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Does your child have Pathological Demand Avoidance Syndrome?

~ The Rebel ~ 2011/12/18 13:22:07
New condition 'makes children unable to cope with ANY demand'



All parents will
be familiar with the frustration of trying to pacify a disobedient toddler from
time to time.


However, doctors
have discovered some children have a condition which means they are unable to
cope with any sort of demand.


Little is know
about Pathological Demand Avoidance Syndrome (PDA) at present, but experts
believe the reported numbers of sufferers is just the tip of the iceberg, in a
report by The Times.

'There are so many
children out there with PDA who are not getting the right help,' says
psychologist Phil Christie, Director of Children's Services at the Elizabeth
Newson Centre, where the condition was first defined.

'It is severely
under-diagnosed. We know that around one in 100 children is on the autistic
spectrum, but we don't know yet how many of them have PDA. It is a small but
significant proportion.'

What might be
considered plain naughtiness by most parents, children with PDA essentially have
an in-built need to be in control and to avoid other people's demands and
expectations, which raises their anxiety levels to an extreme extent.

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  • Ettina Kitten 2012/02/02 00:27:28
    Ettina Kitten
    To all the people who're thinking PDA is just another word for 'spoiled' and firmer discipline will solve this problem:

    I have PDD NOS (atypical autism) and suspected PDA. And let me tell you, the firmer discipline option *has* been tried on me, and it failed. Throughout Kindergarten to grade 4, I attended a school that believed with enough punishment they could make me a normal child. Instead, my demand avoidance, anxiety and mood problems only intensified while I attended that school. (My second and third schools tried completely ignoring the issue, which wasn't effective either.)

    It was only when my parents started unschooling me (a form of homeschooling where the parents support the child's own efforts to learn instead of trying to directly teach the child) that I started getting better. My learning blossomed, my behavior improved, and my tolerance for demands *increased*. Now I'm attending university, which involves a level of demands that would have been impossible for me to tolerate before homeschooling. I still have issues at times, but I'm several years into a psych undergraduate degree, with marks in the 70s and 80s.

    The reason why PDA needs to be identified is that the standard solution of firmer discipline *does not* work on these kids. The more demands you plac...
    To all the people who're thinking PDA is just another word for 'spoiled' and firmer discipline will solve this problem:

    I have PDD NOS (atypical autism) and suspected PDA. And let me tell you, the firmer discipline option *has* been tried on me, and it failed. Throughout Kindergarten to grade 4, I attended a school that believed with enough punishment they could make me a normal child. Instead, my demand avoidance, anxiety and mood problems only intensified while I attended that school. (My second and third schools tried completely ignoring the issue, which wasn't effective either.)

    It was only when my parents started unschooling me (a form of homeschooling where the parents support the child's own efforts to learn instead of trying to directly teach the child) that I started getting better. My learning blossomed, my behavior improved, and my tolerance for demands *increased*. Now I'm attending university, which involves a level of demands that would have been impossible for me to tolerate before homeschooling. I still have issues at times, but I'm several years into a psych undergraduate degree, with marks in the 70s and 80s.

    The reason why PDA needs to be identified is that the standard solution of firmer discipline *does not* work on these kids. The more demands you place on them, the worse they get. This isn't just a temporary resistance to change thing either - several *years* of consistent discipline for PDA-related behavior problems only makes them steadily worse and worse. These kids react totally differently to discipline than most kids do, and they need a very different kind of handling.
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  • ~ The R... Ettina ... 2012/02/02 00:55:05
    ~ The Rebel ~
    Congratulations on your recovery!
  • Sheila 2012/01/25 20:44:26
    Sheila
    +1
    OMG.....another made up syndrome to cover "spoiled"???? Ridiculous.
  • Stacey 2012/01/25 19:32:59
    Stacey
    +3
    It is a form of Autism. Do you think hitting a child with Autism helps them overcome their anxiety attacks? My son has been diagnosed with classic Autism, but is now being investigated for PDA. The demand avoidance isn't as clean cut as the child saying 'NO'. He flaps his hands, has poor gross motor control, bangs his head against the walls when there is too much going on for him to process....the list goes on. This isn't 'another' label, this is to further define a type of Autism. I suppose it sounds ridiculous when you read the list of traits, but my son is already severely disabled, this just further defines an existing condition.
  • ~ The R... Stacey 2012/01/25 19:46:08
    ~ The Rebel ~
    +1
    Then why give it a new label?
  • Stacey ~ The R... 2012/01/26 23:06:31
    Stacey
    +3
    Because there are different treatments that are more suited to PDA than to classic Autism. That is like asking why do we have different names for different types of cancer/disease. They are fundamentally different, and medication/treatment has to reflect it.
  • ~ The R... Stacey 2012/01/26 23:35:48
    ~ The Rebel ~
    +1
    Can you guarantee this will only be applied to autism? Or, is it in fact just another loophole to throw kids into?
  • Bill 2011/12/24 04:52:18
    Bill
    +2
    Oh Puleeeese! Get the the little bastards attention, with a good crack on the ass, and MAKE them do what ever it is they MUST do !
  • sglmom 2011/12/24 04:04:57
    sglmom
    +2
    SIGH ..

    Every time I hear another new /theory/ .. another new /label/ .. another new /term/ ..
    I think .. my goodness .. is this for real?

    whatever happened to actually telling your CHILD .. the word NO! (and meaning it .. seriously .. NO you can NOT go there .. NO you can not have a treat .. NO Sugar for you .. NO Temper Tantrum won't get that e-toy .. etc)

    Time to put the responsibility back where it belongs .. with the PARENTS .. and letting them be PARENTS! When I was growing up .. we'd not even THINK of being disrespectful because we knew that punishment would be quickly following (that spanking or switch would do wonders to deter bad attitude problems .. and we definitely had our manners learned!)
  • VioletYoshi 2011/12/20 06:37:46
    VioletYoshi
    +2
    Is this for real?
  • JanHopkins 2011/12/19 08:30:48
    JanHopkins
    +3
    OMG! Now we must spend billions to research this. We have to start a PDA support group. We have to include them in employment rights. Somebody please send out some tear jerking video of these handicapped children and develope a new charity. This sounds like a real money maker to me. For as little as $1.00 a day you can see that these poor children have the support and care they so desperately need. Send money now.
  • Stacey JanHopkins 2012/01/25 19:40:07
    Stacey
    +1
    PDA is a form of AUTISM. Shame on you. My son is severely disabled, and has Autism/PDA. A video of my son probably would reduce you to tears. They are already included in employment rights; thats what the disability discrimination act is all about. The research has already been done. This has been a Autistic 'subset' since 1988.
  • Sheila Stacey 2012/01/25 20:47:54 (edited)
    Sheila
    +2
    And no one is calling out you or your son by name. But face it we seem to make up things to cover not disciplining our children. You know if that is you or not. I do NOT claim it is.

    What we are reacting to is the new "excuse" provided. NOT trying to further dishearten a child with a disability or his/her parents. We ALL know someone who uses things like this as a blanket excuse for bad behavior in a otherwise healthy child.
  • Stacey Sheila 2012/01/26 23:20:34
    Stacey
    +3
    PDA is not a standalone diagnosis. These are not children that simply 'refuse' to obey parents/adults etc. I think that the condition has been badly reported, reading the article I admit the condition sounds ludicrous. As I said before, the condition was first identified in 1988. It is not a new 'fad' to help parents disguise or deny their ability (or inability!) as parents. I am disappointed that people have voiced opinions after reading one biased and ambiguous article. The article barely touched the surface of the condition, and nowhere states that the child must also fulfill criteria to diagnose Autism before PDA can be a possibility. Discipline is not an issue with my son. He has limited mobility, even less verbal communication and will never achieve independence. The reason this condition was 'never heard of when we were kid's' is that people were routinely institutionalised. I
  • Sheila Stacey 2012/01/27 20:31:18 (edited)
    Sheila
    +1
    Bless your heart. I can not imagine the anguish of having a child with autism. I am in NO WAY trying to belittle anyone with a condition like that. I have a friend with an autistic child and I thank God every day mine aren't.

    It is great that we live in a day and age that these children are at least sort of understood,and no longer routinely locked up be it in an institution or an attic which was also pretty common.

    I am glad to see that you understand that with the story as is it seems a bit......off?....for lack of a better word.
  • Sheila JanHopkins 2012/01/25 20:46:42
    Sheila
    +1
    LOL, is it too late for me to sign up??
  • Chloey Hamer 2011/12/19 00:52:00 (edited)
    Chloey Hamer
    +5
    OH! REALLY?! here in Canada we call that "being a spoiled brat".

    I just knew there would eventually be a name for it in a world that needs to label every odd behavior as a disorder.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2011/12/18 21:12:15
    Lady Whitewolf
    +5
    A good whack to the backside tends to help.
  • Jdogg 2011/12/18 20:43:51 (edited)
    Jdogg
    +2
    I'm glad I don't have children
  • Bill 2011/12/18 19:48:57 (edited)
  • Walt 2011/12/18 19:20:41
    Walt
    +3
    What's really going on is there are a lot of bad parents out there who don't spend time teaching their kids. Maybe someone should come up with a psychological diagnosis for bad parenting and develop a pill to straighten them out.
  • Stacey Walt 2012/01/25 19:44:09
    Stacey
    +3
    This isn't a stand alone diagnosis. The child has Autism AND PDA. The children with this syndrome already have complex medical needs. It is nothing to do with poor parenting - and there is no cure - no pill etc.
  • Ettina ... Walt 2012/02/02 12:39:16 (edited)
    Ettina Kitten
    +1
    There are diagnoses for bad parenting, of several different kinds. You may be interested in reading about the authoritarian-authoritative-p... typology of parents (authoritative is the healthy option, high in warmth and discipline, while authoritarian is 'drill sergeant' parents who don't show their love, and permissive is parents who are loving but have no backbone). Psychologists are aware of 'spoiled' children, and PDA is something different.
    (For some reason it keeps turning 'permissive' into 'p...')
  • Walt Ettina ... 2012/02/02 17:36:54
    Walt
    +1
    Thank you! This is very interesting; something I was unaware of. I will be sure to find more information on the subject.
  • ♌βļąƈʞƦơșƐ3033♌ 2011/12/18 15:25:39
    ♌βļąƈʞƦơșƐ3033♌
    +3
    My sisters both have this then.
  • not u 2011/12/18 15:18:25
    not u
    +5
    Sounds like a good reason to produce another pill... Oh yes and be given billions to do it....
  • Bart 2011/12/18 14:36:55
    Bart
    +5
    Children should be spanked when they don't do something you asked them
    They will do it if they had a disease it will be gone after some spanking
  • Lady Wh... Bart 2011/12/18 21:12:44
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    agreed
  • The River Rat 2011/12/18 13:53:12
    The River Rat
    +7
    Make up any diagnosis to excuse bad behavior and be able to collect from the health insurance company.
  • TerroRi... The Riv... 2011/12/18 14:45:12
    TerroRising~PWCM~JLA
    +6
    Or medicate them to stupidity/compliance. Not much different than the over use of the blanket "depression" nondiagnosis.
  • The Riv... TerroRi... 2011/12/18 14:51:26 (edited)
    The River Rat
    +4
    I know. I have one that is autistic and has ADHD. He is no longer on any meds. My daughter has an IQ differential problem(verbal IQ 3 SD above her non-verbal IQ) and has ADHD and JRA. She still takes some kind of meds still.
  • Wahvlvke 2011/12/18 13:43:29
    Wahvlvke
    +5
    Sounds like we have a new invented disease to justify libertard poor parenting.
  • Irish 2011/12/18 13:31:51
    Irish
    +1
    I do believe it's called a reverse psychology attempt.
  • ~ The Rebel ~ 2011/12/18 13:23:56
    ~ The Rebel ~
    +7
    I dunno... When I was a kid a good swat to the butt would get my attention real quick!
  • Lady Wh... ~ The R... 2011/12/18 21:13:14
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    hear ya!

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