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Doesn't it seem that old vinyl records sound better than MP3s?

Artist 2011/05/15 21:03:55
I just downloaded some of my old stuff to my computer from one of those pay-for-play sites. Really old music like from the late 70s and early 80's...yeah, I'm dating myself. So I finally get to sit back and let 'er rip and listen. Boy! Was I ever disappointed! Even with the scratches my records sound better than this! What happened? Did I get the wrong format (it's all MP3)? And why are some songs at different volumes?And what's the point of paying for music if I can't get the whole album?

Was the music better on Vinyl records?
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  • David850 2011/05/16 17:27:01
    David850
    +1
    Vinyl records are much better.
  • sick'n'tired 2011/05/15 23:21:02
    sick'n'tired
    +2
    YES,YES, and YES!!! Turntables, vinyl, and LARGE speakers have soul. NOT artificial cold sound.
  • Artist sick'n'... 2011/05/16 12:17:13
    Artist
    +1
    I think you nailed that, lol!
  • Mark 2011/05/15 23:04:28 (edited)
    Mark
    +4
    LP s' provide a wider sound , than even CDs' , because rather than light / computer symbols making the sound , the LP is a physical reproduction .
  • edifyguy 2011/05/15 22:49:17
    edifyguy
    +2
    Wow, most of the commentary on here is totally irrelevant and uninformed. The answer is yes; MP3 is lossy compression, so some of the sound is lost when you convert it to MP3. The fewer bits-per-second are used, the more sound must be thrown away to fit within the bit allotment. MP3 needs at least 256Kbps to be anywhere near high quality, but most sites sell downloads at 128Kbps, which results in a significant quality loss that is obvious and painful to a trained ear.

    Furthermore, the analog vinyl did not suffer from high-frequency clipping like digital recording does. A CD or standard MP3 can only capture frequencies up to 22KHz. DVD movie audio can capture up to 24KHz, and DVD-audio can capture up to 48KHz. Some will tell you that the human ear cannot perceive sounds above 16KHz, but this is only a half-truth. It is true that the human mind cannot recognize distinct sounds that high, but the higher harmonic overtones in music are still perceived at a subconscious level as part of the whole sound, and that is another way in which vinyl is superior to digital recording.

    One other insidious little trick is that while the MP3s are ripped such that they can theoretically capture sounds up to 22KHz, it is not uncommon to intentionally discard all frequencies above 16KHz to leave...
    Wow, most of the commentary on here is totally irrelevant and uninformed. The answer is yes; MP3 is lossy compression, so some of the sound is lost when you convert it to MP3. The fewer bits-per-second are used, the more sound must be thrown away to fit within the bit allotment. MP3 needs at least 256Kbps to be anywhere near high quality, but most sites sell downloads at 128Kbps, which results in a significant quality loss that is obvious and painful to a trained ear.

    Furthermore, the analog vinyl did not suffer from high-frequency clipping like digital recording does. A CD or standard MP3 can only capture frequencies up to 22KHz. DVD movie audio can capture up to 24KHz, and DVD-audio can capture up to 48KHz. Some will tell you that the human ear cannot perceive sounds above 16KHz, but this is only a half-truth. It is true that the human mind cannot recognize distinct sounds that high, but the higher harmonic overtones in music are still perceived at a subconscious level as part of the whole sound, and that is another way in which vinyl is superior to digital recording.

    One other insidious little trick is that while the MP3s are ripped such that they can theoretically capture sounds up to 22KHz, it is not uncommon to intentionally discard all frequencies above 16KHz to leave more bits available for the lower frequencies, using the logic I explained above. Oh the joys of living in a world full of people that can't hear frequencies higher than a 100Hz thump.....
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  • sick'n'... edifyguy 2011/05/15 23:24:15 (edited)
    sick'n'tired
    +2
    I don't really know what you said but I do agree that my albums sound better than any MP3 download
  • edifyguy sick'n'... 2011/05/15 23:28:09
    edifyguy
    +3
    I explained why vinyl was better from a scientific standpoint. I guess it was too technical for most. It makes sense to me......but I am a son of an engineer......
  • Artist edifyguy 2011/05/16 12:20:00
    Artist
    That was the best Greek I've ever heard, lol! Good explanation but a bit above my pay grade, still thanks...that gave a better reason than my just sayn' it was so!
  • momma-on-the-hit-list 2011/05/15 22:35:33
    momma-on-the-hit-list
    +2
    I love them, the sounds of coughing and back ground voices could always be heard, made for the bast albums, the instruments sound real also.
  • Artist momma-o... 2011/05/16 12:21:13
    Artist
    +1
    It just seems like you can 'taste' the music coming from vinyl whereas MP3 sounds like a neighbor with his stereo up too loud.
  • momma-o... Artist 2011/05/16 12:31:53
    momma-on-the-hit-list
    +1
    Very good description, that is it, the full taste. Great one Artist.
  • wtxwoman 2011/05/15 21:58:27
    wtxwoman
    +3
    70s and 80s is really old stuff to you, huh? Darling, you are a baby yet. I remember when they had the 78s that were almost 1/2 " thick. We used them for skeet to target practice. You played them on a hand cranked Victrola. I think they were from the 40s.
  • Artist wtxwoman 2011/05/16 12:21:54
    Artist
    Yeah, I remember those too...grandpa had a few, lol!
  • -Echo- 2011/05/15 21:50:41
    -Echo-
    +1
    records are there they come in value mp3 can always be deleted.
  • busyboots 2011/05/15 21:46:16
    busyboots
    +2
    The last time I played a vinyl record, I couldn't believe how bad it sounded, compared to CD's
  • Dagon 2011/05/15 21:34:50
  • Artist Dagon 2011/05/15 21:35:33
    Artist
    +2
    Any problems finding needles?
  • Dagon Artist 2011/05/15 21:42:23
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2011/05/15 21:27:18
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +5
    Vinyl records weren't better, but the music was light years better than current music.
    Even Broadway has more revivals than original scores.
  • Artist No nons... 2011/05/15 21:30:06
    Artist
    +5
    I'll agree with you about the Broadway revivals but I still think my records sound much better, more depth than MP3s.
  • No nons... Artist 2011/05/15 21:36:11
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +2
    I didn't think so. I put some of my vinyls on CDs and they aren't as full as recordings of today.
  • damnyou... No nons... 2011/05/15 21:49:53
    damnyoumaggot
    +5
    Actually that is an ongoing debate. Both analog and digital recordings have their pro and cons. A lot of it has to do with the displacement of air, that is caught during recording. But if one listens to Pink Floyds' Dark Side Of The Moon on vinyl, followed by listening to it on a digital format, the differences are obvious. The vinyl is fuller and more representative of "true" sound...
  • No nons... damnyou... 2011/05/15 21:53:27
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +3
    Interesting.
  • Artist damnyou... 2011/05/16 12:25:11
    Artist
    +1
    Yeah, I think you can 'feel' or even 'taste' the sound coming from vinyl rather than from an MP3. But doesn't that beg the question of the quality of the sound system you're using. That may need addressing here...I may need an upgrade.
  • damnyou... Artist 2011/05/16 20:45:32
    damnyoumaggot
    +1
    I'm a big fan of everything Sony.....
  • Artist damnyou... 2011/05/16 22:27:29
    Artist
    +1
    Quality...need I say more?
  • damnyoumaggot 2011/05/15 21:26:29
    damnyoumaggot
    +4
    It's true. Vinyl is probably the best, most accurate representation of recorded sound. When music is formatted digitally it is compressed and the "true" sound is distorted.

    I would guesstimate our vinyl collection, to be around 900....and growing . Not only does vinyl sound better, it's easier to find older albums on vinyl than on cd. About 10% of the world's music catalog is on cd. But vinyl...is a different market altogether....
  • Artist damnyou... 2011/05/15 21:31:48
    Artist
    +2
    That's good to know! Didn't think about the quantity on CDs...that might explain why some of the albums I looked at didn't have all the music on them the original records I own do.
  • sglmom 2011/05/15 21:21:23
    sglmom
    +3
    Actually .. I did find (about a year ago now?) a Record Player that does directly connect to the Computer where you can play the records and it will /rip/ the tracks down to the media player ..

    (I believe mine is a Sony) .. it was quite easy to set up and I started pulling some of my old records (including classical music) to do this with)

    (I don't use the sites .. I've just been downloading from the CDs I've purchased and/or the records).
  • Artist sglmom 2011/05/15 21:27:28
    Artist
    +3
    Yeah, I think I saw one of those...certainly what I need!
    The CDs I've ripped sound better than these downloads...go figure!
  • sglmom Artist 2011/05/15 21:31:56
    sglmom
    +3
    I've heard that same complaint (the downloads are bad) from others (like my nephews/niece .. ) .. I told them to use the CDs they own and do the rips from there.

    My device did quite well indeed in ripping off the records ..
  • Artist sglmom 2011/05/15 21:33:09
    Artist
    +3
    Gotta have one!
  • damnyou... sglmom 2011/05/15 21:33:08
    damnyoumaggot
    +3
    I need one of those that will rip cassettes as well....
  • Artist damnyou... 2011/05/15 21:34:52
    Artist
    +2
    I've not seen one of those.
    But I did see a device that would transfer old color and B&W slides to computer with correcting software. My dads travels in Europe need to be saved!
  • sglmom Artist 2011/05/15 21:41:02
    sglmom
    +4
    I DO have a Device that is able to scan the 35mm format Slides and Negatives into digital format .. it is how I've been able to transfer my more fragile slides/negatives (from decades ago) into a safe save mode.

    (actually -- quite vibrant overall (the scanned images) .. the Digital SLRs are not quite the same level yet (very close though) to the film (I have Canon SLRs .. in both Film/Digital) .. so I still have a mix of film/digital when I go out and about)
  • momma-o... sglmom 2011/05/15 22:41:02
    momma-on-the-hit-list
    +2
    Ok sglmom, you officially suck now, lol My dad had all that old stuff and my family took it all and it rots in garages and barns just so I could not have them when no one wanted them in the first place, uuuugggg.
  • sglmom momma-o... 2011/05/15 22:46:53
    sglmom
    +2
    You know what .. There's members of my family as well that would just toss this stuff all away .. (it is true .. that is why I saved it and scanned it all in)

    .. this is HISTORY .. and for me .. has plenty of meaning (no matter if the person was nice or just plain obnoxious/mean).

    (That is so sad that folks would be THAT vindictive (to take it because they didn't want someone else having it) .. just a terrible thing overall).
  • momma-o... sglmom 2011/05/16 01:04:34
    momma-on-the-hit-list
    +2
    You know my family???? lol I agree totally I have been hurt very badly by family kids too but you know they really don't know better, they are wounded people, so I still love them and wish I had the "history" My kids love the stories to go along with the faces.
  • sglmom momma-o... 2011/05/16 01:37:16
    sglmom
    +3
    I am sure we ALL Have family like that (Sigh .. I do too) ..

    We can still love them as family .. but that doesn't mean we accept the behaviors or choices ..
  • damnyou... Artist 2012/08/13 21:47:37
    damnyoumaggot
    +1
    I have one now that lets me copy cassettes and vinyl onto cd. From there I can download to my PC and upload to the web...tech is great..

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