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Gay people should be treated with dignity and respect, but their sexual behavior is unnatural and morally illicit. In other words, hate the sin while loving the sinner. That's fair, isn't it?

JenSemPa 2012/06/18 03:51:30
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"They (homosexual persons) must be accepted with respect, compassion, and
sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should
be avoided" (Catholic Catechism, no. 2358) ...

... but ...

"
Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents
homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has
always declared that 'homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.' They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the
gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual
complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved" (Catholic Catechism, no. 2357).
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  • Joanie 2012/06/18 18:19:50
    No, that's wrong.
    Joanie
    +15
    Our sexual behavior is as beautiful, affirming, loving, and natural as heterosexual sexual behavior. Our sexual behavior is not "morally illicit" any more than heterosexual sexual behavior. So "hate the sin while loving the sinner" is nothing more than mental gymnastics for bigots who cannot admit to themselves their own bigotry.

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  • Chokmah 2012/06/26 20:47:25
    Yes, that's fair.
    Chokmah
    I feel the same way about alcoholics and drug addicts
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/06/26 16:14:39
    Undecided / Other
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Disagree because morality and normality are relative concepts. Agree with the overall idea, though.
  • ButterbeerMe 2012/06/22 00:12:52
    Undecided / Other
    ButterbeerMe
    +2
    It's not unnatural. Many species exhibit homosexual behavior.
  • DFA 2012/06/21 22:44:54
    No, that's wrong.
    DFA
    I don't care what your bible says. Keep your religion to yourself.
  • Odinsown 2012/06/21 20:44:53
    Yes, that's fair.
    Odinsown
    You have the right to feel anyway you want to believe anything you want, and to say anything you want. The rub is you do not have the right to limit the rights of anyone else based on your religious beliefs, as long as you do notwithhold the rights of homosexual individuals you can say anything you want.
  • Claise 2012/06/21 06:14:33
    No, that's wrong.
    Claise
    +1
    in general, that is not true. the normal sexual behavior of Gays is not more or less immoral than that of straights. and of course, some Gays, including myself, display more explicit or "immoral" sexual behavior than other, but the same holds for some str8s
  • psychobabe 2012/06/21 01:02:40
    No, that's wrong.
    psychobabe
    You cannot find a person you feel is an "abomination"...one whose sexuality is wrong...one who doesn't merit the same rights as heterosexuals....as one deserving of dignity and respect. Especially dignity. Oxymoron anyone?
    Dignity....dig·ni·ty
       [dig-ni-tee] Show IPA
    noun, plural dig·ni·ties.
    1.
    bearing, conduct, or speech indicative of self-respect or appreciation of the formality or gravity of an occasion or situation.
    2.
    nobility or elevation of character; worthiness: dignity of sentiments.
    3.
    elevated rank, office, station, etc.
    4.
    relative standing; rank.
    5.
    a sign or token of respect: an impertinent question unworthy of the dignity of an answer.
  • Der Haifisch 2012/06/20 21:54:54
    Undecided / Other
    Der Haifisch
    +1
    You're right about them being treated with respect, but I don't see anything unnatural about their acts.
  • JausiaBaltazar 2012/06/20 21:34:32
    No, that's wrong.
    JausiaBaltazar
    +1
    Haha I'm sorry but its their nature.. therefore its natural. I mean what makes it a sin. A sin could be having sex before marriage, but people except that. Also a lot of gays WANT to be married, but others seem to have a problem with lover's wanting to be together. So no one is telling you to have gay sex or live a gay life so don't tell anyone else to live your life style!
  • Anonymo... JausiaB... 2012/06/26 16:16:17
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    Are psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies natural then? People do them as well...
  • JausiaB... Anonymo... 2012/06/29 03:41:59
    JausiaBaltazar
    Yes its a different composure of the brain.. which is why those people get thrown into special jails.
  • Anonymo... JausiaB... 2012/06/29 10:10:47
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    So if it's natural, should we allow people with psychopathic tendencies out of the mental hospital? After all, it's a natural difference. And is it right, despite being natural?
  • JausiaB... Anonymo... 2013/02/21 04:00:39
    JausiaBaltazar
    Not all are in there.. Especially if they get help sooner. But gay people do not go around stabbing people and talking to voices in their heads.they are not dangerous just bcuz they love differently. People used to think interracial marriage was a sin.. And now its just a regular thing.
  • rascal 2012/06/20 21:14:31
    No, that's wrong.
    rascal
    +2
    I don't think anyone's sexual behavior is anyone's business. It really doesn't matter if your gay or straight what you do is your business. You should be free to make your own choice and not be judged.
  • Starman 2012/06/20 20:00:43
    No, that's wrong.
    Starman
    +1
    You do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on others.

    Beside that, isn't it hypocritical for you to choose to enforce some verses from your "Sacred Scripture" while ignoring others. Why don't you rail against the other "acts of grave depravity" in Leviticus? Women wearing pants, people with tattoos, graven images.. it goes on and on.

    You can choose to believe any of this nonsense you want, but you cannot force others to buy into your lunacy.
  • KarenInKenoshaWisconsin 2012/06/20 18:52:59
    No, that's wrong.
    KarenInKenoshaWisconsin
    +1
    My religion, while it has a fierce focus on ethics (including reciprocal ethics and the ethics of equality), has no scriptural or other prohibitions that proclaim homosexuality a sin. So that's not right in my religion, as much as it "is" (dogma alert) in yours.

    In my religion, bigotry is not an axis of morality. Quite the opposite, in fact.
  • Idiot repubs 2012/06/20 17:13:16
    Undecided / Other
    Idiot repubs
    +1
    I think the author should just come out of the closet already.
  • Kibbles 2012/06/20 16:10:40
    Undecided / Other
    Kibbles
    Well in all honesty I say its a step in the right direction, but when you look at your significant other how can you justify your love as right and a homosexual's as wrong without reverting to any religion.
  • LittleMistersMom 2012/06/20 14:57:04
    Undecided / Other
    LittleMistersMom
    +1
    I'm sorry, but my God taught me not to judge others, that they will some day reach their own Judgement Day. I don't hate anyone.

    Now that being said: Let's look at what you said... are homosexuals REALLY the only ones that have "Immoral sexual behavior"? I think not. I believe there are many people on this Earth with immoral sexual behavior. How about adulterers? That's more immoral to me than crazy sexual fetishes. Also: heterosexual child molesters. I would say that's worse than homosexuality; and how about heterosexual sodomy??? I know PLENTY of heteros who practice this.
    Beastiality is a pretty sick one too. I think that's worse. Sow how about you worry about what's going on in your own home instead of focusing on what's going on in everyone else's?

    How about:
    dominatrix
    That's pretty sick in my book
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  • Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET 2012/06/20 13:28:12
    Undecided / Other
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    +4
    Why should I care? Thank God, I am not catholic. Also not a paedophile. Catholic catechism means nothing to most people, so why would you use it?
  • JesusIs... Xerxes,... 2012/06/21 01:45:31
    JesusIsMyGod
    +1
    She is looking for an excuse to hate. :'(
  • Xerxes,... JesusIs... 2012/06/21 01:55:42
    Xerxes,Phantom of PHAET
    Bless you for your concern deeply appreciated. However I have dealt with her many times, her usual M.O. is to post a hateful thread then insult everyone, she is a very unhappy person.
  • Link 2012/06/20 13:13:21
    No, that's wrong.
    Link
    The Catholic (and many Christian faiths in general) have in their histories the fact that priests and other even higher ranking officials commonly and openly had their "favourite boys"... the Catholic (and probably other Christian churches) church has for many decades COVERED UP sexual abuse of boys (and I would not doubt, girls as well as nuns) to protect its image rather than taking action to protect the victims... In the history of Christianity, the churches performs same sex sex marriages the same way they performed heterosexual marriages and blessed same sex marriages no different than heterosexual marriages... this didn't change until the Puritans came around...

    So, in answer to the question, not only love the LGBTQ person, but do not denounce their lifestyle... people decided it was immoral... I have seen passages that people push that supposedly shows in the bible that same sex sex is wrong and immoral and a sin... but I don't read them that way... I don't believe them...
  • ehrhornp Link 2012/06/20 16:09:06
    ehrhornp
    I am not a bible expert but I think there are really only a few passages in the bible that speaks out against homosexuality. Leviticus and statements by Paul. The ten commandments doesn't mention homosexuality and Jesus never mentioned it. Leviticus also said not to eat shell fish and a host of other restrictions which many do without fear. So why the big thing against homosexuality? As for Romans, people love to point to Romans 1 which is against homosexuality but seem to ignore Romans 2 which is against judging others.
  • Link ehrhornp 2012/06/21 21:51:47
    Link
    The Bible in and of itself, can be very contradictory and hypocritical...
  • ehrhornp Link 2012/06/22 01:01:06
    ehrhornp
    So very true and as such is only one source for guidance.
  • JesusIsMyGod 2012/06/19 22:41:18
    Undecided / Other
    JesusIsMyGod
    It is not a sin to be tempted. Even Jesus was tempted. What matters is what you do about your temptations.
    http://www.biblegateway.com/p...
  • Singerar 2012/06/19 20:49:55
    No, that's wrong.
    Singerar
    Homosexual couples do nothing worse than a straight couple do now. Are you going to judge heterosexuals for different sex acts or fetishes? What's fair is we're all human.
  • elijahin24 2012/06/19 19:18:01
    Undecided / Other
    elijahin24
    I think it's sad that the RCC is so hung up on sex being tied to creating more little catholics. It's time that they recognize that the earth is overpopulated, and we really don't need to be making more people, especially in situations where they are not wanted. There is far more evidence that gay people are real, than there is that God is real. Maybe they should start accepting that.
    Don't get me wrong, this is miles better than their position of "burn baby burn", but it's still a long way from right.
  • Jaroslav Dantes 2012/06/19 17:32:34
    Undecided / Other
    Jaroslav Dantes
    Sexual addiction is to the hospital, I believe it works. I think only good.
    For not only say that it is a congenital deviation problem for you there are 2 support widespread street sexual content businesses, to stress that people greedy libido. The hospital is an exception for the improvement of the sense and the whole building with its own to change behavior. In the Czech Republic to work very professionally, and others to not shame.
    Because they know that it needs for life, and life is not just a slur from a bad habit.
  • Helmholtz 2012/06/19 06:42:55
    Yes, that's fair.
    Helmholtz
    That's exactly how I deal with conservative Christians.
  • Arianne 2012/06/19 05:10:11
    No, that's wrong.
    Arianne
    +1
    In the first place the so called "gay passages" are debatable. Is it really talking about homosexuality? Or is it talking about idolatry? Or maybe it was about rape? Was the term used mean "cultural taboo" in the same way in some cultures people have different traditions or is it a "moral taboo?" Basically there is no proper proof that can not be interpreted in another manner that says that being gay is immoral.

    And really they do know that the Catholic Church used to have this thing called "churching" where after a pregnancy the mother had to purify herself? Granted that was abolished a long time ago. Here's another one: there was a time there was a papal bull (AKA decree of the pope) which allowed people to pay for indulgances. That is to say pay us some money and we'll pray for your soul and the souls of your departed so they'll go to heaven. It was basically an afterlife insurance. Oh and they thought that a certain scientist was crazy and blasphemous to even suggest that the earth revolved around the sun.

    And its not just the Catholic Church either. After all there was a point in time where doctors legitly refused to give painkillers to women giving birth because ya know the pain of childbirth is their punishment for tempting Adam with the forbidden fruit.

    This isn'...
    In the first place the so called "gay passages" are debatable. Is it really talking about homosexuality? Or is it talking about idolatry? Or maybe it was about rape? Was the term used mean "cultural taboo" in the same way in some cultures people have different traditions or is it a "moral taboo?" Basically there is no proper proof that can not be interpreted in another manner that says that being gay is immoral.

    And really they do know that the Catholic Church used to have this thing called "churching" where after a pregnancy the mother had to purify herself? Granted that was abolished a long time ago. Here's another one: there was a time there was a papal bull (AKA decree of the pope) which allowed people to pay for indulgances. That is to say pay us some money and we'll pray for your soul and the souls of your departed so they'll go to heaven. It was basically an afterlife insurance. Oh and they thought that a certain scientist was crazy and blasphemous to even suggest that the earth revolved around the sun.

    And its not just the Catholic Church either. After all there was a point in time where doctors legitly refused to give painkillers to women giving birth because ya know the pain of childbirth is their punishment for tempting Adam with the forbidden fruit.

    This isn't an attack on Christianity, especially since I know a lot of Christians. Its just something to say that maybe instead of making snap judgements and interpretations people should think first.
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  • sjalan 2012/06/19 02:56:14
    No, that's wrong.
    sjalan
    +1
    Since it is a RELIGIOUS statement it can be made to apply WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE CHURCH.

    OUTSIDE the church, the Federal US Constitution and Ammendments RULE how we as citizen MUST treat one another. EVERY CITIZEN must be treated with respect, compassion, sensitivity, equality and under the civil laws of our Nation.
  • ehrhornp 2012/06/19 02:22:28
    No, that's wrong.
    ehrhornp
    How can something outside of the control of the individual be a sin? Like saying someone who is black is sinful. Just is wrong. Sin implies a choice. Sexual orientation generally is no choice. Its fixed.
  • Heptarch 2012/06/19 01:29:20
    No, that's wrong.
    Heptarch
    To homosexual people their behavior is just as moral as heterosexual behavior.
  • Rude&Reckless 2012/06/19 01:17:54
    Yes, that's fair.
    Rude&Reckless
    Yes, that's more or less the philosophy I live by. Even though I believe homosexuality is morally wrong, I still think gay people should have the same rights as any other social group. I never did understand why the GOP and the church especially are always trying to reinforce their *personal* morality with law.

    Disclaimer: That's not to say that your standard gay person is any more of a sinner than I am. I just sin in different capacities. I fully believe that if a gay person loves Jesus and truly seeks His will in their life, even if that doesn't necessarily change their lifestyle before they die, they will go to heaven.
  • boots 2012/06/19 00:42:25
    No, that's wrong.
    boots
    Gay people should have all the same rights as you or I.
    Their behavior is as natural as any straight persons behavior.
    Rights are given to everyone and should never be left up to a vote.
    End of story.
  • "SennaKoshiba" 2012/06/19 00:40:10
    No, that's wrong.
    "SennaKoshiba"
    +3
    Homosexual love is just as real and natural as heterosexual love. To say otherwise shows a certain amount of ignorance in regard to the subject.
  • JesusIs... "SennaK... 2012/06/21 01:46:42
    JesusIsMyGod
    +1
    Agreed. I am bisexual so either direction is natural to me.
  • "SennaK... JesusIs... 2012/06/23 14:43:28
    "SennaKoshiba"
    *High fives* :D
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