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Do You Feel College Students Are More or Less Independent Than a Generation Ago?

GMR 2012/05/09 17:23:11
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It's about that time of year, when high school graduates prepare for the next phase in their lives: College. For many students, it's an uncertain and unpredictable stage. They're starting over in a big way, but know it will be more uplifting and exciting than the transition into high school. College is that ephemeral life-limbo where Facebook started, where "Animal House" took place, and where you (supposedly) decide what to do for the rest of your life.

Whether you're going into college, went to college "back in the day," or are hoping to go at some point in the future, take our 6-question Quick Poll when you get the chance and let us know what your experience was like, or how you expect it to play out.
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  • BIG BAD... Bob DiN 2012/05/12 18:09:29
    BIG BAD JOHN R.
    Ok, glad you made it home again.
  • Bob DiN BIG BAD... 2012/05/12 18:16:06
    Bob DiN
    Thank you.
  • BIG BAD... Bob DiN 2012/05/12 20:17:13
    BIG BAD JOHN R.
    Your very welcome
  • Bob DiN BIG BAD... 2012/05/12 22:36:55
    Bob DiN
    :-)
  • BIG BAD... Bob DiN 2012/05/13 02:13:20
    BIG BAD JOHN R.
    :-}
  • Bob DiN BIG BAD... 2012/05/13 04:32:06
    Bob DiN
    Okay.
  • BIG BAD... Bob DiN 2012/05/13 14:48:31
    BIG BAD JOHN R.
    Have a great Day
  • Bob DiN BIG BAD... 2012/05/13 23:43:33
    Bob DiN
    Agreed.
  • jmc07806-PWCM-JLA 2012/05/10 13:55:39
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    jmc07806-PWCM-JLA
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    But I think that is more because of the Parents and the system.
  • Professor Wizard 2012/05/10 13:55:21
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    Professor Wizard
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    I raised 3 kids... I watched them, and their friends grow up. They are WAY less independent then my Generation.

    But then - life is much different today, and the need to be independent is not so proliferate as it once was. Plus, parents are more "Helpful" in nature then those of my Parents Generation. Most of My peer group moved out of the house by 18... most of my friends kids still have kids that still live at home and they are nearing 30 years old. and I had one that lived at home until he was 23, and I had to push HARD to get him to do his own thing.

    Yes... Today's High School Grads are considerably less independent then prior generations.
  • the judgebigdogeagle 2012/05/10 13:48:49
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    the judgebigdogeagle
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    Less cause I have parents who tell their kids they need to be independent,so the kid makes an independent decision,and when the parents find out. They freek,saying why did you not call us to discuss this,cause we are paying the bills.
  • JakeJ277 2012/05/10 13:05:23
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    JakeJ277
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    I recently graduated from college and noticed a lot of fellow students lacked the desire to be independent. To that point, a lot of them couldn't make the simplest decisions without calling home to get their parents opinion on the matter first. Even down to which toilet paper they should buy when they're at Wal-Mart.

    Fortunately I had the kind of parents that let me work growing up and taught me the value of hard work and independence. By 15 I was allowed to be gone all day on my bicycle without checking in and when I turned 18 they kicked me out the door to become a grown up. A lot of my friends parents seemed to want more control over their kids' lives. In fact, I knew a couple of classmates whose parents expected a phone call from them every night and wanted to have their grades mailed to the house for their review. I was a resident assistant in college and regularly fielded calls from parents who couldn't get ahold of their child. When asked how long since they'd heard from them often times it would just be a few hours or a day and they were in full-blown panic mode. Crazy.

    I want to blame the students for not fighting for a bit more independence but after an entire childhood of subverse parental control who can blame them? Most of my friends were purchased a gaming syst...

    I recently graduated from college and noticed a lot of fellow students lacked the desire to be independent. To that point, a lot of them couldn't make the simplest decisions without calling home to get their parents opinion on the matter first. Even down to which toilet paper they should buy when they're at Wal-Mart.

    Fortunately I had the kind of parents that let me work growing up and taught me the value of hard work and independence. By 15 I was allowed to be gone all day on my bicycle without checking in and when I turned 18 they kicked me out the door to become a grown up. A lot of my friends parents seemed to want more control over their kids' lives. In fact, I knew a couple of classmates whose parents expected a phone call from them every night and wanted to have their grades mailed to the house for their review. I was a resident assistant in college and regularly fielded calls from parents who couldn't get ahold of their child. When asked how long since they'd heard from them often times it would just be a few hours or a day and they were in full-blown panic mode. Crazy.

    I want to blame the students for not fighting for a bit more independence but after an entire childhood of subverse parental control who can blame them? Most of my friends were purchased a gaming system from an early age and this acted as their full-time babysitter so the parents could work two jobs-not so they could "keep up" but so they could have every last piece of junk they wanted (cool cars, boats, bigger house, etc.) all the while their family fiber is dissolving.

    Generally I feel like a lot of people from my parents' generation needed to feel like they had gotten everything all figured out, everything is perfect, don't change a thing, etc. This creates an environment that is completely non-conducive to new thoughts, ideas, etc. If you're raised to believe that the world is at a point of stasis or perfection, why should you want independence??? Indepence breeds crazy things like innovation, creativity, strong leaders, etc.
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  • sherie 2012/05/10 12:58:11
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    sherie
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    Not a judgment .....I just think coming out of college with huge loans in a lousy job market. Of course they are more dependent.
  • Юлия Чмелёва 2012/05/10 10:42:34
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    Юлия Чмелёва
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    i think - more)
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/05/10 10:33:57
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    Beat Magnum True Hero
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    And now for the out-of-touch comments by people patting themselves on the back for thriving "back when they did it" paying no regard to the context of the economic realities of the time.

    The truth is:

    The salaries that justify a college education are nonexistent right now, and the dollar is the weakest it has been in decades.

    It's not the only reality, but quit treating everything like a character flaw. Sometimes, you get served a s**t sandwich in life and have to eat it at gunpoint.
  • joe 2012/05/10 10:10:36
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    joe
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    Colleges have become revenue generating enterprises similar to factory farms. A degree from any where today has been diluted due to grade creep. Sign them up. Sell them a loan. Lower the educational standards. Keep them in school as long as you can. Release them into the work force as the smartest bartenders and waitresses in the world.
  • Playerazzi 2012/05/10 09:32:55
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    Playerazzi
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    In the early 80's, I was able to work throught the summer, have a part-time job duing the year, and I was just able to eke out all of my payments (I was in a frat, too, so that helped).

    Now?

    They get money from Mom and Dad.
  • Beat Ma... Playerazzi 2012/05/10 10:45:44
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    You lost me at early 80s. Your dollar was worth more back then.

    The economic realities of the 80 compared to today aren't even apples and oranges. They're more like Apples and the planet Neptune.
  • Any Playerazzi 2012/05/10 13:56:54
    Any
    +1
    I work a full-time internship over the summer making $24 an hour (which is not too bad for someone without a degree) and that doesn't even come close to covering my tuition costs let alone rent, food, books, etc. My mother did her undergrad in the late 70s/early 80s and she was able to pay as she went the same as you did. Even she says she can't imagine trying to work and pay for school nowadays.
  • Spider20 2012/05/10 08:19:03
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    Spider20
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    Going by what I've seen with our first year's experience....less, and in some cases, much less
  • L1 2012/05/10 07:02:53
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    I've seen and heard about the hovering parents that go with their kids even to job interviews, and they are not helping their kids. Granted, not everyone has parents like that, but today's generation seems to be less prepared.
    My parents didn't give me anything and I worked full time through college ( full time student too) and came out at the top 20% of my class. Tough, but that's how it was for me and many others of my generation, "the Latchkey kids."
  • Wolfman 2012/05/10 06:47:04
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    Wolfman
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    There was a time when more education meant independence. Now college grads are moving back in with Mom and Dad because they can't find a real job.
  • Beat Ma... Wolfman 2012/05/10 10:46:12
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    The "real jobs" aren't paying livable wages.
  • Wolfman Beat Ma... 2012/05/10 12:31:50
    Wolfman
    +1
    How do you like Obama and the Progressives so far?
  • Any Wolfman 2012/05/10 13:57:59
    Any
    What does that have to do with college students being independent or not?
  • Wolfman Any 2012/05/10 14:07:03
    Wolfman
    +1
    Obie has wrecked the economy, real unemployment is around 20%, and he has destroyed jobs. No job means no independence.
  • Shark 2012/05/10 06:43:42
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    Shark
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    They are weak minded in the simplest ways.
    The Liberal takeover the educational system has made them crybabies that believe they are owed that which they have not earned.
  • Dark Angel AKA Hippiegirl 2012/05/10 05:46:49
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    Dark Angel AKA Hippiegirl
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    The job market is tough enough but a whole generation is choosing not to work at all until school is finished then expect a job right out of school. to land a job out of college you need work experience - to get it you need to work and learn important life skills such as Budgeting & Accounting
  • MrFabulous47 2012/05/10 05:15:04
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    MrFabulous47
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    As I have a son finishing up his Freshman year away at college, I feel I can speak to this.
    You certainly can't make blanket statements about either generation but I have observed two major differences between when I went to college in the mid-80's & now.

    One, my friends and I all had jobs and from an early age. In my case I had a paper route when I was 13, in addition to cutting lawns in the summer. When's the last time you saw a teenager with a snow shovel walking around the neighborhood trying to scare up $20 a house in the winter? Many of my son's friends & he himself seem allergic to work, many having never even had their first job yet. They seem to feel entitled to getting money from mom and dad. I never wanted to borrow money from my dad, I wanted my own money so I could do what I wanted with it.

    Two, getting your drivers license. I absolutely could not wait to get my license & had it six months after my 16th birthday. Having your license meant "INDEPENDENCE". Many kids today have little to no interest in getting their license and still depend on getting around via mom or dad. This shows NO interest in independence. There are many other reasons I could reference but those stand out for me.
  • Beat Ma... MrFabul... 2012/05/10 10:50:07
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    I hear you on the license. I was counting the days to my 16th Birthday from about age 8. At the moment, I am 33 and have no car - not practical in my current situation - and I HATE the car-less lifestyle.

    As for kids having jobs... it's a different world and full of lawyers waiting to sue at a moment's notice. Then again, I grew up in Phoenix, so lawns aren't as common and snow shovels are illegal. You can thank Chester the molester for taking away the paper routes.
  • MrFabul... Beat Ma... 2012/05/10 17:07:02
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/05/10 04:57:42
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    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
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    Much less. Take away their computer and see how independent they are. Take away the restaurants and see how well they cook. Put a crisis in their path and see who goes running home to mom and dad.
  • Beat Ma... Hula gi... 2012/05/10 10:51:03
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    +1
    Take away the computer and they can't apply for jobs. Virtually all employers use a paperless application process now.
  • Hula gi... Beat Ma... 2012/05/10 22:52:33
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    But if their computers are down those employers will understand using an application.
  • lucero Beat Ma... 2012/05/11 15:23:58
    lucero
    No, they could go to the Public Library and do their application there.
  • Any Hula gi... 2012/05/10 13:59:56
    Any
    +2
    Take away the computer and they won't even be able to do their homework. When was the last time you were in school? Messenger pigeons have gone out of style.
  • Hula gi... Any 2012/05/10 22:52:03
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    Considering I'm writing (or others to take) the national exam in my field for a new IPOD app then I know all about school. What I'm doing is like doing once master in just a few months.
  • Any Hula gi... 2012/05/11 02:36:04
    Any
    So you'll know that taking away computers does nothing to prove students' dependence on other people.
  • Hula gi... Any 2012/05/11 02:44:08
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    Actually it does and I've been fighting that in our profession among others for years. In my profession few of the students know how to draw plans by hand they all want to use CAD on computers. Problem is if the computers are out so stops all work but with knowing hand drafting work doesn't stop and you can have the ability to sketch right on the job site so yes kids are hampered by their only knowledge being on computer.
  • Any Hula gi... 2012/05/11 02:55:46
    Any
    As an ex-civil engineering student I had to take a hand drafting class. Seems to be a problem in your program's curriculum, not with the students themselves.

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