Evolution, creation and abiogenesis: an actual discussion.
Radical Ed
2012/07/04 06:32:07
OK, people may know that i am heavy into this field of debate and like discussing biology and most other areas of science. Although i do enjoy doing that on sodahead, it would become apparent that people would just sling insults at each other after a while without properly discussing the matter. So i thought it would be a good idea to set up this, a question asking for people to discuss these openly but without the pettiness of shouting matches.
Here are the rules:
1. As the name suggests, evolution, creation and abiogenesis are the topics of discussion. please do not go off topic and start attempting to harass or moan about a particular group i.e. atheists, Christians, pagans etc.
2. i will be a moderator and will not be discussing, no matter how much i want to. if a SH admin wants to do this then it would be appreciated.
3. Any action that is deemed insulting or rude, i don't care who it is, will be blocked for a period of an hour. A healthy discussion and opinions do not require people to fling accusations at one another, remember that. whether this violates the TOS then too bad, all i want is an honest discussion. if mods feel this is wrong then i can take myself elsewhere.
Here are the rules:
1. As the name suggests, evolution, creation and abiogenesis are the topics of discussion. please do not go off topic and start attempting to harass or moan about a particular group i.e. atheists, Christians, pagans etc.
2. i will be a moderator and will not be discussing, no matter how much i want to. if a SH admin wants to do this then it would be appreciated.
3. Any action that is deemed insulting or rude, i don't care who it is, will be blocked for a period of an hour. A healthy discussion and opinions do not require people to fling accusations at one another, remember that. whether this violates the TOS then too bad, all i want is an honest discussion. if mods feel this is wrong then i can take myself elsewhere.
Top Opinion
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elijahin24 2012/07/05 13:51:47evolution+10The proof of evolution is overwhelming. The proof of a god is nonexistent. I understand that some believe in evolution as guided by God, and that the Genisis Story, is alegorical. I can accept this idea as reasonable. I don't share it, but I respect it.






















As time wore on, the way the world was viewed changed. People started finding explanations for things which previously had been attributed to these "reasonable explanations" they'd been saddled with for thousands of years. The Earth wasn't flat after all, nor was it at the center of the universe, germs caused infections, not 'vapors", diseases could be prevented and some things even cured them. All of which could happen without any interference or influence from deities.
From the vastness of the cosmos a thousand years ago to sub-atomic interactions today, the places for "God" to hide have grown fewer and fewer as more and more of the way our universe works are revealed to minds more intent on proving their positions with facts than maintaining power over others with lies and myth. The answers to th...
As time wore on, the way the world was viewed changed. People started finding explanations for things which previously had been attributed to these "reasonable explanations" they'd been saddled with for thousands of years. The Earth wasn't flat after all, nor was it at the center of the universe, germs caused infections, not 'vapors", diseases could be prevented and some things even cured them. All of which could happen without any interference or influence from deities.
From the vastness of the cosmos a thousand years ago to sub-atomic interactions today, the places for "God" to hide have grown fewer and fewer as more and more of the way our universe works are revealed to minds more intent on proving their positions with facts than maintaining power over others with lies and myth. The answers to those burning questions are somewhat less than satisfying from a mystical point of view, but it provides us with some realistic perspective.
Where do we come from? We appear to have evolved from minuscule shrew-like semi-mammals over hundreds of millions of years.
Why are we here? See the first question's answer. We're here. If you're looking for direction, try helping mankind without hurting it. That tends to work better for everyone.
What happens when we die? Decomposition. If you're looking for continued consciousness, the odds aren't good for that. There is no factual evidence that humans possess a "soul". There is considerable evidence to suggest that most people can't emotionally deal with the thought of nonexistence and would rather make up more comforting, if completely inaccurate, rationalizations in order to face the inevitability of it.
The bright side is that those who believe in life after death won't be around at all to be disappointed by the likelihood that there isn't any. The problem, of course, is that so many people live to die that they have no qualms about killing or harassing others because of that life after death belief. If we treated each other with the certainty that this life is ALL WE GET, then we may actually be nicer to others because we know our religions are just a pile of mythical BS."
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013...
You seem to have a rather simplistic view of the subject....also which evolution is proven? Darwinian, Neo-Darwinian, Punctuated-Equilibrium or Panspermia?
He only has a following becasue he is so hateful in his rhetoric that strikes a note with those who despise Christianity.
Other than that I get a genuine kick out of some of his silliness...except we are dealing with life and death here. So it ain't so funny...
I used to believe in the myth of evolution until I studies it in detail in 1999 and was stunned by what it really is---circular reasoning--which isn't science...although the hostility of those who cling to it (refusing to even acknowledge there are those who legitimately disagree with them based on the SCIENCE) is somewhat weird.
Also, you beilieve in the LITERAL same thing as telling me that my car self assembled itself....so why should i take anything you say serious...seriously?
That "argument" breaks down immediately because there IS evidence. Plenty of it.
No. Evolution is true because we can observe it, we can measure it, and the theory fits the available facts.
" based on genetics-it is impossible for 2 chromosomes to fuse together"
No, it's not. There are numerous examples of chromosomal fusion and laboratory evidence as well.
http://www.americanscientist....
http://genome.cshlp.org/conte...
http://www.disabled-world.com...
http://pandasthumb.org/archiv...
"LITERAL same thing as telling me that my car self assembled itself."
Terrible analogy. Your car has no mechanism for self-assembly, your body does. In fact it did assemble itself from a single cell.
Evolution is the best explanation of diversity of life, while Abiogenesis is interesting indeed. In any case, telling someone to crawl back into the primordial soup and try again is a good insult.
What does it stand for? Abiogenesis without evolution!?!
People, plants, mushrooms all formed spontaneously without external inference!?!