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Does Religious Liberty Equal Freedom to Discriminate?

☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/05/30 01:47:12
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When organized religious groups gain power of any form, power over the state, power over women, or power over children, the results inevitably lead to restrictions on liberty based on discrimination."

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I don't understand how people think allowing gays and lesbians the same rights that heterosexuals already have is a threat to religious freedom. Nor don't I understand how treating us gays and lesbians like human beings, with dignity and respect, would stiffen out religious freedom. No one is trying to make them change their beliefs, they can believe the sky is purple for all I care, we're simply requesting to be treated equally and fairly with dignity and respect. Sexual orientation is something we're all simply born with; as opposed to religion, which is something we choose and are taught. Which trumps which now? This should be a no-brainer
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Religion should never extend in the public sphere. You can go to church, You can be a Christian, You can disagree with gay marriage and abortion and tattoos, but it doesn't mean that You, as a private citizen, have a right to limit other people's access to those things based only on Your private beliefs. But, I can not marry someone of the same sex, not have an abortion, and not get a tattoo myself so that I can still live within my own religious rules and regulations. The same way that we should never force someone of a certain religion to do something that would go against their beliefs, you should never allow someone to limit the rights and freedoms of another person because of their beliefs. Freedom of religion, freedom from religion.
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It's sad to say that religion as a whole is so outdated that it does not work in 2012 no matter how you twist it. The bible among other reigious texts are from a time period where it was ok to stone women and have slaves. We know this today to be flat out wrong and discrimination and according to our laws in the good ol' USA, illegal. We have freedom of religion but at a price, it is restricted and man's law is over religious views, as it should be. I am not against religion by any means, just the discrimination it presents and how decent humanity and common sense have gone the way of the dodo.


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  • brie.austin 2012/10/29 08:25:13
    Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion
    brie.austin
    if you are going to follow a religion, then in the words of Lao Tzu, you should live it rather than try to spread it or convince others you're right.
  • elijahin24 2012/06/08 15:44:16
    Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion
    elijahin24
    Religious liberty equals live and let live. It's really that simple. We have to allow each other to believe what we believe, or not believe what we don't.
  • sjalan 2012/05/31 04:30:34
    No
    sjalan
    And I agree with the other answer, Freedom of Religion also means Freedom From Religion.
  • All American 2012/05/30 11:50:34
    What I Think
    All American
    I think anyone who is a rabid follower of their religion becomes intolerant of others beliefs and therefore, more dangerous.
  • brie.au... All Ame... 2012/10/29 08:29:11
    brie.austin
    +2
    Most of those I run into want to convert you because of their own insecurities. They have an opinion first, then try to find info to support that position. It flusters over zealous religious people when they fail to sway me.
  • All Ame... brie.au... 2012/10/29 11:33:57
    All American
    I would avoid those people like the plague.
  • ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥ 2012/05/30 05:45:18
    What I Think
    ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥
    I have the right to not like a religion, not follow a religion, and state my opinion about a religion. I do not have the right, however, to judge that religion unless I know everything about it. Like with Christianity. It has the extremist right wing people, and it has the mellow people, most of which do not tell me I am going to hell. (My grandma tells me that) I think the religion, the teachings, and the bible make no sense whatsoever. But some of the people are nice, and I am nice to them. I'm not nice to the ones who are mean to me tho.

    Long story short. You have a different religion? Don't care. Oh you wana be nice to me? Cool, let's be friends. I'm on the wrong path, am I? Be prepared to get your ear talked off...
  • Radical Ed 2012/05/30 05:28:00 (edited)
    Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion
    Radical Ed
    religious fundies and their double standards, tsk.
  • Dark Angel AKA Hippiegirl 2012/05/30 03:21:46
    Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion
    Dark Angel AKA Hippiegirl
    Hell No! God please save me from your people!
  • Mimosa 2012/05/30 02:47:54
    Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion
    Mimosa
    If you want your freedom, you should be good enough to allow others to enjoy their freedoms too.
  • Huntclan 2012/05/30 02:45:08
    What I Think
    Huntclan
    First of all, I think the premise of this is all wrong. I don't agree with Same Sex Marriage, but it is for personal reasons and not anything I can read from scripture. But, I do realize the major force behind the opposition of Gay Marriage is done by those claiming Religious Freedom.

    Alfonzo does a better job articulating the position better than I could, so I attached his video. It is primarily about Black Conservatives being referred to as Animals, but he addresses the topic.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Huntclan 2012/05/30 02:50:19
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    if your against Gay marriage then Dont Get Gay married 2 men marrying each other or 2 women marrying each other is not going to effect your life
  • Huntclan ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/30 02:53:11
    Huntclan
    Doh! I won't...
  • potlatch 2012/05/30 02:07:06
    What I Think
    potlatch
    A religion, by its very nature, encompasses certain beliefs and should be free to enforce them in their OWN churches, schools, hospitals and organizations. That is freedom of religion and if we do not push our beliefs on 'others', then we are not discriminating.
  • brie.au... potlatch 2012/10/29 08:34:09
    brie.austin
    +1
    Yes, I agree, but the problem is that most every religion on the planet does go beyond those bounds and pushes their agenda on others, and thereby affects the rights of others. The problem with religion is that they all believe they're right and everyone else is wrong. And many, at least in the US, don't even truly know why they're believers except its what they were taught.
  • Shawna 2012/05/30 01:53:02
    Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion
    Shawna
    Yes, many of them seriously do believe their god will judge others for loving someone of the same sex but not them for hating. Self righteousness sets off an endorphine flood.

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