.

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TimothyBrianFoley 2012/08/14 17:21:09

No

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it would be ice but best place is on earth

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Tennessee3501 2012/08/14 17:16:00

No

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I might reconsider if Sandra Bullock is moving there!

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Justin Teufel Hunden 2012/08/14 17:06:01

No

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We are lacking knowledge of our own planet. Why attempt another? Duuuuumb

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drdos1943 to Justin ... 2012/08/14 18:48:25 (edited)

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I am not an environmentalist nut. Why should we go and destroy another planet.

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T. James H to Justin ... 2012/08/15 01:50:14
Justin ... to T. James H 2012/08/15 14:37:41 (edited)

My comment is plain and simple. Don't over analyze and take my thoughts out of context. There is so much unexplored land that we still are finding with abandoned cities in etc. I.E. Mayan cities etc. unknown meanings of things left behi d by societies that disappeared. Also so much unknown of the ocean...Marianas Trench etc. Kurt Cobain - "nature is a whore" ... So true because all we do is destroy. Nuclear waste into our ocean from Japan's power plant that leaked after earthquake. Radiation has been detected in Guam since then. What I stated is simple and factual. We don't have good control of our environment here and there is so much that we don't know. I wish 2/3 of our population would go to Mars; maybe then we wouldn't have so much nonsense going on.

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T. James H to Justin ... 2012/08/19 08:29:30
ellencalvo 2012/08/14 16:34:31

Yes

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It really sounds like an interesting idea, but I would want to see how the first or second group do first.

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Luke 2012/08/14 16:19:22

Yes

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As long as I could bring my own supplies....

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Wortmore 2012/08/14 16:16:20

Yes

New Russia coming soon...

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Sage 2012/08/14 16:12:56 (edited)

No

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This will fail miserably. Even if the landing, living quarters and, the growing of food all happens perfectly with no hick-ups the people will still go stircrazy after a few short months with literally nothing fun to do. No TV. no video games, no sports, no swimming, no nothing. All you have to do is talk to one another and watch plants grow. Then god forbid they bring in some new people you really don't like because now you are stuck with them for the rest of your life. I give them about a year before they start literally killing one another.

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drdos1943 to Sage 2012/08/14 18:52:45

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Agreed. We humans cannot even get along on this planet. How can anyone expect us to get along in close quarters for even a short period of time?

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Crypt_H... to Sage 2012/08/14 19:18:17

Why no video games? O.o NASA do install computers on their shuttles...so I doubt there'd be any problem. Now getting the latest computer game might take a while...

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barby k... to Sage 2012/08/14 20:30:48

Lol' quite possible.

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Frank 2012/08/14 16:10:34

No

Why?

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john doe 2012/08/14 16:09:14

Yes

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Depends on the women they send with me.

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John Rafael 2012/08/14 15:43:57

Yes

yeah in a thousand years in the future..

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smitty 2012/08/14 15:38:00

No

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and my tax dollars better not be paying for it.

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john doe to smitty 2012/08/14 16:12:04

the fate of humanity and everything we have accomplished and will ever accomplish on earth depends on space travel. Would you rather we just keep spending it to blow each other to smithereens?

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smitty to john doe 2012/08/14 17:32:02

The fate of humanity does not depend on it. Come on..

Last time we blew someone to smithereens was the A-Bomb. The only that will blow us to smithereens is mother nature. We won't have a choice.

We haven't even explored the depths of our oceans. How about we move down there?

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Crypt_H... to smitty 2012/08/14 19:19:59

Yes, yes it does.

What happens to a star when it comes to the end of its life? Hmmmm? This is why the fate of humanity depends on space travel. Clocks ticking.

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