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Does gun crime make you want harsher gun control laws?

La 2012/05/21 12:53:14
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  • Demonic Rat Hunter 2012/05/21 17:49:13 (edited)
    No, it just makes me want to buy more guns
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    +8
    Criminals don't obey gun laws or any laws that's why they're criminals. Much of what you want to call gun crime is committed by repeat Felons who are not allowed guns. guns outlawed

    I prefer to have the ability to shoot the criminal when he commits a crime against me at least he won't do it again.

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  • JoeM La 2012/05/22 05:07:57
    JoeM
    +1
    The minimum drinking age here in the states is 21. Not that two years makes a huge difference, but some. Minimum age to LEGALLY own a short arm (handgun) is also 21.
    Freedom has a price. If part of that price is indicated by the concept of your anecdotal missive, then that is a price worth paying.
  • classic JoeM 2012/05/22 13:37:27
    classic
    Minimum age in many states to own a hand gun is 18, one just cannot buy a handgun at 18 from an FFL Dealer.. It also depends on the state and the state laws.....


    Florida law does not prohibit an 18 year old from purchasing a handgun, however, many FFL dealers will not sell a handgun to an 18 yr. old for a variety of reasons.

    Also, the minimum age at which a CCW permit may be obtained in Florida is 21 years. So an 18 yr. old may own and possess any firearm he is not otherwise legally prevented from owning, but may not carry concealed until age 21..


    Florida Statute 790.17 says: Furnishing weapons to minors under 18 years of age or persons of unsound mind and furnishing firearms to minors under 18 years of age prohibited
  • JoeM classic 2012/05/22 14:23:27
    JoeM
    To be honest, I have not worried about the laws on age since I was 16-21... I was actually quoting the law from 35 years ago when It applied to me.... I guess they changed some of that.
  • Maddog 2012/05/21 15:52:47 (edited)
    No, it just makes me want to buy more guns
    Maddog
    +2
    It also has the effect of motivating me to go to the pistol range and practice shooting at some human silhouette targets!



    silhouette target
  • intolerantrwj 2012/05/21 15:46:20
    Yes, it does
    intolerantrwj
    +2
    ...... yes it does ......


    ................. how soon until Operation Fast + Furious gets DoJ people a jail term ?

    That is the type of harsher gun control laws you referred to, isn't it ?
  • Kat intoler... 2012/05/21 20:34:40
    Kat
    +2
    Yes that's the only harsher gun control laws I want, get them out of the hands of the government, would cut gun crime significantly if they quit losing them to or selling them to the criminals.
    The FBI came here for an exercise with a van full of weapons a couple years ago and parked the van at a motel, they cleaned it out, I don't think they ever recovered all of them and it wasn't old stuff, it was all state of the art nastys that we couldn't buy.
  • intoler... Kat 2012/05/22 14:12:02
    intolerantrwj
    +1
    .... I appreciate that you saw through my smart-alec reply Kat.

    Can you imagine if you or me were to testify in Congress and basically wave a center-digit at them after we lied to them .... we'd be in handcuffs !

    ........... laughable even moreso ..... they bring in a Baseball Player and grill him over steroids, yet they let real criminality walk


    Were I getting the invite over Steroid use to the Clown Committee aka Congress .... my initial opening response would be as follows ....


    kiss my ass
  • Kat intoler... 2012/05/22 14:20:48
    Kat
    +1
    Not a problem, I sometimes change it up to see if anybodys paying attention. I've gotten some hateful replies and had to point out what I said to them.
  • intoler... Kat 2012/05/22 14:29:00
    intolerantrwj
    +1
    ..... sometimes, it seems you say it clearly, or maybe even obvious sarcastically ... it makes perfect sense to you .... but the other guy runs in a completely differing direction with it < s >
  • Kat intoler... 2012/05/22 14:43:58
    Kat
    +1
    True, I've seen a couple lately it's like they don't even read what you wrote and you're in agreement with them and they just go off. If everyone's this whacky now how will it be nearer to Nov.?
  • intoler... Kat 2012/05/22 14:57:02
    intolerantrwj
    +1
    ..... I fully expect October to be a barrage of accusations and attempted intimidation.

    You see how 1600 is trying to intimidate Romney donors ?
  • Kat intoler... 2012/05/22 20:41:09
    Kat
    +1
    Yeah, I think they'll get really nasty toward the end.
    If I had the kind of money they had I'd be looking into some things and tipping the scales back.
  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2012/05/21 15:43:57
    No, it just makes me want to buy more guns
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +1
    See how gun controls have worked out in some USA metro areas, specifically Chicago (upper left hand corner) and then draw your own conclusions

    thugreport

    http://www.thugreport.com
  • John Storz 2012/05/21 15:28:08 (edited)
    No, it just makes me want to buy more guns
    John Storz
    +3
    1. Guns don't murder people, people murder people

    2. How many of those murders involving guns actually involved legally owned guns?

    gun control
  • jgh57 John Storz 2012/05/21 20:37:52
    jgh57
    +1
    And that is why we have the second amendment, so that we the people can protect ourselves from our own government if needed.
  • classic John Storz 2012/05/22 01:41:07
    classic
    +1
    I have been a firearms instructor for 30 years now,, Concealed carry, self defense, home defense.. I have taught thousands, Guess what!! Not one of them has yet to misuse a firearm,
  • william keegan 2012/05/21 15:08:05
    No, it just makes me want to buy more guns
    william keegan
    +2
    There is an old axiom that is fitting: "If owing a gun is a crime, only criminals will own guns!"

    The answer to gun crimes is to have more guns. If there were more canceled carry laws passed there would be a lot less gun crimes committed. If a criminal knew that just about everybody around was carrying he/she would think twice about pulling a gun to commit a crime.
  • irish -liberty or death! 2012/05/21 15:06:22
    No, it just makes me want to buy more guns
    irish -liberty or death!
    +2
    if someone wants to kill you they don't need a gun ,do they?
  • tom C 2012/05/21 15:02:47
    Other
    tom  C
    +4
    gun laws just take guns from law abiding people.....and the criminals will still own guns....
  • hubjinkom tom C 2012/05/21 16:43:44
    hubjinkom
    +1
    May I draw your attention to the three worst criminal acts involving firearms in UK history -- Dunblane, Hungerford and the much more recent Cumbria shooting -- all of which were committed by people who had the appropriate licences to own the weapons they used. Therefore all of them could have been stopped by even stricter control laws (in fact 2 of the 3 did lead to changes in the laws regarding this).
  • tom C hubjinkom 2012/05/21 16:46:17
    tom  C
    +1
    and that proves laws that are stricter than the US dont work.....
  • hubjinkom tom C 2012/05/21 17:12:44
    hubjinkom
    +1
    Not really since there've been hundreds more such crimes in the US, and in the UK it's been like 3 major ones in what? 30-ish years? And like I say, two out of the three of those led to changes in the law which then meant that the same crime couldn't happen now anyway. What it proves is that even the gun control laws in the UK aren't strict enough (or perhaps weren't at the time, because they have obviously changed since).

    These people hadn't become criminals until they shot the first of their victims, which is why they were allowed permits; however, the idea that only would-be criminals will be able to acquire guns is simply ridiculous. I live in the countryside, so I know a disproportionately high number of people with guns, none of whom are killers. That said, generally speaking, guns are so obviously out of place in Britain as to make it very difficult for traders/smugglers/criminals to have them without getting caught.

    I'd also like to point out the statistics (I don't remember them exactly, but will have a quick look for a link on google in a second -- although I ought to be revising for an exam so I probably won't spend too long looking) in relation to knife-crime in the UK, whereby the vast majority of knives used in incidents where there was a fatality had been the vict...

    Not really since there've been hundreds more such crimes in the US, and in the UK it's been like 3 major ones in what? 30-ish years? And like I say, two out of the three of those led to changes in the law which then meant that the same crime couldn't happen now anyway. What it proves is that even the gun control laws in the UK aren't strict enough (or perhaps weren't at the time, because they have obviously changed since).

    These people hadn't become criminals until they shot the first of their victims, which is why they were allowed permits; however, the idea that only would-be criminals will be able to acquire guns is simply ridiculous. I live in the countryside, so I know a disproportionately high number of people with guns, none of whom are killers. That said, generally speaking, guns are so obviously out of place in Britain as to make it very difficult for traders/smugglers/criminals to have them without getting caught.

    I'd also like to point out the statistics (I don't remember them exactly, but will have a quick look for a link on google in a second -- although I ought to be revising for an exam so I probably won't spend too long looking) in relation to knife-crime in the UK, whereby the vast majority of knives used in incidents where there was a fatality had been the victim's own -- they were carrying it in order to defend themselves, but ended up getting hurt or killed with it themselves. Every one of those victims thought that having a knife on them would help to keep them safe, but it led to their death because it meant that any altercation they got in was automatically one where a knife was present, regardless of whether or not they wanted to use it.

    HAVING LOADS OF WEAPONS ON THE STREETS IS NOT A WAY TO KEEP SAFE! Surely that's just common sense, right?
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  • tom C hubjinkom 2012/05/21 17:16:24
    tom  C
    +1
    so how do you disarm the millions of criminals in the US? laws dont work with them...
  • hubjinkom tom C 2012/05/21 17:25:27
    hubjinkom
    +1
    Having guns so easily available doesn't disarm them either, you know...

    Amnesties have proven successful in recent years at getting knives off the streets in the UK (I'm referring to knives a lot purely because there's been a lot happening in relation to them over here in recent years, and it's more or less the same principle). Yes, some criminals will keep them, so the effect on knife-related crime is lessened, but the effect on knife-related fatalities has still been considerable, which is the most important thing if you ask me.

    Besides, gun crime is not something which increased strictness in the law will eradicate overnight, but it is a problem cannot be solved without it.
  • classic hubjinkom 2012/05/22 01:43:23
    classic
    The Stabbings in the UK are as prevelant as shootings in the US...
  • La classic 2012/05/22 09:17:32
    La
    UK has a bit of a knife problem, but that is not reflected in all the other gun-free countries.
  • All American 2012/05/21 14:52:56
    Other
    All American
    +3
    First of all, guns don't commit crimes, people do. Secondly, crime makes me want to get a bigger gun so I make a bigger impact on the criminal.

    Also, your stats, are those padded with self-defense cases and police shootings?
  • La All Ame... 2012/05/22 00:34:38
    La
    I'm not sure if police shootings are included. Self defence no, because self defence is a DEFENCE, not a crime.
  • All Ame... La 2012/05/22 01:45:00
    All American
    I'm always suspicious of stats and always question them. Police shootings should not be included in them either unless the cop's actions were deemed illegal.
  • Kat 2012/05/21 14:50:14
    No, it just makes me want to buy more guns
    Kat
    +6
    We have harsh gun laws, they don't enforce them.
    All more laws would do is confuse law enforcement further.
    If a cop was to know all the laws on the book, he would spend most of his days in a classroom learning laws instead of attempting to enforce them.
    They can catch them red handed and a judge or jury pop them out of jail for whatever reason.
    We need more standardized sentencing, and more enforcement, not more laws.
  • Kat Kat 2012/05/21 15:04:18 (edited)
    Kat
    +4
    Populations
    Sweden 2005 9,002,000
    N.Zealand 2006 4,027,947
    Australia 2004 20,252,132
    England 2001 49,138,831
    Canada 2004 32,048,000
    U.S. 2010 308,745,538
    Gee wonder why our numbers are higher, like comparing oranges and bananas.
  • All Ame... Kat 2012/05/21 16:16:58
    All American
    +2
    Shhhh, you weren't suppose to notice that. Don't tell anybody.
  • Kat All Ame... 2012/05/21 20:39:54 (edited)
    Kat
    They're always posting these types of questions with old statistics and skewed to the view of whoever funded it, in this case James Bradys widow. Probably packed the US one with suicide by gun, suicide by cop, accidents and every other gun death that year.
  • hubjinkom Kat 2012/05/21 16:49:40
    hubjinkom
    +1
    That might have been a good point, had you checked the murder rates per 100 000 of the population for those same countries before posting it. Don't worry though - I've got them here:

    New Zealand:1.41
    Sweden: 0.86
    Australia: 1.16
    UK: 1.23 *
    Canada: 1.62

    USA: 4.8

    * This figure includes Scotland and Northern Ireland, which are generally higher than England and Wales, so it's almost certainly been brought up by their inclusion.

    Also, all of these figures are the most recent ones I could find - either 2010 or 2011 - so no going back over 10 years to 2001.

    Sorry to ruin your theory, though...
  • Kat hubjinkom 2012/05/21 19:54:05
    Kat
    Went back to nearest info to 2004 like the statistics on the post. Sorry to ruin your BS. info though.
  • hubjinkom Kat 2012/05/21 20:02:49
    hubjinkom
    +1
    "England 2001 49,138,831 ". Where's 2004 in that?

    Also, Straw Man - where's the response to the rest of my post?
  • Kat hubjinkom 2012/05/21 20:11:04
    Kat
    Not really relevant given the difference in years. And that was the available year for England I saw. Shove your straw man comment. If you don't read the info don't blame others.
  • hubjinkom Kat 2012/05/21 20:14:25
    hubjinkom
    +1
    I don't understand what the "If you don't read the info don't blame others" part is referring to -- I genuinely don't, I'm not just being annoying -- sorry!
  • EDWARD G hubjinkom 2012/05/22 00:33:27
    EDWARD G
    None of these other countries has the huge criminal class the US does. Criminals are killing people, not guns.
  • La EDWARD G 2012/05/22 00:36:52
    La
    Why exactly does the US have such a high criminal class? The most people in jail anywhere in the world, etc. Why are there SO many criminals in America?

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