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FAIR? MARRIED FATHER CHARGED FOR OFFERING GIRLS A RIDE HOME DURING IL SNOWSTORM

doofiegirl POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/20 12:40:52
It's Chicago in winter. There is a snowstorm. A man sees two girls walking. The girls have no protection from the weather. The man kindheartedly stops, and asks the girls if he can take them to where they are going. The girls say no, they are OK. The man drives away. Three days later, the man is charged with disorderly conduct. Has the world really fallen this far to where every offer of help is a crime? Should the man have just driven on, and left the girls in the storm and on foot? There is something terribly wrong when real concern is turned into a crime!
I unfortunately failed to see the trouble my good intention would cause, my sincere apologies to the two teenage girls, their parents and the local school involved, you however can rest assured that this was a huge misunderstanding and that the girls were at absolutely no risk whatsoever.
Do you think the police are right to file charges, after seeing the bigger picture? Or are they being too cautious?

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  • K-ZOOMI-----0 2012/03/20 13:29:13
    K-ZOOMI-----0
    +13
    My Mom taught me to be a gentleman.
    Imagine my shock as two college girls scream at me that I was an "old pervert" for holding the door open at McD's for them as I was leaving and they were entering.
    Sad day in America when your nice deed gets your accused.

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  • Sig Sauer P220 2012/03/22 05:44:36
    Sig Sauer P220
    +2
    World gone mad ...

    World gone mad
  • JanHopkins 2012/03/21 04:32:32
    JanHopkins
    +1
    So sorry you are experiencing this over the top allegation. I know how cold it gets in Chicago and what its like to walk in a snowstorm. I guess no good deed goes unpunished these days.
  • CREW grand 2012/03/20 23:14:49
    CREW grand
    Welcome to the America the paranoid, fear-mongering conservatives have created.
    I can imagine their response now:

    "If he were a non-Christian, we would know he was a perverted sicko trying to entice those girls into his car to do GOD knows what to them, but it says he's a Christian, so he was obviously just trying to do a good deed. Anyway, he shouldn't have stopped for those girls, because if they didn't have any protection from the weather, they're probably from a liberal family where the lazy bum parents are on welfare and don't provide the children with basic needs. They should get off their butts and go out and get jobs so they can buy those girls proper clothing without expecting handouts from the government or hardworking, taxpaying, patriotic citizens to take care of them!"

    Don
  • TuringsChild 2012/03/20 22:59:42
    TuringsChild
    +1
    You would think anyone who did NOT attempt to render aid during a snowstorm should be charged, not someone who was trying to help!
  • Doreen 2012/03/20 22:07:40
    Doreen
    +2
    I feel for this man. He was probably thinking about his own kids and that he would appreciate it if someone had offered a ride to them to help keep them safe.
  • ButterbeerMe 2012/03/20 20:55:22
    ButterbeerMe
    +3
    It's okay to be cautious, but charging anyone who does something nice out of the blue is ridiculous.
  • Izzy! 2012/03/20 19:28:15
    Izzy!
    +5
    Wow. I'm actually offended that the world could come to this. That the poor nice man he is, was punished for being nice. Just...WOW.
  • Caedus01 Sith Lord of the P... 2012/03/20 18:35:02
    Caedus01 Sith Lord of the PHAET
    +7
    Damned if you do Damned if you don't.... It's gotten to the point where people are afraid to help anyone anymore.. I dont want to live on this planet anymore
  • kcandi 2012/03/20 18:31:22
    kcandi
    +4
    Unfortunately, now days, no good deed goes unpunished. Sorry state of affairs we've let our world fall into.
  • Kat 2012/03/20 17:00:53
    Kat
    +4
    this world has gone crazy............
  • Harry 2012/03/20 16:06:41
    Harry
    +2
    The charges are a natural though unfortunate reaction to a world in which sex crimes abound. If we have all the facts here (which is a huge assumption), the situation is extremely unfair to the man providing the ride but understandable in light of the predator plague we see all around us.
  • WhereIs... Harry 2012/03/20 18:02:31 (edited)
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +6
    There is such a thing as overreaction. They said no, the guy drove away, what was the problem?

    I also don't think there is any predator "plague", they have always been around, it is just more in the public eye now (which is a good thing), but the media overblow it just like they overblow everything else.

    Hell, when I was a kid I could go out and play.
  • Harry WhereIs... 2012/03/20 18:21:00
    Harry
    +2
    I believe there is greater danger for children and women compared to earlier times. Sex-related crimes seem to be much more prevalent than when I was young. I suspect (but don't have the statistics to prove) it's more than just more media coverage. I too used to be able to go outside and play, and no one felt endangered, unlike today.
  • WhereIs... Harry 2012/03/20 18:27:41
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    You are a man, right? I was a kid in the 60s, and since a good 75% of women I know/have known were molested or somebody attempted to, so I think you are wrong. People just didn't talk so much about it back then. There was no Internet, no TV news talking about it, no shows about it, no sex offender registry. Kids were not always comfortable to talk to their parents or anybody else about it back then either, and if they did, they often weren't taken seriously.

    If anything, I think it is much harder to get away with it now.
  • Harry WhereIs... 2012/03/20 18:29:26
    Harry
    +2
    Well, you must have grown up in a far different place where I grew up.
  • WhereIs... Harry 2012/03/20 18:38:38 (edited)
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    No offence, but you are a man. Women talk about things like that amongst themselves, perhaps to close family or their husband. My experience was common all over America at the time. Just because something is ignored, does not mean it is not happening.

    Ignorance is sometimes bliss, not in that case.

    Even though I had molestation attempted against me and know many others who did or were actually molested, I do think the pendulum has swung WAY too far the other way.

    Freedom is a precious thing.
  • Harry WhereIs... 2012/03/21 13:44:34
    Harry
    +1
    I just know that where I grew up in the fifties and early sixties, in a city of 100,000 people, violent sex crimes were extremely rare as were murders and all kind of violent crime. One felt genunely safe playing outside or sending one's children to play outside.

    Is that because news of these crimes was hushed up? Perhaps cases of incest or other cases of sexual abuse within families were, but I doubt that violent sexual acts carried out in the open were kept from the public.

    I'm not saying you're wrong. You certainly know what happened to you or to people you knew. However, your experience is entirely different from mine.
  • WhereIs... Harry 2012/03/22 05:08:41
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    We played outside all the time as kids too. Not as safe as you think (the town I grew up in is a very nice town, upper middle class, nice families, not the kind of place you would expect that, but it happened). My friends grew up in nice areas too, the suburbs, the places that were supposed to be safe.

    I remember this one park we went to there was this man that would come and open up his coat and expose himself (this was to me and 3 friends). We went and told the Police (more than once). I don't know if they ever caught the guy.

    Anyway, back to molesters, in most cases, it is people you know who try it (don't take my word for it, look it up, that is a fact). In my case it was a neighbor, my Uncle and my Brother's friend. Told on all of them, of course back then you got a "good talking to", not charges pressed, my Mom read my uncle the riot act, my Brother threatened severe bodily harm to his friend if he tried to touch me again, I avoided the neighbor like the plague, it was hard to pin anything on him, but he was a predator (his actions were NOT normal) and I never let him get me alone (there were several times he tried to get me in his car and/or in his house, he had a beautiful wife and kids too, what sicko he was). I could not report him to the Police unless he actu...









    We played outside all the time as kids too. Not as safe as you think (the town I grew up in is a very nice town, upper middle class, nice families, not the kind of place you would expect that, but it happened). My friends grew up in nice areas too, the suburbs, the places that were supposed to be safe.

    I remember this one park we went to there was this man that would come and open up his coat and expose himself (this was to me and 3 friends). We went and told the Police (more than once). I don't know if they ever caught the guy.

    Anyway, back to molesters, in most cases, it is people you know who try it (don't take my word for it, look it up, that is a fact). In my case it was a neighbor, my Uncle and my Brother's friend. Told on all of them, of course back then you got a "good talking to", not charges pressed, my Mom read my uncle the riot act, my Brother threatened severe bodily harm to his friend if he tried to touch me again, I avoided the neighbor like the plague, it was hard to pin anything on him, but he was a predator (his actions were NOT normal) and I never let him get me alone (there were several times he tried to get me in his car and/or in his house, he had a beautiful wife and kids too, what sicko he was). I could not report him to the Police unless he actually tried something (just trying to get me in his car was not enough back then), and I was not about to let him try something. By the time the Neighbor happened, I was 13 so I knew enough to realize what he was up to, good thing for me, but I hope he did not get anybody else. I warned all my friends in the area about him.

    Other people I know, it is the same story, mostly people near to and/or trusted by the family or even family members. Look up some statistics on it, those are the people who usually do it, the ones who have easy access.

    Stranger abduction happens but is much more rare. I honestly think it happened just as much if not more back then, but there was not awareness of it like there is now. When my brother's friend tried to molest me, I was 8. I had no idea what sex even was, but I told my brother what he said and asked me to do, and he knew what it meant.

    Do some googling on the Internet, you will be surprised how many adults have come forward with stories like mine (worse than mine, I was lucky to have people to protect me).

    All of that said, the guy who tried to get me in his car actually stalked me. I think if somebody offers a ride in a snowstorm, you say no, they drive away and that is the end, they don't deserve to be charged. Even though that happened to me, I think the police doing that is crazy.

    I can think of a couple of times when my car broke down when I was younger, before cell phones, and strangers stopped and helped me (men both times). I hate to think people can't get help when they need it due to excessive paranoia.
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  • Harry WhereIs... 2012/03/22 15:55:55
    Harry
    +1
    When I googled statistics on forcible rapes, I came upon stats for three states, purely by random. After adjusting for population growth, I did the math.

    From 1962 to 2010, forcible rapes in Vermont increased by three and a half times.

    From 1962 ro 2010, forcible rapes in Oklahoma increased by over five times.

    From 1962 to 2010, forcible rapes in Hawaii increased by over ten times.

    Should I check out the other 47 states as well?
  • doofieg... Harry 2012/03/20 18:53:36 (edited)
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Me too. But, I was a few years earlier than both you and her
  • WhereIs... doofieg... 2012/03/22 05:14:48
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    There are so many of us, I googled on the Internet once about this, and there are so many adult women telling their molestation stories, it is really sad.
  • Muskoka Harry 2012/03/22 03:42:26 (edited)
    Muskoka
    +1
    I grow up in the 50'and 60's and I have exactly the same situation as Wherels. Many of my friends and school mates were also raped and molested and there were huge numbers of attempted abductions as well during that time.

    I lived in a small city of around 125,000. My grandmother was always warning me to stay away from strangers and not to talk to anyone I did not know.
  • WhereIs... Muskoka 2012/03/22 05:10:59
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    One of my friends hitchhiked, the guy seemed so normal till he pulled off the road into a park where there were no people around. Dragged her out of the car, slammed her head into a tree, brutally raped her, then drove away.
  • Muskoka WhereIs... 2012/03/23 02:06:50
    Muskoka
    There is no time in history where women have ever been safe.
  • Muskoka Harry 2012/03/22 03:40:32
    Muskoka
    +1
    There is not greater danger at all. What there is however is a lot of media hysteria.
  • WhereIs... Muskoka 2012/03/22 05:14:03
    WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    I agree, there is SO much more chance of getting caught now, it has to be a deterrent. There was no DNA back when we were young, no America's Most Wanted, no Missing Children's site, none of that stuff.

    I can tell you some of my friends told and were not believed. I am so thankful that did not happen in my case, that really sucks when your Parents are not there for you.

    Then again one of my friends was molested by her own Father.
  • doofieg... Muskoka 2012/03/22 08:43:23
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    I'm sorry. In cases like that, I side with the "hysteria". BUT it can be carri3ed too far----as in this case
  • Muskoka doofieg... 2012/03/23 02:08:33
    Muskoka
    There has never been any time in history where women have been safe. The hysteria of today is way out of hand and this is one case of it.
  • LittleMistersMom 2012/03/20 15:47:20
    LittleMistersMom
    +3
    Being nice has gone out the window. It really breaks my heart.
  • tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA 2012/03/20 15:28:39
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +4
    Doesn't pay to be nice any more.

    That's what this story tells me. How sad.
  • curly fries (: 2012/03/20 15:21:52
    curly fries (:
    +3
    Wow that is totally stupid. The story does seem a little sketchy but come on if he drove off, then it shouldn't be a problem.
  • BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/20 15:07:37
    BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +5
    PC madness again ,he and others would be accused of failing to offer help if they had been assualted or killed
  • Scott 2012/03/20 14:50:12
    Scott
    +7
    The world's gone mad, mad I tell you!
  • Bozette 2012/03/20 14:42:21
    Bozette
    +8
    If the man simply offered a ride and went on his way when it was refused, I fail to see where any crime took place or why apologies were necessary...and why to the school?
  • Zolfie™ 2012/03/20 14:33:17
    Zolfie™
    +2
    The phase, "Two sides to every story", comes to mind... and I have to think there is more to this story.

    Like he said something odd or questionable... because I think the police would normally let it go and not track him down unless their was something odd or questionable.

    Did the girls write down his plate? Or did the police go through the trouble of finding his car via cameras, or what? ... this just sounds like a strange story and I feel like their is more to the story.

    Also every now and then I ask people, walking if they need a ride... some say yes, some say no but I've never had a problem. Also sometimes a biker (when walking) trying to go up a steep hill, when I'm in a truck...
  • Seonag 2012/03/20 14:24:22
    Seonag
    +5
    Why 3 days later? Why not that same day? Or even the next day? Something doesn't sound right to me on this.
  • Zolfie™ Seonag 2012/03/20 14:37:51
    Zolfie™
    +2
    I agree... something doesn't sound right... I can't help but think their is more to this story...

    As for 3 days later... if the girls reported it and didn't get plate... the cops might of needed time to look for it via video tapes. Of traffic lights and/or video at the gas station. Or there could be another reason...
  • Teresa 2012/03/20 14:13:18 (edited)
    Teresa
    +2
    I don't think police are being TOO cautious. Better to be safe than sorry.

    I can see where he was trying to help. He didn't pursue it or insist that they get in the car. He just drove off.

    On the other hand, if I were one of those girls I'd be a bit disturbed by the whole offering of a ride.
  • Seonag Teresa 2012/03/20 14:22:41
    Seonag
    +3
    Don't you think it's sad that we have come to this point in our country where helping strangers or having a stranger offer help is 'disburbing?'
  • Jen Teresa 2012/03/20 14:59:03
    Jen
    +3
    Yeah. There's nothing more "disturbing" than an offer of help when you're out walking in weather that's not fit for man (excuse me, person) or beast.

    Would this have "disturbed" you so much if the driver who stopped were a woman?

    If your answer is no, then that means you're an anti-male sexist.

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