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Fundamentalist Christians ‘Beat’ daughter to death in the name of God

☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/05/26 01:40:07
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a fundamentalist Christian couple who killed their 7-year-old adopted daughter while practicing a violent form of discipline.

They reportedly beat their nine children regularly because they thought God wanted them to.

A California couple is behind bars after pleading guilty to torturing and murdering their seven-year-old adopted daughter.

According to CNN, Kevin and Elizabeth Schatz of Paradise, California beat seven-year-old Lydia Schatz to death because they believe “God” wanted them to. The couple beat Lydia for seven consecutive hours, with breaks for prayer, on the day she died. When police arrived at the Schatz residence, Lydia was still alive. An officer administered CPR, but it was too late.

The marathon torture session was allegedly sparked by the mispronunciation of a word during the Liberian-born child’s homeschool lesson.

“We have heard the phrase ‘death by a thousand lashes,” Butte County District Attorney Mike Ramsey told CNN. “That’s basically what this was.”

Lydia was beaten with, among other things, a 15″ plumbing supply tube, called a “biblical rod” by the Schatzes.

The Schatzes didn’t only beat little Lydia; all nine of their children were victims of regular torture. Eleven-year-old Zariah was beaten so severely that she almost died too; all eight surviving children were placed in foster homes when Kevin and Elizabeth were arrested.

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The couple was apparently heavily influenced by a Christian child-rearing book titled To Train Up a Child by Michael and Debi Pearl of Tennessee-based No Greater Joy Ministries.

Ramsey told CNN that there is “no doubt” the book influenced the Schatzes.

CNN interviewed the book’s authors at their Tennessee home. “If you spare the rod, you hate your child,” Michael Pearl explained, “but if you love him, you chasten him timely.” “God would not have commanded parents to use the rod if it were not good for the child,” the book states.

Kevin Schatz, who pleaded guilty to torture and murder, will face at least 22 years behind bars. His wife will be locked up for at least 12. At Kevin’s trial, 11-year-old Zariah courageously faced her tormenter and asked him: “Why did you adopt her (Lydia)? To kill her?
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  • Disko Pickle 2012/05/26 01:54:39
    they beat her to death with 1/4 plastic tubing (tubing was recommended by a T...
    Disko Pickle
    +23
    The police had no right to arrest this couple. It's a violation of their religious liberties. This story is more evidence of the anti-Christian bigotry in America.

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  • blissful ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/28 00:52:56
    blissful
    No comment..
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... classic 2012/05/27 23:53:01
  • Dr. John 2012/05/26 07:18:41
    *Facepalm*
    Dr. John
    One would think a pagan minister like yourself would have the intellect to realize that just because these parents claim their actions are "in the name of God" doesn't make it so. It doesn't follow logic!
    These people were apart from God, essentially PAGAN!! Anyone with the ability to reason knows that! Not to mention this is a "STRAW MAN" argument and again outside of logic. Why do you attempt to discredit with so much effort that which according to you does not exist? Do you behave this way regarding blue fire breathing, man eating ants as well?
  • Lady Wh... Dr. John 2012/05/26 11:02:42
    Lady Whitewolf
    +4
    WHAT in StarClan's mane are you meowing about??
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Lady Wh... 2012/05/26 13:01:33
  • classic ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/26 13:28:21
    classic
    +2
    Hey My Friend.. Check out this website..

    http://www.thebricktestament....
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... classic 2012/05/26 13:37:59
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    LOL LOL LOL LOL oh im Rolling I love Legos
  • unrelig... classic 2012/05/26 15:25:44
    unreligious
    +1
    Great website, thanks I needed a good laugh. Or a hundred good laughs.
  • Lady Wh... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/26 14:44:39
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    OK! thankies DAW!! **hug**
  • unrelig... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/26 15:13:48
    unreligious
    +1
    Yes it gets so tedious here them saying they were not real Christians. Apparently there have only been one or two real Christians and all the historical (and current) evil done in the name of Christianity was done by false Christians.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... unrelig... 2012/05/26 16:06:02
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    its ironic the people who act most like Christ
    are the Pagans , Buddhists and Atheists
  • unrelig... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/26 16:18:53
    unreligious
    I guess it's kind of hard for Christians to act like their mythological founder so they just figure he did it, I do not have to.
  • rose Dr. John 2012/05/26 11:11:56
    rose
    +1
    TRY READING THE BIBLE.. this is what the Bible says about beating children .

    The following quotations come from the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible:

    Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."
    Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."
    Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."
    Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."
    Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."
    Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

    An additional verse from the New Testament is occasionally cited as justification for physical punishment of children:

    Hebrews 12:6-7: "...the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father
  • Syl rose 2012/05/26 11:55:31
    Syl
    Ah now I understand! Those priests must have interpreted 'rod' a little bit different aye?
  • classic Syl 2012/05/26 13:36:11
    classic
    Did you know where the Rule of Thumb came from?? There used to be a law that a man could beat his wife but the rod he used could be no bigger than the diameter of his thumb... I know it is an old wives tale,, but nonetheless funny.....
  • Syl classic 2012/05/26 18:13:10
    Syl
    Yes a teacher told me that once.
  • classic rose 2012/05/26 13:32:37
    classic
    Dont Pick and Choose your scripture.. Why didnt you include this one??

    Deuteronomy 21:20

    They shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.
    21 Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear.
  • rose classic 2012/05/26 13:39:36
    rose
    Choose what ever scripture you choose to believe. Thats how the Bible works, Most people base their entire religious beliefs on a few scriptures and not the entire Bible. The Bible also says kill your mother & father of they are not Christians.
  • classic rose 2012/05/26 14:33:07 (edited)
    classic
    +1
    I dont believe anything the bible has to say... It was written by a bunch of opinionated self serving goatherders, who thought the earth was flat. If one takes litterally one scripture,, then all must be taken litterally,, If one is false, then all are suspect......
  • rose classic 2012/05/26 13:52:49
    rose
    DO NOT PICK AND CHOOSE YOUR SCRIPTURE. But we can not post the entire Bible now can we?? Disobeying Your Parents


    Colossians 3:20 ESV

    Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.


    Exodus 21:15 ESV

    “Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.


    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV

    “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


    1 Samuel 15:23 ESV

    For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and presumption is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has also rejected you from being king.
  • Magnilo... rose 2012/05/28 21:11:39
    Magniloquence
    Hey, this dude found a Bible - AND he can read!
    Pity he don't understand nuffink.
  • rose Magnilo... 2012/05/28 21:30:06
    rose
    Really ..Are you the dude found a Bible and don't understand nuffink?? I bet you are. Exodus 21:15 ESV

    “Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.

    THAT SEEMS VERY EASY TO UNDER STAND..
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... rose 2012/05/29 00:05:05
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    Old Testament Bible Laws were Written for the Hebrews
    New Testament bible Laws were written for the Christians
    Torah Laws are for the Jews
    Koran Laws are for the Muslims

    They do not apply to the Rest of the human Race
  • Magnilo... rose 2012/05/29 05:29:29
    Magniloquence
    Better not strike yer ma or yer pa then. Rather be safe than sorry.
    These days murder is allowed (by man's laws) so you needn't lose any sleep over it.
  • Bloodle... rose 2012/06/09 18:13:49 (edited)
    BloodlessVeins
    T.T I never, never want to beat my children! I see those little souls of light and I never ever want to harm them! (These aren't my kids, I'm only 19 so) children playing
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Dr. John 2012/05/26 13:02:31
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    You always say the same thing Oh they werent really Christian oh a real christian wouldnt do that no real Christian would do this

    you never want to accept responsiblity that You have nuts in Your religion
  • classic ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/26 13:43:43
    classic
    +1
    Yep! that is one of their typical dodges for the Evil committed by one of Them....
  • ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥ 2012/05/26 04:38:06
    *Facepalm*
    ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥
    +2
    Rod, back in those days, could have meant anything. But it did not mean a stick, or something used to beat children... People need to learn to read between the lines and not take the bible seriously, which it shouldn't be taken seriously anyways.. This story sickens me... I will NEVER do anything to harm my children..
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... ☽✪☾Godd... 2012/05/26 04:41:05
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    actually the Bible Describes what a Rod is

    "Proverbs 23:13-14..... show that the rod WAS for beating. The shepherd usually used a staff, not a rod, for rescuing, guiding, and creating a boundary for the sheep. The shepherd used the rod for beating (if not always sheep, then enemies of the sheep). Both are necessary in the life of sheep and both are necessary in our lives. Just like Psalm 23:4 says, 'your rod AND your staff, they comfort me'."

    "Concerning the word 'beating' (Hebrew naka, 'smite' in the King James language) ....There is a whole range of meaning for this Hebrew word (just as in English). The word is used to describe everything from whipping a donkey, to hitting a rock with a stick, to killing a man. The entire range involves unpleasant physical affliction, but not necessarily brutality."

    "There are people who see any physical affliction as brutality. I'm not of that camp and I think that is more the spirit of the age, than Biblical thinking. Even in the New Testament, God sees the discipline of parents as a worthy method which 'produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it' (Hebrews 12:7-11)."
  • 'Zedd ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/26 08:54:22 (edited)
  • ☽✪☾Godd... ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/27 05:56:00
    ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥
    There is other discipline, not just beating your kids.. Time out, take something away that's important to them. Parents need to realize this..
  • Mrkando 2012/05/26 03:34:32
    *Facepalm*
    Mrkando
    +1
    There comes a time in every persons life when common sense need be used rather than following some misguided book. This is clearly one of them. The person who wrote that book should also be held accountable for this abomination. Stupid is as stupid does and you can't get any dumber than to believe that torture is a good thing...especially for your own children.
  • peaches 2012/05/26 03:24:01
    *Facepalm*
    peaches
    +2
    It's completely disguisting when people try to justify their wrongdoings and violence on God. God who has only taught people peace and love... Makes me sick.
  • clasact 2012/05/26 03:03:59
    These people who beat their child to death believed they were following the w...
    clasact
    +2
    and some wonder why I dont belive in the fairy tale
  • Lady Wh... clasact 2012/05/26 09:30:34
  • Raymond Allamby 2012/05/26 02:53:33
  • Mel 2012/05/26 02:50:53
    I am always baffled by conservative Christian who think that spanking is bibl...
    Mel
    +2
    They should have gotten life in prison
  • classic Mel 2012/05/26 13:46:33
    classic
    +1
    The law is starting to wake up and convict those parents, that allow their children to die from withholding medical treatment, and trying to cure them with prayer... "Christian" Science..
  • Mel classic 2012/05/26 19:01:10
    Mel
    The penalties are not strong enough
  • Rob Williams 2012/05/26 02:49:21
    And fundies are screaming about gay couples adopting. Next time you hear one ...
    Rob Williams
    +3
    Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God...

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