Fast food and non-organic food makes people obese, the 2nd largest killer, yet its all legal
Alcohol causes thousands of deaths via violence, approx. 10,839 car wrecks annually in US alone, etc yet thats legal
Oh wait... because cannabis, despite it not causing any of these problems... it'll just make you a little slow with excessive use... that should be illegal?
I would like you, for just a moment, to imagine a world where very intelligent and driven people who have the spotlight shown on them constantly are a bit hesitant about doing pot. I would also like you to imagine that people who are ALREADY dumb as a sack of hammers might be a little more likely to break the law, and get high instead of, say, studying. I mean, this would COMPLETELY explain this 8 point drop in intelligence, all without pot affecting your intelligence by one whit. In this scenario, you could be smart or dumb, and pot smoking doesn't have to change your intelligence in any way, in much the same way that the physical act of wearing a, "Harvard" sweatshirt doesn't make you smarter, even though the people who wear Harvard sweatshirts are, on the whole, fairly intelligent. Is this world similar to the reality in which we live? Yeah, I think the answer to that is a re...
I would like you, for just a moment, to imagine a world where very intelligent and driven people who have the spotlight shown on them constantly are a bit hesitant about doing pot. I would also like you to imagine that people who are ALREADY dumb as a sack of hammers might be a little more likely to break the law, and get high instead of, say, studying. I mean, this would COMPLETELY explain this 8 point drop in intelligence, all without pot affecting your intelligence by one whit. In this scenario, you could be smart or dumb, and pot smoking doesn't have to change your intelligence in any way, in much the same way that the physical act of wearing a, "Harvard" sweatshirt doesn't make you smarter, even though the people who wear Harvard sweatshirts are, on the whole, fairly intelligent. Is this world similar to the reality in which we live? Yeah, I think the answer to that is a resounding, "YES!". They have established a correlation, but the evidence for a causal link is laughable at best.
And as a kicker, one might expect that if pot had no effect on intelligence, then once a person got older and more responsible and more capable of making informed choices, then if they started smoking, it would not indicate a lower intelligence. If pot actually made you dumber, then choosing to smoke pot later would make you less intelligence, albiet at a perhaps decreased intensity. And lo and behold, this study shows that older smokers aren't effected by this decrease in intelligence, providing a solid argument that the effect is not causal.
To answer most responses to this post, 1) Pot could lower intelligence. I strongly suspect that it does not, but there is no evidence one way or another in this study. 2) I do not smoke pot, I did not smoke pot when I was younger, and I do not plan on ever smoking pot.
Of course, keep those too IMMATURE from using ANY mind-modifier, be it chocolate to heroin.
" there was growing concern in the US that cannabis was increasingly being seen as a safe alternative to tobacco"
Are they fu##ing kidding?
You'll never have this problem from using cannabis, but you might from tobacco.
Tobacco works by stimulating DOPAMINE (Freud's Pleasure Center), what most Psych ("Tranquilizers") Drugs target, hence why 70 % of 'patient' smoke, to counter the prescribed Meds. SSRI (Anti·Depressants) target another neurotransmitter, serotonin, with similar unpredictable results (Columbine e.g.). Cannabis modulates its own particular analogue[s] (cannabinoids, 400+ known) within the brain which has been little-studied at present.
The Inflamed Sigmoid Colon (likely spastic) who excreted this question is totally inept, Tobacco & Cannabis are absolutely different (self-administered) substances.
Apples & Bananas.
Who are you gonna Believe?? Mother Nature (on this planet 3.88 X 10^9 years), cf. Humanity (3.5 x 10^4 years)? There's a good 5 DECIMAL PLACES difference between the two, where'd you place your Faith/Trust?
Right now according to a study minors can get herb easier than a beer.
Oh, yes, just one more thing. That American flag in your photo. It's obviously there to show the world that you're a true American. Educated people who really understand what this country and our Constitution really stands for, don't need the flag to prove it. It's a sure sign where you're coming from politically and how you think.
My points are factual, valid and based more in truth than your thuggish and trollish behavior disguised in intellectualism. Having served America and the People of this Country for 12 years in the United States Army until being disabled, so please do not try to disparage me or my though process because you are intellectually stunted. That photo is Abraham Lincoln a great American President of our Country.
Most people here will not learn anything from someone who chooses to be arrogant and ignorant and l sure do not care to interact with someone who has not answered any questions but has only chosen to troll on a page about marijuana.
haha sorry, but that was funny.
Anyway..
Your opinions are very illogical. Lets talk about your argument with Chris. First of all, making some drug legal will most certainly make it harder to obtain without ID. Think about it. If the Government of ,lets say, US takes control over weed then the worlds biggest cannabis manufacturing facilities will ship all their products to the us government, because politicians have most money. Drug lords would perish very soon, or they'll start selling other illegal drugs because they simply wouldn't get enough money from selling weed.
Then, in order to buy weed you would need to be at least 18 (or 21 in some countries) like with alcohol, thus IDs would be required. Also, doing something legally isn't as fun as doing it illegally so even though there would probably be more smokers, people would probably smoke less overall. Everyone would be happy (except the drug lords). There would be no drug wars and in that aspect the world would definitely be a better place.
None.
You knw why? Because these items are legal and regulated. What benefit is there to a drug dealer to sell weed if people can go to a store instead to purchase their product?
That is not a failure in the system designed to regulate and prevent kids from obtaining cigarettes & alcohol. It is a failure in parenting. The system is working as designed.
Why would you expect the situation would be any different if marijuana were legalized and regulated in the same manner as alcohol & tobacco products?
You said: "And any adult who supplies it could face criminal charges for distribution to minors."
Exactly, as there within lies the "conundrum."
Any rules or laws or regulations have been repeatedly violated and or ignored by the suppliers and consumers of marijuana for the last 60 years while the quantities have steadily increased as the laws are more or less meaningless to the drug suppliers and drug consumers.
The laws have meaning...but the drug suppliers and drug consumers believe them to be meaningless to their purpose and self serving drug induced, drug consuming agenda
"Any adult who does supply it to minors and facing criminal charges for distribution to minors will be feigning innocence while trying to absolve themselves of any culpability and or wrong doing supplying "harmless" marijuana to minors! The future law breaking supplier and the law breaking minor consumers will be no different than now while using the same repeatitive arguments that are used to argue on behalf of the drug and its consumption at present.
There will still be plenty of people arguing that the minors a...
You said: "And any adult who supplies it could face criminal charges for distribution to minors."
Exactly, as there within lies the "conundrum."
Any rules or laws or regulations have been repeatedly violated and or ignored by the suppliers and consumers of marijuana for the last 60 years while the quantities have steadily increased as the laws are more or less meaningless to the drug suppliers and drug consumers.
The laws have meaning...but the drug suppliers and drug consumers believe them to be meaningless to their purpose and self serving drug induced, drug consuming agenda
"Any adult who does supply it to minors and facing criminal charges for distribution to minors will be feigning innocence while trying to absolve themselves of any culpability and or wrong doing supplying "harmless" marijuana to minors! The future law breaking supplier and the law breaking minor consumers will be no different than now while using the same repeatitive arguments that are used to argue on behalf of the drug and its consumption at present.
There will still be plenty of people arguing that the minors and or the suppliers to minors should not have to face any legal penalties for supply and or consumption of the said to be and adamantly argued "harmless" intoxicant known as cannabis
That aspect and the mentality of the drug users and drug suppliers will never change.
The laws will still be broken and some people will still be held accountable and those being held accountable will always argue that the laws or rules or regulations are "stupid" and "meaningless" or "not effective at all" and should be abolsihed or changed in favour of their drug consuming mentality and drug supplying agendas and drug consumption practices.
So at least there would be a new barrier to keep it from kids... also the herb would be clean, right now a kid could get black market cannabis laced with Anthrax... who knows what they are smoking. On a legal market, even if by chance they got access to it, at least we know it's clean, pure, organic cannabis and nothing else that could kill them.
I am certain much of what evolves will not really be like the POT HEADS tell us and or assure us..other than they can legally consume their non essential, recreational intoxicant of choice while being mindfull that they are politley requested to conduct themselves within the parameters of the regulations and laws pertaining to the "mindfull" drug consuming "social decorum" to be practised.
Holier than thou people like you will never accept that because of you inherent flawed biases. You do not outlaw sex for 18 year olds because of the risk of getting syphilis. You EDUCATE people. Alcohol is a completely different story and needs to be age regulated because even 1 serious abuse can and does kill people on the highways. That does NOT happen with pot.
Why don't you stop shooting off your mouth and learn some more actual facts first before you offer an opinion, since you don't obviously don't have a clue about any of this.
Why the need to push an agenda on the population of the public is it so you can justify your habit? I have no problem with you getting high it doesn't affect me one iota, but when someone makes a stupid comment that making it legal would make it harder for someone underage to get it is asinine. The facts do not add up.
Since you think you have all the answers I can't be bothered with you.
But thanks for the compliment! If I were really boring to you I wouldn't have attracted your attention enough to tell me that. . you keep referring to me as "one weird dude" - again, that's certainly not the way you describe someone whom you find boring. Maybe you need to take your own advice and get a life instead of answering boring, weird people, dude! I'm going out for 12 mile run, so I won't "bore" you anymore LOL!!!
By the way, I just noticed your other brilliant comment to Drug Free about me. You're obviously so damn stupid that you don't even realize he's against cannabis!!!! His nickname didn't give you a clue??? He's also incredibly pretentious, ignorant and stupid and can't even put words together correctly, nor can he spell. You proved yourself to be as stupid as he is, because you told him "if he doesn't want to smoke pot, f...
But thanks for the compliment! If I were really boring to you I wouldn't have attracted your attention enough to tell me that. . you keep referring to me as "one weird dude" - again, that's certainly not the way you describe someone whom you find boring. Maybe you need to take your own advice and get a life instead of answering boring, weird people, dude! I'm going out for 12 mile run, so I won't "bore" you anymore LOL!!!
By the way, I just noticed your other brilliant comment to Drug Free about me. You're obviously so damn stupid that you don't even realize he's against cannabis!!!! His nickname didn't give you a clue??? He's also incredibly pretentious, ignorant and stupid and can't even put words together correctly, nor can he spell. You proved yourself to be as stupid as he is, because you told him "if he doesn't want to smoke pot, far be it from me to convince him otherwise." ??? Do you realize who you're saying that too???Hahahaa!!! How the hell do you know I don't smoke, jerk??!! I'm defending the legalization of cannabis, and defend it's use and you say something that stupid?!? You're really a blithering idiot!!! I don't know how the hell you ever made it through college to become an accountant, but apparently all you know how to do is count, you schmuck!!!
When Marijauna is legalised the under age users will still obtain their marijuana illegally....you can be assured of that.
It should be obvious to everyone that the rules or regulations and or laws mean nothing to the drug consumers as we have witnessed the drug consumers ignore and or challenge the laws for the last 60 years.
When the rules and regulations and the laws that enforce those rules and regulatons are finally in place I have no illusions at all about the drug users, over all, continually challenging and or breaking and or ignoring those regulations. They wil continually be fighting the laws that hold them responsible for any and all of their violations of the rules and regulations and or laws pertaining to the supply of marijuana and or the consumption of marijuana.
Tell Us Chris...where to you think all the many, many under age users will continue to get their marijuana from.??
"I know" where they will be obtaining their illegal marijauna from....but I would like to hear "your version" of just how the many millions of North American youth ( under 19 ) will ...
When Marijauna is legalised the under age users will still obtain their marijuana illegally....you can be assured of that.
It should be obvious to everyone that the rules or regulations and or laws mean nothing to the drug consumers as we have witnessed the drug consumers ignore and or challenge the laws for the last 60 years.
When the rules and regulations and the laws that enforce those rules and regulatons are finally in place I have no illusions at all about the drug users, over all, continually challenging and or breaking and or ignoring those regulations. They wil continually be fighting the laws that hold them responsible for any and all of their violations of the rules and regulations and or laws pertaining to the supply of marijuana and or the consumption of marijuana.
Tell Us Chris...where to you think all the many, many under age users will continue to get their marijuana from.??
"I know" where they will be obtaining their illegal marijauna from....but I would like to hear "your version" of just how the many millions of North American youth ( under 19 ) will "continue" to obtain their marijuana???
You do realise that although alcohol is legal for those of legal age their still exists a notable percent of the alcohol consumption by way of the many, many underage drinkers..who obtain their alcohol illegally....by any number of means.
You do realise that those that bootleg the alcohol to the youth and or the youth that consumes the alcohol can and often enough are held accountable by law!
There are several forms of penalties for those that are caught boot legging alcohol to minors and or the minors caught consuming the alcohol.
The majority of citizens agree that bootleggers and bootlegging and those that are underage should be held accountable.
The question is: In the future legal marijuana consumption world should the underage consumers and or the suppliers to the under age consumers be held accountable ...and to what degree if and when they are caught violating the laws of legal consumpton and supply...especially if they are multiple repeat offenders.
Will you and many others support the law breakers and argue on their behalf when the law breakers are caught breaking the laws or ignoring the rules and regulations that are enforced by the laws???...based on the old arguments that marijuana is harmless and people should be able to consume the drug and do what they want to do anyhow concerning recreational drug consumption and the resultant intoxication.
I surmise that when cannabis users are being "held accountable" for violating the "legal" rules and regulations and laws they will still be arguing the same or similar "pro use" arguments on behalf of themselves and or the supply and consumption aspects.
In effect they will still be wanting any and all restrictions concerning consumption and supply to be removed so they are free of any liabilities or accountablity.
When they are being held accountable for their legal indiscretions will you and the others be rallying to their cause saying: "The existing laws and rules and regulations are the problem while the people being held accountable are innocent victims of government control and other people and out of control entities trying to tell people what they can or can not do."??? ...based on a drug consuming, intoxicated mentality??
For those that are caught out and being held accountable will that platform "still" be the rallying platform for arguing on behalf of those that "are caught" breaking the rules and regulations and laws of "legal" marijuana consumption and supply???
After the legalisation, legalisation of the intoxicant known as cannabis will make it all the easier to obtain the drug (not less difficult) ...for both legal age users and the underage users...as there will be all the more marijuana available to be consumed by anyone and everyone.
There will still be plenty of law breaking going on ...but the drug consuming law breakers will still be trying hard to "absolve" themeslves of any wrong doing while trying to avoid being held accountable...as do all law breakers when they are caught breaking the laws.
It seems that the pro marijuana advocates are not really concerned about the negatives aspects or ramifications of consumption of the intoxicant rather they are focused on liberalising the supply and consumption of the intoxicant while removing any restrictions to the supply and consumption.