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Do you think a human being can live through a statistical average life span in this world without EVER utilizing "faith" to some degree in some way, whether it be voluntary or involuntary, no matter how determined the effort to diss it?

J.W. Howler 2012/03/02 15:45:15
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  • J.W. Howler 2012/03/12 19:36:05 (edited)
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    J.W. Howler
    +26
    Don't have to block you, Bastion -- you did it for me.

    And thank you very much, buddy.

    I never said i didn't want to hear it.

    It simply holds no truth.

    The word "faith" has one meaning - Many applications.

    That's just the way it is.

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  • fortycal_sig 2012/03/22 06:34:00
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    fortycal_sig
    +1
    Karl Popper showed that "faith" in the sense of acting (to include formulating opinions and theories) on incomplete knowledge is both reasonable and often necessary. This is the fundamental philosophical reason that science and religion do not need to conflict.
  • J.W. Ho... fortyca... 2012/03/22 13:55:18
    J.W. Howler
    +1
    Great comment IMO.
  • fortyca... J.W. Ho... 2012/03/22 14:52:09
    fortycal_sig
    +1
    Thanks, Howler.
  • jubil8 BN-0 PON 2012/03/22 06:25:45
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    Imo faith isn't just about religion. It's a belief in something.

    We all have faith in something at some time -- our parents when we're young, teachers, other people at various times (a spouse, for instance), systems we believe in (laws, natural laws, etc.).

    I don't know whether a lack of faith or an inability to have any faith leads people to suicide. I think it might.
  • ☆stillthe12c☆ 2012/03/15 04:56:33
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    ☆stillthe12c☆
    +2
    We all have some kind of faith.
  • Diane 2012/03/15 04:16:41
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    Diane
    +2
    You have to have faith in yourself or you'll never attempt anything new, and, therefore, you will never accomplish anything.
  • BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/14 19:50:05
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    BUCCANEER~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    The great creator made us in his image,therefore "he" instilled faith in us for "he" can only be and is the origin of faith,we were also allowed the freedom to choose how we use it or not as the case may be faith
  • Robbb 2012/03/14 19:47:35
    YES, and here is how, or here is an example...
    Robbb
    If you mean religious faith then Yes I do. However there are many forms of faith that are based on the events we have experienced and on our impressions of the people that surround us. Faith is a tool that can be useful and give us a certain peace of mind however it is not a definite requirement. A yes no choice of answers is overly simplistic as faith has different meanings to different people.
  • J.W. Ho... Robbb 2012/03/14 23:42:53
    J.W. Howler
    I disagree about the meanings.

    Faith has one meaning - a belief of confidence and trust in something or someone - no mater what it may be at the moment or over the course of a period of time.

    I do agree it has many different applications.

    But different applications do not change the essential meaning.

    Some put faith to use within a religious, theistic application...Some put it to use in a potentially unlimited number of nontheistic, nonreligious ways.

    But, it still does not change the essential meaning.

    That's why I worded my question - "to some degree in some way regardless of a voluntary or involuntary" use (or leap).
  • Robbb J.W. Ho... 2012/03/15 06:55:24
    Robbb
    +1
    Well if you see it that way then all faith including blind faith is the same however I see one as sane and the other as, who knows. I suppose it depends on the faithful. For example I have faith in the fact that the automatic sliding door will open before I break my face on it. And that is reasonable and backed up by many such events occurring to me. I don’t have any faith in the efficacy of praying for a miracle cure for my flu because my experience and observation tells me that that idea is naive to say the least. But yes there is little doubt that people put their faith into things. They have to otherwise they cant plan.
  • J.W. Ho... Robbb 2012/03/15 16:45:44
    J.W. Howler
    Very few acts of faith are completely blind IMO, which implies I do believe there are some.

    Similar to your example, I don't put any active, conscious faith in a cure for the flu.
    However, it has nothing to do with any perceived naivety of having such a conscious faith regarding such an issue.
    Why?...Because I see ANY cure or vaccine - researched or not - for any disease, ailment, virus, etc. as a somewhat miraculous cure.
    Still, my personal, conscious, faithful approach to a sickness of some sort is to have the faith that I get through it, or cope with it (should it be seriously chronic) in such a way that I retain an attitude that does not result in myself asking the question - "Why me?".
    On the other hand, I believe I probably have an unconscious level of faith that a cure for the flu would come about just as a cure for other past, perceived, "un-curable" diseases/ailments have come about, whether they be temporary, preventative-type "cures", or permanent cures.
  • texasred 2012/03/14 00:16:23
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    texasred
    +3
    I don't ask that everyone believe as I do. I just ask that they keep their minds open. Because when you look around you and see the complexity of this planet, people and their bodies, animals and their impact on the planet.... it's hard for me to believe that:

    "Just as species are believed to have evolved over time, the individual molecules that form the basis of life also likely developed in response to natural selection, scientists say.
    Life on Earth first bloomed around 3.7 billion years ago, when chemical compounds in a "primordial soup" somehow sparked into life, scientists suspect. But what turned sterile molecules into living, changing organisms? That's the ultimate mystery."
    http://news.yahoo.com/earths-...

    Molecules had to be created... they didn't just appear. So.... there's no "ultimate mystery" to me.
  • Randice texasred 2012/03/14 01:56:24
    Randice
    +3
    evolutionaries were always a mystery to me. They claim that those that believe in creative design are nuts because there's no explanation of God, yet, they're fine to believe we derived from apes, and can't explain why there are still apes, and oh yeah.,... that little gap of where the hell apes came from. That's not science; it's a theory; and a poor one at that, because all theories have a beginning and an end; both are lacking.
  • texasred Randice 2012/03/14 05:39:04
    texasred
    +3
    I know. They're more of a laugh than they realize.
  • Randice texasred 2012/03/15 02:20:03
    Randice
    +2
    It's nauseating. Funny how they insist they are so right yet cannot explain the beginning. Things that make ya go hmmmm........
  • J.W. Ho... Randice 2012/03/15 02:32:37
    J.W. Howler
    +1
    I heard a atheistic, evolution-supporting, "big-banging" college student on a Christian apologetics program the other day use the word "nothingness".

    Not just "nothing", but in his words "unstable nothingness" became SO unstable that it brought on some kind of initiation of energy which started the beginning of the evolutionary process of the "beginning" -- ALL on its own.

    Huh?????? head spinning gif
  • Randice J.W. Ho... 2012/03/15 02:34:44
    Randice
    +1
    Ah.... because, well duh... as we all know, nothing creastes something. Tada!
  • The Birdman 2012/03/13 06:01:44
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    The Birdman
    +3
    Because, because, because, because, because....because of the wonderful things he does!
  • Randice The Bir... 2012/03/14 01:56:44
    Randice
    +3
    LOL.. beautiful!
  • nails 2012/03/13 01:33:02
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    nails
    +6
    Man is alone as it is.Man must have a higher power to answer too.And most men and women know this.They will always call on the higher power they know is there when they
    are at their lowest.
  • Randice nails 2012/03/14 01:59:12
    Randice
    +2
    Sad, but true... it typically takes someone getting to the lowest part of their lives, before they call out to God. But, do you know what? He doesn't care, so long as we/they do. Of course it would be much easier if we didn't allow it to get to that point, but, we're human, and that's unfortunately, what we do.
  • Arizona1950 2012/03/13 01:03:55
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    Arizona1950
    +5
    Those who refuse to put their faith in God ultimately do worse by putting their faith in government.
  • keeper 2012/03/12 23:25:12
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    keeper
    +14
    Every once in a while one must take a leap~~ great quote from Thoreau~~
    happy leap day
  • Barefoo... keeper 2012/03/12 23:40:58
    Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL
    +7
    Nice one Keeper! :)
  • Treasure ♥ijm♥ 2012/03/12 21:53:53
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    Treasure ♥ijm♥
    +11
    Faith is believing in something.....we have all believed or had "faith" in our children or faith in ourselves. The word faith stands for many things to many people but I don't feel we can get through life with out faith of some kind.....
  • Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL 2012/03/12 20:59:17
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL
    +16
    Religion aside because there are people who can survive their entire life with faith in the religious sense of the word.

    Now if you are referring to faith in mankind, no. I feel that at some time in everyone's life they will have faith in someone at sometime. Now how that relationship goes depends on the rest of their life whether they can have faith in someone else. Most important person to have faith in is yourself.

    Then there are those that have faith in material things and to me that is sad.

    I hope I have answered this the way you meant it to be.
  • keeper Barefoo... 2012/03/12 23:29:04
    keeper
    +4
    Good answer...
  • Barefoo... keeper 2012/03/13 00:17:51
    Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL
    +3
    Thank you Keeper. :)
  • Old Salt 2012/03/12 20:48:04
    NO, it cannot be done, and this is why...
    Old Salt
    +18
    Faith, to the Christian, is the "substance" of things hoped for, the "EVIDENCE of things unseen!" I can understand an individual who's "faith" is limited to current findings or those which they have come to simply accept! Is it not because one see's it's reality before their very eyes! Like the Sun coming up in the morning! Although there is NO guarantee that will continue to occur, it always has, so one has come to accept it therefore, it has become a "faith" in their life!"

    To ridicule those who have seen a different "SON" that affects their lives, perhaps they should indeed be respected in that "FAITH" and never challenged by someone else. For they only live by a Faith in knowing someone else controls the "sun's" movement and not that of we ourselves! For to declare the sun's rising is a guarantee is truly an absolute "false faith," yes?

    So, to answer this question in its completeness.... WE ALL have Faith in something! The only difference is that the "FAITH" of the Christian is in the "everlasting," while other faith is limited to one's own life or the consequential faith of....... FATE! :(
  • Brian Old Salt 2012/03/13 00:47:47
    Brian
    +5
    Could not have said it better myself, nice job Old Salt
  • jeane Old Salt 2012/03/13 04:58:54
    jeane
    +4
    Absolutely brilliant my friend!
  • Old Salt jeane 2012/03/13 16:27:17
    Old Salt
    +3
    Thank you Jean! My day is ALWAYS better when I receive compliments from you! :)
  • Randice Old Salt 2012/03/13 15:11:29
  • Old Salt Randice 2012/03/13 16:30:13
    Old Salt
    +3
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  • Randice Old Salt 2012/03/13 16:42:57
    Randice
    +3
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  • Old Salt Randice 2012/03/13 18:10:37
    Old Salt
    +3
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  • Randice Old Salt 2012/03/13 18:25:18
    Randice
    +3
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  • Old Salt Randice 2012/03/13 21:07:43
    Old Salt
    +2
    Good song! :)
  • Randice Old Salt 2012/03/14 00:26:06
    Randice
    +1
    Thanks! I love it.... it's like my power song.... :-)
  • Randice Randice 2012/03/14 00:32:06
    Randice
    +1
    you know how to add this to your profile page? Now I got a few added... LOL

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