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Do you believe in Climate Change

Solar Thermal Magazine 2011/10/16 21:06:24
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No. Evolution and Climate Change are the Devils Lies
No. Democrats made it up to spend money on useless things
No. It is a temporary phase that will change next year.
Yes. And we had better do something quickly
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  • jpdortmunder 2013/01/06 22:53:33
    No. It is a temporary phase that will change next year.
    jpdortmunder
    Climate change obviously exists the question being is it man made.
  • james jpdortm... 2013/01/30 09:57:38
    james
    absorbing more solar energy than it let escape back into space, a NASA analysis of the Earth's recent energy budget indicates.
    An imbalance like this drives global warming — since more energy is coming in than leaving — and, because it occurred during a period when the sun was emitting comparatively low levels of energy, the imbalance has implications for the cause of global warming.
    The results confirm greenhouse gases produced by human activities are the most important driver of global climate change, according to the researchers.

    They found that the Earth absorbed 0.58 watts of excess energy per square meter than escaped back into space during the study period from 2005 to 2010, a time when solar activity was low. By comparison, the planet receives 0.25 watts less energy per square meter during a solar minimum, than during a period of maximum activity in the sun's 11-year cycle. (Currently, the sun is in the midst of Solar Cycle 24, with activity expected to ramp up toward solar maximum in 2013.)

    "The fact we still see a positive imbalance despite the prolonged solar minimum isn't a surprise given what we've learned about the climate system," lead researcher James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said in a statement. "But it's worth noting, ...
    absorbing more solar energy than it let escape back into space, a NASA analysis of the Earth's recent energy budget indicates.
    An imbalance like this drives global warming — since more energy is coming in than leaving — and, because it occurred during a period when the sun was emitting comparatively low levels of energy, the imbalance has implications for the cause of global warming.
    The results confirm greenhouse gases produced by human activities are the most important driver of global climate change, according to the researchers.

    They found that the Earth absorbed 0.58 watts of excess energy per square meter than escaped back into space during the study period from 2005 to 2010, a time when solar activity was low. By comparison, the planet receives 0.25 watts less energy per square meter during a solar minimum, than during a period of maximum activity in the sun's 11-year cycle. (Currently, the sun is in the midst of Solar Cycle 24, with activity expected to ramp up toward solar maximum in 2013.)

    "The fact we still see a positive imbalance despite the prolonged solar minimum isn't a surprise given what we've learned about the climate system," lead researcher James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said in a statement. "But it's worth noting, because this provides unequivocal evidence that the sun is not the dominant driver of global warming."
    Personally I think that, as the polar ice is missing in the summer, the suns energy is refracted into the water and absorbed instead of reflected back into space.
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  • Green Power 2012/02/22 00:58:17
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    Green Power
    +1
    Yes - it's all about the corporate perks for green energy. See 2nd link at http://www.marylandgreenpower...
  • Radical Ed 2011/10/22 07:53:43
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    Radical Ed
  • damiand... Radical Ed 2011/11/28 16:58:05
    damiandalbero
    +2
    Hell yes mother nature is killing us for what we are doing pumping all this crap in the air . look at the storms in new york city we never had bad storms like we did last year and this year we never had snow in july before and this year we did and and the road that use to be neer the water is no more because the ocean went over it the docks where people docked there boat is no more in new york city so the people that said no they never came to new york city and look at what's going on in other states before they say no and there is such thing look at what's going on in other states before you say no
  • Icarus 2011/10/17 22:39:23
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    Icarus
    Without a doubt.
  • Radical Ed Icarus 2011/10/22 07:52:54
    Radical Ed
    there was something on the BBC news yesterday about it. heres a link:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/sci...
  • Icarus Radical Ed 2011/10/22 09:32:33
    Icarus
    That's right - not that we needed confirmation. The existing global temperature records are plenty good enough already.
  • JanHopkins 2011/10/17 16:07:48
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    JanHopkins
    Yes. That warm spell that hit 10,000 years ago has been a doozy.
  • Matilda Walton 2011/10/17 01:16:33
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    Matilda Walton
    IF "CLIMATE CHANGE" HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH "EARTHQUAKES"...............THEN I.......

    I DO.......................BECAUSE IT'S A "SIGN OF KING JESUS CHRIST COMING"......................

    MATTHEW 24:3-44
  • Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    (¯`·._.·[Dear Maria]·._.·´¯)
    Um yes.....
  • seathanaich 2011/10/17 00:01:35
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    seathanaich
    I don't "believe IN it". That's what people do for fictional things like Santa, horoscopes, and religions.

    I "believe it", like I believe other evidence-based theories used in scientific fields, like the Theory of Gravity, Atomic Theory, etc.
  • Pat 2011/10/16 23:59:55
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    Pat
    Yes, you don't have to be a scientist to see it. It's too bad that it was originally called "global warming" because a lot of the effects are actually colder winters, more ice storms, more tornado activity etc. The ocean temps are rising too and I think that's the reason for so many dead fish, seals, whales and even dolphins washing up on our shores. I hope we can turn it around but I'm doubtful. I don't see the will to make the changes that would need to be made in the people here.
  • TheMadChameleon 2011/10/16 23:40:37
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    TheMadChameleon
    I'm not a scientist and I can't prove anything, but I believe it exists. And even if it doesn't, who exactly does it hurt to take a bit better care of our environment?
  • Boris Badinov 2011/10/16 22:13:26 (edited)
    No. Democrats made it up to spend money on useless things
    Boris Badinov
    A liberal political manufactured crisis.
  • Brother Bo 2011/10/16 22:06:31
    No. Democrats made it up to spend money on useless things
    Brother Bo
    +1
    The climate has changed, on a regular basis, throughout time. Politicians, like Al Gore, created the crisis as a means of control. When Gore started out, the cry was all about "Global Warming", but when actual climatologists pointed out that the earth hadn't been warming for the past decade, and had actually cooled some, they change the "crisis" to "Climate Change". Like crime lord, Rhom Emanuel said, "Never let a crisis go to waste." When Gore was asked about his own "Carbon Footprint", flying his private jet all over the place to promote his farce, he replied that he buys "Carbon Credits" to lessen his footprint. He failed to mention that he bought these alleged credits from a company that he chairs. Money and control, that's all this "Crisis" is about.
  • Icarus Brother Bo 2011/10/17 22:49:04
    Icarus
    All global temperature series show that global warming continues unabated -

    global temperature series global warming continues unabated
  • Brother Bo Icarus 2011/10/18 13:04:28
    Brother Bo
    And if you follow that chart to the left, you will see that it is just a part of the natural cycle of this planet. 30 years ago, the alarmists were crying about the coming "New Ice Age"
  • Icarus Brother Bo 2011/10/18 17:24:07 (edited)
    Icarus
    Well no, that's the thing - the 'natural cycle' was in a long slow cooling trend towards the next ice age, but we've dramatically changed all that with our massive greenhouse gas emissions -

    slow cooling ice age dramatically changed massive greenhouse gas emissions

    "The scientists reconstructed summer temperatures across the Arctic over the last 2,000 years by decade, extending a view of climate far beyond the 400 years of Arctic-wide records previously available at that level of detail. They found that thousands of years of gradual Arctic cooling, related to natural changes in Earth's orbit, would continue today if not for emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases."

    http://www2.ucar.edu/news/846...
  • Brother Bo Icarus 2011/10/19 21:02:18
    Brother Bo
    Since carbon dioxide is actually a good thing which plants consume, aren't we feeding the rain forests? The number one greenhouse gas is water vapor, so maybe we should stop the oceans and rivers. That makes about as much sense as buying "Carbon Credits" or eliminating the internal combustion engine. Maybe we should destroy all industry on the planet and go back to the middle ages? Maybe I should stop before you global warming, Al Gore loving, Obama worshiping whackos start pulling out your hair.
    Have a nice day...

    have a nice day
  • Icarus Brother Bo 2011/10/19 22:41:33
    Icarus
    Oh, what happened to that "just a part of the natural cycle" claim, hmmmm...?
  • Brother Bo Icarus 2011/10/21 10:45:58
    Brother Bo
    Your chart looks like the fictional chart made up for Al Gore's fantasy Power point show. Show me something from an actual climatologist, not a politician.(By the way... how come every time Al Gore speaks somewhere another blizzard occurs? I think it's God telling Al to stop spreading lies.)
  • Icarus Brother Bo 2011/10/21 11:24:30
    Icarus
    Just follow the link in my post.

    Now, how about that 'natural cycle', hmmm? What happened to it? Looks like someone's thrown a spanner in the spokes in the last couple of hundred years, doesn't it? Well that's what happens when you pump hundreds of billions of tons of global warming gas into the atmosphere - the planet warms up. Duh!

    hundreds billions tons global warming gas atmosphere planet warms duh
  • Brother Bo Icarus 2011/10/22 22:42:35
    Brother Bo
    maybe global warming comes from all the hot air politicians put out every day,
    . OMG! The Earth's temperature is up a whole degree since 1 A.D. Run for the hills, Chicken Little!!!
  • Icarus Brother Bo 2011/10/22 23:54:42
    Icarus
    You think it's going to stop there? We're burning fossil fuels faster than ever.
  • Samuel ... Brother Bo 2011/11/06 21:40:01
    Samuel Killin
    +4
    "That makes about as much sense as ... eliminating the internal combustion engine. Maybe we should destroy all industry on the planet and go back to the middle ages?"

    No, maybe we should innovate and develop new technologies further developing new industries and markets. How can you assume that burning fossil fuels and running industries as we do today is the only way of doing things. We are a clever, inventive and innovative species and should come up with new solutions to solve these problems and create new opportunities.

    The internal combustion engine was invented in the 1850s and has since remained (for the most part) unchanged. Sure, it has been optimized, but in contrast to EVERY OTHER invention and industry on the planet it has stagnated since invention. It's about time we sit back and think "Hey maybe we should do that better", and I'm sure you will find this won't kill jobs or kill industry but OPEN jobs and OPEN industry.
  • Brother Bo Samuel ... 2011/11/07 23:25:20
    Brother Bo
    +1
    I have no problem with new innovations and power sources, etc. I have a problem with the eco-nazis wanting to prevent us from using the power sources we have now before the new technology is perfected.
  • Willy Ens Brother Bo 2011/11/28 21:21:50
    Willy Ens
    +1
    Eh Brother Bo,
    No we can't just shut energy off ... this is what I have been saying for decades, there is no doubt in my mind that burning all of this fuel must be having effects, some not so good but you can't stop the Earth from turning, you at best could influence the speed (lol).

    When I worked in Ft. McMurray I tried to get Syncrude to use my system to reduce the GHGs from their "Heavy Haulers" (100 ton+) industrial trucks, explaining to them that shutting down the "Tar Sands" wasn't forceable, however, working on reducing the resulting damage could bring peace for them since it would defeat all of Green Peaces' protests when they could honestly reply ... "We are trying to change" ... and that I would verify working in partnership with them to achieve a noticable difference ...
  • Willy Ens Brother Bo 2011/11/28 20:58:36
    Willy Ens
    +1
    Hi all,

    I felt I had to respond since this sounded so seemingly short sighted,

    Wow, where do I start? Well;

    The combustion of fuel does cause mostly water vapor from the hydrogen and oxygen combining and yes it is the greatest amount of GHGs produced from burning petroleum type fuels. The amount of liquid water that results is even more than the original fuel i.e.; 1 measure of fuel when combusted produces more than one measure of water, 1 fuel = 1.1+ water vapor.

    So is this why are the oceans rising?
    Not only this but no doubt it contributes greatly considering the BILLIONS OF BARRELS burned every day, and that have been combusted since when it started.

    As for the heat contributed;
    If you were to drive a vehicle for 100 miles and it made 25 miles/ gallon, in that distance and with 4 gallons used the heat released and dumped directly to the atmosphere would have heated the average house in Northern Canada for 24 hours in a -30 Celsius temperature. With all of the GHGs directly discharged into our atmosphere.

    As for explosive energy lost; (re the reverse of the above)
    When a house in Northern Canada is heated to offset the heat loss due to an external temperature of -30 Celsius for 24 hours as much explosive energy was lost as equates to that which would have driven the car fo...










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    Hi all,

    I felt I had to respond since this sounded so seemingly short sighted,

    Wow, where do I start? Well;

    The combustion of fuel does cause mostly water vapor from the hydrogen and oxygen combining and yes it is the greatest amount of GHGs produced from burning petroleum type fuels. The amount of liquid water that results is even more than the original fuel i.e.; 1 measure of fuel when combusted produces more than one measure of water, 1 fuel = 1.1+ water vapor.

    So is this why are the oceans rising?
    Not only this but no doubt it contributes greatly considering the BILLIONS OF BARRELS burned every day, and that have been combusted since when it started.

    As for the heat contributed;
    If you were to drive a vehicle for 100 miles and it made 25 miles/ gallon, in that distance and with 4 gallons used the heat released and dumped directly to the atmosphere would have heated the average house in Northern Canada for 24 hours in a -30 Celsius temperature. With all of the GHGs directly discharged into our atmosphere.

    As for explosive energy lost; (re the reverse of the above)
    When a house in Northern Canada is heated to offset the heat loss due to an external temperature of -30 Celsius for 24 hours as much explosive energy was lost as equates to that which would have driven the car for 100 miles. With all of the GHGs directly discharged into our atmosphere.


    Meanwhile since the co2, so2, nox, and other GHGs are currently being dumped directly into the air we breathe, and also the heat isn't utilized in the engine, meanwhile the explosive energy isn't used for heating purposes, so would it not make more sense to extract all of the energy to a higher degree of efficiency? ...

    And would it not also make sense to 'sequester' the GHGs if possible? Just in case pollution is acknowledge by the nay-Sayers later?

    Well I have worked for 30+ years in hydrocarbon fuel combustion/ engineering, and have designed a system to improve fuel efficiency in transport by 25%+ and in heating and process heat combustion this could achieve an unbelievable 80+%.

    Not only that, in the process of doing this both systems are now subject to an "Exhaust Gases Scrub" that removes 100% of the 'water soluble' (Acid Rain Causing) GHGs.

    This is my website about it; http://tawnybill.tripod.com/i... (cut & paste)
    It is in transition to the ... 'new http://goodsenserules.com'... paid web hosting.

    For those that would like to DO SOMETHING about GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE, this is an avenue of address that has Global potential, join me in making this work!

    Thanks for reading this, if you have any questions please don't hesitate to e-mail me at;
    tawnybill@yahoo.ca.

    Cheers,
    Willy.


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  • james Brother Bo 2012/02/21 03:24:33
    james
    +2
    I am sick and tired of the disinformation that is going on in this country. Ironically in the name of freedom of speech and the heartland. When it is in the interests of BIG OIL. But I digress Let me say this as plain as I can: "ANYONE who denies global warming IS UNAMERICAN.

    THE U.S. NAVY in it's own paper titled:
    Navy Climate Change Road Map 21 may 2010
    an excerpt:
    "A preponderance of global observational evidence shows the Arctic Ocean is losing sea
    ice, global temperatures are warming, sea level is rising, large landfast ice sheets
    (Greenland and Antarctic) are losing ice mass, and precipitation patterns are
    changing." ref 1,2
    "While there has been criticism on the details of the methods and results found
    in reports published by the IPCC and other entities, the Navy acknowledges that
    climate change is a national security challenge with strategic implications for the Navy.
    Climate change is affecting, and will continue to affect, U.S. military installations worldwide.
    Melting permafrost is degrading roads, foundations, and structures on DoD and
    USCG installations in Alaska. Droughts in the southeast and southwest U.S. are
    challenging water resource management. Sea level rise and storm surge will lead to an
    increased likelihood of inundation of coastal infrastructure, and ma...





























    I am sick and tired of the disinformation that is going on in this country. Ironically in the name of freedom of speech and the heartland. When it is in the interests of BIG OIL. But I digress Let me say this as plain as I can: "ANYONE who denies global warming IS UNAMERICAN.

    THE U.S. NAVY in it's own paper titled:
    Navy Climate Change Road Map 21 may 2010
    an excerpt:
    "A preponderance of global observational evidence shows the Arctic Ocean is losing sea
    ice, global temperatures are warming, sea level is rising, large landfast ice sheets
    (Greenland and Antarctic) are losing ice mass, and precipitation patterns are
    changing." ref 1,2
    "While there has been criticism on the details of the methods and results found
    in reports published by the IPCC and other entities, the Navy acknowledges that
    climate change is a national security challenge with strategic implications for the Navy.
    Climate change is affecting, and will continue to affect, U.S. military installations worldwide.
    Melting permafrost is degrading roads, foundations, and structures on DoD and
    USCG installations in Alaska. Droughts in the southeast and southwest U.S. are
    challenging water resource management. Sea level rise and storm surge will lead to an
    increased likelihood of inundation of coastal infrastructure, and may limit the availability
    of overseas bases."

    The following is from The Director of the Navy's Task Force Climate Change.++
    Navy Rear Adm. David W. Titley:
    "The observations have shown us that through the 20th century, sea level rose by an average of two millimeters per year, So that means over the course of the century, we had about 20 centimeters, or roughly eight inches, of sea level rise. The sea level rise we've seen in the first 10 years of the new century is already 50 percent greater than the average sea level rise in the 20th century."

    'nough said!

    references:
    1. UNSW Climate Change Research Centre, The Copenhagen Diagnosis, 2009:
    Updating the World on the Latest Climate Science (November 2009).
    2. United States Global Change Research Program, Global Climate Change Impacts in
    the United States, Cambridge University Press (2009).
    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/...
    +http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2...
    ++ http://www.navy.mil/Search/pr...
    Navy Official Discusses Climate Change Investment Strategy
    Story Number: NNS100621-08
    6/21/2010
    By Bob Freeman, Office of the Oceanographer of the Navy
    other sources hopelessly out of date yet correct and still ignored:
    * Popular Science Aug 1989 "Global Warming: Are we waking up 15 years too late?"
    **Fundamentals of Meteorology Second Edition Louis J. Batton ISBN 0-13-341123-0

    Please read this information with an open mind. And without malice. Save our planet.

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  • james Brother Bo 2012/02/21 04:07:10
    james
    +3
    Bro Bo you say "the cry was all about "Global Warming", but when actual climatologists pointed out that the earth hadn't been warming for the past decade, and had actually cooled some, they change the "crisis" to "Climate Change". "
    Who are "actual climatologists " name sources. not Faux News
    "Climate Change" was Geoge Bush's answer to "Global Warming", because the Republicans refused to use that phrase in any campaign. But it is "Climate Change". Man made climate change. Warmer weather on the surface sounds good: less snow,less fuel used in winter etc. But what you have to realize is: the planet takes turns sticking alternate poles into total darkness each year. Plunging it to low temps then with the higher temps in between the winds have more energy. With an increased strength and incidence of tornadoes, increased incidence and strenghth of hurricanes, flooded lowlands are just the tip of the iceberg of global climate change. Don't forget increased incidence of drought, increased incidence of wild fires, increased incidence of forest fires increased incidence of floods etc.
    Beside I miss the seasons. Weather changed every three months not every three days. In fall the leaves would turn after the first cold night. Then they would fall over the cooling phase of fall. now the trees are kept warm to long. So the snow catches the leaves and power failures are inevetable. Other seasons have their own problems. But Jon Sewart is on got to
    go.
  • Brother Bo james 2012/02/21 15:34:46
    Brother Bo
    There has always been "climate change", all throughout history. There have been times when the climate has been warmer than now and times when it has been cooler than now. I remember when I was in college, the hue and cry was that we were entering a new ice age. I see no reason to panic because the planet is going through a natural cycle. Meanwhile, I want you to fill a glass with ice, then fill it the rest of the way with water. When the ice melts and the glass overflows, give me a call and I will join in the panic. If the polar caps are melting and the oceans are rising, why are New York, Savannah, Miami, Galveston, Mobile and other coastal cities still above water? Simple observation should show you that there is no need for you to panic.
  • Brother Bo 2012/06/27 02:17:36
    +2
    Yes, climate does change, but at nowhere near the current rate or for current reasons. We should stop our contribution to the problem and allow Earth to try to return to normal. Atmospheric CO2 should not be at 396 ppm, it hasn't gone above 300 ppm for the last 650,000 years at least. And as for the ice age scare of the 70's, temperatures were going down through the 60's, but turned around during the late 70's into the 80's. Rising oceans is caused by land-based ice melting, such as Greenland. Fill your glass with water, fill another glass with ice, let the ice melt, then pour that into the first glass, there's the issue. Ocean levels haven't rised that much yet, because sea-based ice is melting first. This is the ice that has little impact on ocean levels. But once land-based ice melts, oceans will rise by at least 20 feet, relocating millions of people and straining resources on millions of others. Then once everything spirals out of control, your ice age will happen, wiping out billions of people. Still think we shouldn't panic? temperature
  • Brother Bo 2012/06/28 14:19:03 (edited)
    Brother Bo
    Will pushing this button help? Should we panic

    I doubt it.
  • Chukroast 2011/10/16 21:53:02
    Yes. And we had better do something quickly
    Chukroast
    +2
    It's happening as best I can tell by the jumble of facts, data and information available. Sea levels could rise from 4" to 40' (based upon different sources) in the next century. There are many things that we can do to cut down on the trapped heat (or absorbed heat). Most of our roads and large areas of parking lots, airport taxiways and runways are "blacktop" (tarmac) which really absorbs heat. Most roofs are a dark material and they too absorb a lot of heat. One acre of tarmac or one roof doesn't make much difference, but multiply that by millions and you could see a dramatic change in the temperatures around large urban areas, industrial sites and transportation hubs. It's a start Most of these dark materials (roads, tarmac, roofs) could be made considerably lighter in color to cause the heat to be reflected instead of absorbed. Also, we (all nations) need to to assure that no more rain forests are destroyed and a worldwide campaign begun to plant more trees, and effect reforestation.
  • themadhare ~IJM 2011/10/16 21:08:14
    No. It is a temporary phase that will change next year.
    themadhare ~IJM
    yes; I believe climate changes.

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