Do you think people who commit suicide should be considered "cowards"
Honesty
2007/05/14 03:36:05
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I have heard so many times that people who commit suicide are cowards because they are taking the easy way out. And I think to myself how hard it is to kill youself. I have been close to suicide several times in my life. The worst was when I had to move away from family and friends of a lifetime because hubby was changing job locations. I yearned to have the strength to go up on the mountain behind my house and shoot myself, I would sit on the back porch watching the mountain and wondered what it was that was keeping me from going up. My doctor asked me one time, "What about those who love you". I stated, "they will get over it in time, doesn't time heal all things"? Besides when a person is in that deep of a depression they don't think anyone cares about them anyway. All of this was happening when I was in my mid forties, now I'm 62 and on medication, but I still wonder sometimes what is taking the good Lord so long to get to my number.

















I wouldn't think of them as a coward. I just think what had to happen to make this person feel that they didn't have anyone to talk to or help them.
That said, for others I have buckets of sympathy having been in that predicament so many times... it does take a hideously depressed mindset though and I know from deep multiple personal experience having had my ex kill hinself and having lost several aquaintances this way that it is an act of desperation and deranged mental processes caused by medical depression -not cowardice.
Encouraging suicide in others by romanticizing the act is wrong. If people feel it is romantic and they wish to encourage others to suicide , well spare us all and they should go shoot themselves now and spare the vulnerable the trouble, quite frankly, rather than encourage people to suicide when things could change and fix whatever is prompting the desperate feelings.
No one has the right to counsel suicide. That is flat out evil whether deliberate or not. You still end up causing a body bag where before there was a living breathing soul with a fighting chance.
To call it an act of courage is t...
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That said, for others I have buckets of sympathy having been in that predicament so many times... it does take a hideously depressed mindset though and I know from deep multiple personal experience having had my ex kill hinself and having lost several aquaintances this way that it is an act of desperation and deranged mental processes caused by medical depression -not cowardice.
Encouraging suicide in others by romanticizing the act is wrong. If people feel it is romantic and they wish to encourage others to suicide , well spare us all and they should go shoot themselves now and spare the vulnerable the trouble, quite frankly, rather than encourage people to suicide when things could change and fix whatever is prompting the desperate feelings.
No one has the right to counsel suicide. That is flat out evil whether deliberate or not. You still end up causing a body bag where before there was a living breathing soul with a fighting chance.
To call it an act of courage is to romanticize something that cannot be undone when the problmes troubling the particular soul i questions could well be solvable with more time and other thing.
:-/ It's too final a solution.
Also it leaves the living to deal with what you have done - and to bury you - leave them holding the body bag. So that makes t irrespoisble.
So everytime i figure i want to end it all I tell myself the same thing - it'sa coward's way out and I am not an irresponsible person who would leave my friends bereaved as Pierre left me, nor am I one to leave someone having to deal with my mouldering lifeless corpse.
No point in romantciizing death or suicide,. that's just dangerous.
And I say this as some one who is exceedingly gothy, for the record.
committing suicide and for those who do commit suicide. People who do
that are in pain and feel that suicide is their only out. Of course,
those left in the wake of a suicide feel a whole range of emotions -
anger, grief, disbelief, guilt.
I had an aunt kill herself and it
was very upsetting. Survivors of suicide not only have to deal with the
death in general, but the manner in which it occurred. Survivors
constantly ask themselves "what could I have done", "why didn't I see
this coming", etc. etc. Inspite of all this, I still don't feel those
who take their lives are cowards. I just feel deep compassion for them.
May they all rest in peace.
I feel bad for the family members, its very hard for the children. You can be predisposed to suicide if a family member or members have done this.
Wow, I can't imagine getting up the courage to kill myself. There have been times that I wished I could just breathe out and never breathe in again - the death of children, a mentally abusive marriage, but somehow, like you, years later, here I am.
I've had to teach myself to love life, and it was a DECISION. I decided to start each day giving thanks (to God, to the Universe, whatever you're comfortable with) for a chance at another day. Then each evening I began to give thanks for the good things that happened in my day. Some days it was hard to find something - anything. But I'm healthy, I have my eyesight, good hearing, I can move, walk, breathe, I have 3 healthy children and 3 healthy granchildren, I have a roof over my head and food to eat. There are so many people who can't say many of those things. I'm so lucky.
It's just requires looking at things from another perspective.
You were moving away from family and friends because of your husband's job? Wow! What an opportunity to get to know new people, try new things. Think of how many women don't have loving husbands. Think of how many husbands don't have jobs.
If you are lucky enough not to have to work outside the home, then volunteer once or twice a we...
Wow, I can't imagine getting up the courage to kill myself. There have been times that I wished I could just breathe out and never breathe in again - the death of children, a mentally abusive marriage, but somehow, like you, years later, here I am.
I've had to teach myself to love life, and it was a DECISION. I decided to start each day giving thanks (to God, to the Universe, whatever you're comfortable with) for a chance at another day. Then each evening I began to give thanks for the good things that happened in my day. Some days it was hard to find something - anything. But I'm healthy, I have my eyesight, good hearing, I can move, walk, breathe, I have 3 healthy children and 3 healthy granchildren, I have a roof over my head and food to eat. There are so many people who can't say many of those things. I'm so lucky.
It's just requires looking at things from another perspective.
You were moving away from family and friends because of your husband's job? Wow! What an opportunity to get to know new people, try new things. Think of how many women don't have loving husbands. Think of how many husbands don't have jobs.
If you are lucky enough not to have to work outside the home, then volunteer once or twice a week. Most towns have a city mission to help feed the homeless. Volunteer there. Or volunteer in a hospital. You'll go home being thankful every time.
This sounds like I'm trying to be preachy, pointing out how ungrateful you are, but it truly I'm trying to encourage you to look at your life from a different point of view. It's deciding what blessings you'll think about when thoughts of what you DON'T have come into your mind. Decide ahead of time. Then you'll be ready when the bad thoughts come. Try it for a month.
I used to think about wanting to die a lot. I don't know that I really wanted to die, I just wanted the pain and sorrow to stop. This helped me. Today I can say, "Thank you for my life exactly as it is today." My life's far from perfect, very far, but it sure is better than the lives that many people live.
But, (as I told myself) suicide isen't the way, I can make my life better, I can make a life that I will treasure.
My only sibling, my twin brother, took his life over two years ago. I can tell you than my life stopped that day and it will never be anywhere near what it was before. To know you've failed someone you loved so dearly, to wonder. . .
You wonder what you could've said or done to make a difference. You remember EVERY single argument you ever had with him and wish it wasn't. You wish you'd have given in every time there was a discussion or disagreement. And most of all, you wish you'd have told him you loved him when you could have.
Your mind focuses on that last visit, and you realize that he knew. You didn't, of course; you couldn't have. Bue he did, now you re-think all he said and it's clear he knew. And you cry for him and you cry for you and you really never stop crying for either of you.
You become angry when people who berate victims of suicide, and you rage when it's called the "ultimate sin." You defend their honor and remind people you don't even know that to betray God is the ultimate sin. And for the survivors, for those who've lived through it, life isn't like it was; the light is and will always be just a little dimmer than before. For you've failed someone terribly,...
My only sibling, my twin brother, took his life over two years ago. I can tell you than my life stopped that day and it will never be anywhere near what it was before. To know you've failed someone you loved so dearly, to wonder. . .
You wonder what you could've said or done to make a difference. You remember EVERY single argument you ever had with him and wish it wasn't. You wish you'd have given in every time there was a discussion or disagreement. And most of all, you wish you'd have told him you loved him when you could have.
Your mind focuses on that last visit, and you realize that he knew. You didn't, of course; you couldn't have. Bue he did, now you re-think all he said and it's clear he knew. And you cry for him and you cry for you and you really never stop crying for either of you.
You become angry when people who berate victims of suicide, and you rage when it's called the "ultimate sin." You defend their honor and remind people you don't even know that to betray God is the ultimate sin. And for the survivors, for those who've lived through it, life isn't like it was; the light is and will always be just a little dimmer than before. For you've failed someone terribly, and you cannot be forgiven, for the one you've failed isn't here TO forgive.
You hear songs like "Suicide is Painless" and realize they're talking about for the one who does it, maybe, but not for those who must live through it. Simple phrases take on new meanings, and you find yourself pulling your car over and sobbing over a song played on the radio that your loved one used to love, also.
Survivors know what it is to read a letter by a dead man saying that you are loved. And they know what it is to scream, "Then come BACK!" And, realizing the hopelessness of it all, collapse onto the floor exhausted, making pleas with God to take you instead. . . going to sleep still trying to make the trade. Telling God you're sure your parents won't mind. . . take me, I'll go.
Survivors know that no matter what, they must be strong and not do what's been done to them. My parents have only one child now, and I cannot disappoint them. Even though I'm sure he wants me with him, he needs me to show him which line to get into, I cannot go. We were never apart, even in the womb; together always, everyone said. And when I go to the phone and have the number already punched in before I remember he won't be answering, it just. . . you know, it still brings me to my knees and I picture him smiling at me self-assured and so THERE for me and now that he's not I just, I wonder if he realized that he wasn't only killing himself that day, he was killing us both.
My twin's suicide note requested that "Let it Be" be the only tune at his funeral, and it was. Now when I hear it, those first haunting chords take my breath away and I'm filled with a passion that's rage and disdain and the most terrible sense of loneliness I've ever known. And McCartney can sing as he will long and loud, but there never will be an answer, the unfairness of it is riveting.
And there's a reason I won't read the replies to this question. I don't believe anyone could know what that's like. . . what it's like to wonder, to never know what those last moments were like, and to wonder how much of it was your fault. Wondering if maybe he changed his mind before it was over, when it was too late. These are the things nightmares are made of. Living with that isn't living at all, but surviving, which is more than he could manage.
If anything not horrific came from this, you find yourself being kind to people you don't even know, so afraid they're on their last legs and if you say a wrong thing it'll be the last thing they'll hear. You overcompensate with everyone you meet, and you're to get over on. You refuse to contribute to another death, so you do for people much more than you should for the comfort of knowing if they go, it wasn't something you did or said. You're covering yourself.
Suicide isn't cowardice, it's nowhere near that. It's terrible and it's cruel but the victim wasn't a coward, they were a loved one. They were someone we let down, someone we wish we could've helped, someone I'd never allow to be called names, "coward" included. The notion that, even in death, they are being indicted, the subject of name-calling brings on a ridiculous notion to defend them, even while they're not even here. "There'll be no name-calling," you
tell them, ridiculously, lucky not to hear their chuckling.
You answer questions like this one and then forget they ever were and hope anyone reading takes away from it not that you are mad but the message that there are no do-overs. Love and apathy and compassion are for the living, and we must show these to those we love, especially when it's hardest to love them. For we never really get a do-over, and when the end result takes their life, the realization that it is you and not them that is the victim of the suicide becomes painfully clear.
Be good to those you love, and when it's hard to do that, be even better. Life is precious, with no second chances to say what we know we should. It could mean everything. I can't gain a thing by telling you so, but you could gain so much by hearing it.
"And when the night is cloudy
There is still a light that shines on me.
Shine until tomorrow, let it be." (P.McCartney)
All situations are different.
I can only tell you to wrap yourself in the arms of your family and your friends, talk to them about your twin brother as often as you want do not hold back. Someday you will find that you actually had a happy memory--share that right away with your loved ones and hopefully you all will share a giggle and a tear and it will get a bit better from there.
I wish you Peace, Love and compassion
If you have never been in their position you cannot possibly know the pain that they experience or what their thought process is. Believe me, if I would not have gone through it I never would have understood either.
You can’t explain it to someone that has not been there…
…but you wouldn’t wish it on your worst enemy!
I am sorry for your pain. Although it may seem very trite for me to say, I hope that your experience will help another. I pray that it will. I mean that with all of my heart! You are in my prayers.