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moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust" 2009/03/10 00:02:28
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Today someone blocked me saying I was a violent person for my beliefs. I would like to defend my stance.

Legally a father has no say in whether a woman aborts his child or not. I have three daughters who I would defend with my life. If someone were to try to hurt them I would do anything it took to protect them. Because they are already born, most people would not condemn me for that. My position is that, why should I then be condemned for being willing to protect a child of mine that hasn't been born? Do you really consider me to be wrong for being willing to protect my child? I didn't say I would harm a woman for having an abortion while carrying someone else's child. I said I would harm her for killing my child and I'm not ashamed of that. As an American citizen, I have a right to defend myself. Also, I have a right to defend my loved ones. I didn't love my daughters any more the day after they were born, than I did the day before they were born. They are all grown now, but it someone were to try and rape them or kill them, I would defend them with my life. Does that make me an extremist? Does that make me a bad person? I would do the same for either of them. Should I find myself about to become a father again, would it be wrong for me to love this new child as much as I do the ones I already have?

I'm not a hate filled person who goes around hurting other people for no reason. I would only hurt someone who tried to hurt me or mine. As far as the mother of my children, I would protect her from harm as well, even though we are no longer together. But, if she or anyone else, were to try to harm my girls, I would do whatever it took to defend them. If you find it in your heart to hate me for that, then that is your prerogative.

And it's interesting that the abortion industry is against educating a woman concerning what an abortion is and what it's actually about. They have fought every measure to do so very emphatically. Many are even fighting a doctor's right to not preform an abortion if it's against his ethics. Yes, women have been victimized greatly by society, but let's not try to rectify that by victimizing yet another minority group. Infants can't stand up for themselves either literally or otherwise.

No one need ever be afraid of me unless they try to physically harm me or my family.
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  • FLBabe 2009/03/10 00:42:48
    no
    FLBabe
    +15
    It makes you an awesome Dad!! The person who blocked you was probably an "War is Murder" asshat, who is so brainwashed that they wouldn't come in out of the rain, unless told. I agree with your stance and think you're a great guy!

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  • LPisLIFE 2009/03/10 19:57:56
    None of the above
    LPisLIFE
    +4
    so i just learned an important lesson. READ THINGS....i skimmed through your overwhelming description and apparently missed the part where you said that you would harm the mother if she had an abortion. i'm sorry, but that has nothing to do with you. i think you should suck it up, because it's not your decision what goes on in the woman's body. you put the seed in there, you're done....i wish i could delete my answer....haven't figured it out yet and frankly, im tired of caring about this stuff. >.<
  • J LPisLIFE 2009/03/10 21:06:29
    J
    You should tell that to all the women of the world seeking child support payments.
  • LPisLIFE J 2009/03/12 00:33:44
    LPisLIFE
    lol im making my way around....i've informed let's see...hmm nobody..? haha yeah....
  • moorrbr... LPisLIFE 2009/03/10 23:30:03
    moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust"
    Under your avatar, there are the options to "delete" or "edit" an answer or comment.
  • LPisLIFE moorrbr... 2009/03/12 00:33:05
    LPisLIFE
    uh yeah i saw that. but u cant change ur answer. u can only change ur comment. :)
  • Maj. C. D. Hardy 2009/03/10 19:53:59
    Undecided
    Maj. C. D. Hardy
    +1
    I think you may have a slightly extreme view of how to handle someone aborting your child. I hate to say it but the choice is not yours. Under the law as a father we have no rights at all when it is concerned with an unborn child.
  • HairlessKat the Gnostic 2009/03/10 19:28:58 (edited)
    yes
    HairlessKat the Gnostic
    +4
    to me it does make you a violent person to feel doing harm to a woman for wanting or having an abortion.. and heres why.... example..

    if your WIFE was raped by anouther man and became pregnant with his child,, and the police caught him before you had a chance to kill him which it sounds like you would otherwise,,, but then would you kill her if without considering YOUR male feelings on HER bodily rights to have or not have that rapists child... she decided she didnt want to carry the seed of an act of horrible violence?

    If its YOUR child .. okay.. but how do you feel if its a child who is the result of volence done to a loved one like your wife or daughters? How is it okay to kill a living person but not one that is not capable of living yet simply because its a potential life?

    I think your trying to make a subject which is not black and white ,, black and white... it simply isnt..... I am glad to see your trying to consider other view points as valid though by asking this question.
  • OttoDog 2009/03/10 19:26:32 (edited)
    None of the above
    OttoDog
    +3
    No, but your excessive focus on this hypothetical issue means you might seek help or meds. excessive focus hypothetical issue seek meds
  • Albedo 9.0 OttoDog 2009/03/10 21:11:26
    Albedo 9.0
    How appropriate and funny!
  • moorrbr... OttoDog 2009/03/10 23:31:36
    moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust"
    I just took a BC.
  • OttoDog moorrbr... 2009/03/10 23:51:49
    OttoDog
    Looking at your avatar, there IS a slight resemblence....
  • moorrbr... OttoDog 2009/03/11 23:07:26
    moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust"
    I think you're right.
  • Baebe gurl <3 Jeffro 2009/03/10 19:18:36
    no
    Baebe gurl <3 Jeffro
    +2
    i dont think you are violent i would do the same for my kids in split second no doubt in my mind... and as for the abortion thing i went through that when i was 16 i killed my baby and i have never forgot or forgiven myself for it.. the father forgives me but says he will never let it happen again and i would never do it again i was a baby having a baby and my relationship was going down hill so i gave up and i will never forgive myself for that.
  • moorrbr... Baebe g... 2009/03/10 19:56:13
    moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust"
    My heart goes out to you. I believe that the baby is not the only victim of abortion. In this case you were too.
  • Baebe g... moorrbr... 2009/03/10 20:49:11
    Baebe gurl <3 Jeffro
    +1
    thank you its hard i dont see how people do it i never stop thinking of who my baby would of been or what they could of become ...
  • Chelsea moorrbr... 2009/03/11 16:01:52
    Chelsea
    +1
    I agree wholeheartedly.
  • Chelsea Baebe g... 2009/03/11 16:00:49
    Chelsea
    +1
    Wow, that is a heavy burden to carry for the rest of your life! You were 16 years old, you were just a child. As we grow, we gain wisdom from our experiences, to forgive yourself is to open yourself up to another experience, one that is life affirming.
  • A 2009/03/10 19:14:24
    yes
    A
    +5
    Yes, I'm afraid you are a violent person. Abortion is legal. If you harmed a woman who had an abortion, that makes you a violent person.

    I'd defend my daughter to the death too, but I'd also defend her right to have a legal abortion.
  • rabid repubilican 2009/03/10 19:09:01
    Undecided
    rabid repubilican
    +1
    would you take sole responsibility for the baby so the mother could go on with her life and not be liable for the baby? Would you be able to continue life as you do and still give a baby all it would need? See to me there are just way too many unanswered questions..As for protecting you and your own.. no I don't disagree with you.....I would rather a rapest of my child to be free where I could get to him rather than be proteced behind bars where I could not end his sorry life....
  • moorrbr... rabid r... 2009/03/10 19:57:34
    moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust"
    +1
    Yes, I would take the child and do for it all I could. And that is always better than killing it. Always.
  • rabid r... moorrbr... 2009/03/10 21:53:58
    rabid repubilican
    +1
    yes there should be more men like you
  • Chelsea moorrbr... 2009/03/11 16:14:28
    Chelsea
    +1
    It would have been nice if you had of shared this at the beginning of your post that you are loving enough to take the child and raise it rather than abandon the mother and child. There are so many women who are left to raise their children alone. For the fathers it is always about child support. They don't want to pay their ex-wives child support, they want to tell them what to do with the money or better yet they let their new wives control the money where they don't have to deal with any of it. I think the underlying issue is about control. They have unresolved and conflicting feelings, they don't want to be with the mothers anymore for whatever reason, they found a newer, younger, prettier version and don't want the old one anymore, so they just trade in the first family for the newer one, never looking back at the tremendous void and huge negative impact their abandonment created in the lives of their "daddy's little girls".
  • David 2009/03/10 19:03:35
    None of the above
    David
    +4
    You ask too many questions inside your comment. By saying that you would harm a woman for killing your child, you state that you are not acting in the child's defense because the abortion has been done. You would be in an anger-filled punitive mode. Whether or not you are a Christian, it is a universal belief that Jesus was a pacifist. What would He do? Certainly not harm someone. He would try to reason with the woman before the act to prevent the abortion.
  • petean05 2009/03/10 19:01:20
    Undecided
    petean05
    +3
    It does not make you a violent person. My question is why would you enter into a relationship with a person who obviously disagrees with your strongly held convictions. Unless you aren't emotionally committed to this woman, in which case you probably shouldn't be doing anything with her that results in a child being born to parents that don't love each other. If you are emotionally and physically involved, you should have discussed this before intercourse. If the whole discussion was hypothetical, it was unnecessary. Hypothetical situations are pointless, because you never know what you will really do in a situation until you are there.
  • Chelsea 2009/03/10 18:37:27 (edited)
    None of the above
    Chelsea
  • syd 2009/03/10 18:33:16 (edited)
    Undecided
    syd
    +1
    without being privy to the exchange in question where you were blocked,i would say..generally speaking,wanting to have a say in something that you have a direct and undeniable connection with is not really the problem.i would commend any man that felt that way and hopefully if a woman was pregnant and she had a fine upstanding man beside her,she wouldnt need to worry about abortion.but that is not always the situation(and no i am not saying its all the mans fault and never the womans,i know we definitely aren't perfect :} ) but in the broader sense...everything isnt always perfect or pretty,there arent always men around that would fight for their children,born or in utero.i have known too many women that have had 4 or 5 kids and as many fathers for those kids...

    lastly,i know i probably sound like i might be picking on you,but i'm not.really.i think sometimes people think its an easy decision for a woman to make to have an abortion.

    peace out
  • Magerine2 2009/03/10 18:27:10
    no
    Magerine2
    +1
    No! Any father would do the same.
  • S 2009/03/10 18:26:56
    Undecided
    S
    I don't think that what you said is a good enough reason for someone blocking you, what gets me a bit worried is the fact that you mentioned that you would hurt the woman who would think about having an abortion of your kid. One violent act doesn't justify another. I do however think that the father of this child should be consulted before you make a choice of having an abortion, just because you are not ready to become a mother does not mean that the man is not ready to be a father. I don't think anyone should be forced to have a baby but you can go to court and fight for that fetus....
  • moorrbr... S 2009/03/10 20:25:20
    moorrbrt1 "In God we Trust"
    +1
    The man would most likely lose the battle in court. His rights were decided in roe v wade. Like the child, he has no rights.
  • Ken moorrbr... 2009/03/10 21:15:07
    Ken
    He has the right to be informed before he sleeps with a woman, to know what her thoughts on such issues are. As someone else said earlier, if you're going to be 'planting your seed' you may want to know the ground before hand!
  • S Ken 2009/03/11 12:12:08
    S
    This is true but this comment can work both ways did he mention anything before he planted that seed.. The blame cannot only fall on the woman.
  • S moorrbr... 2009/03/11 12:10:14
    S
    thats not true, I am a case worker and know a gentleman that actually won that battle. I don't know that you should never think that beating up the woman would ever help. I have a daughter too and her dad wanted me to abort and i didn't because i wanted her. i know that doesn't help you because i am the one that carries the child but if it helps violence is not the answer. You beat her up and you will end up in jail and then what about your other kids....They need you too!!!
  • wolfshadow 2009/03/10 18:25:15
    no
    wolfshadow
    +2
    I think it would make you human.

    I think I would feel the same way.

    I also believe that a woman is entitled to an abortion.... if she was not raped, ONLY ONE. While the doctor is in there those tubes should be removed. You don't want baby, never need to worry about it again.

    On two, the mother should be put to sleep too... like Nathan Lane said in the Birdcage, if the baby is going to die anyway, may as well go down with the ship.

    I believe that if a woman can have the baby and force the Dad to pay child support for 18 years when he doesn't want the baby, then the mother should be forced to have the baby for the Dad to raise if he wants the baby. Oh yes, it's her body, but she made a choice to jump in the sack and most women of child bearing age know that doing that sort of thing can result in a swelling of the abdomen... Women don't want AIDS or Herpes but they have to keep those too....
  • Jay wolfshadow 2009/03/10 19:54:39
    Jay
    +2
    And what about the father's responsibility? Why is he having unprotected sex, with a woman that he obviously doesn't even know well enough to be having sex with in the first place. Did you ever consider telling the father, that if he holds these very strong views on abortion, that he should marry the woman before getting her pregnant? That he should discuss his views on abortion with her, and understand her views, before having sex with her. Abortion is legal. If this man is having unprotected sex, with women, he obviously doesn't know very well, and risks getting her pregnant, when he hasn't married her, or even discussed with her his views on abortion, then he should know that he's risking his child being aborted.
    He is the one putting his child at risk. So my advice to him would be to not have unprotected sex, with women you don't share the same values with, and women that you aren't married to, and you'll probably never be put in the position of worrying about having your child aborted, in the first place. Killing a woman that has already aborted your child, is illegal and immoral. This man would be in total denial of his own personal responsibility in the whole situation. This man sounds to me to be a control freak.
  • wolfshadow Jay 2009/03/10 20:06:56
    wolfshadow
    +2
    It takes two to tango, the woman are the ones that get pregnant. They feel they can have or not have the baby without informing the father. They both made the decision to have sex, they should both make the next decision. He may be a control freak, so what? It's his baby too. Kill my baby, before or after birth, I sonsider that a capital offense and the one responsible will die. And I don't care who you are. Kill my baby, you will die.
  • Jay wolfshadow 2009/03/10 20:11:53
    Jay
    +4
    It won't be an issue if your responsible. If your not responsible, then that's the problem isn't it? If you murder someone because you weren't responsible, you'll go to jail. You can't make other people responsible. You only have control of your own behavior, not theirs. So just be responsible, and again it won't become an issue. If your not, don't blame others for your own stupidity.
  • Ken wolfshadow 2009/03/10 21:16:37
    Ken
    +3
    I would add to Jay's post below by saying that Responsibility = Condoms.
    Case solved.
  • wolfshadow Ken 2009/03/11 06:21:05
    wolfshadow
    +2
    That would prevent pregnancy, not someone aborting your baby. Case not solved, not on topic.
  • syd wolfshadow 2009/03/11 16:49:57 (edited)
    syd
    +1
    duh...case solved BEFORE pregnancy
    duh case solved pregnancy
  • wolfshadow syd 2009/03/11 17:25:09
    wolfshadow
    +2
    Oh look, another idiot.

    DUH!

    Only this topic was not about birth control, it was about someone aborting someone elses baby... But hey, thanks for your input.

    Someone else that can't stay on topic.

    Gee, guess I started that by asking some dumbass if they knew what birth control was....

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