Do you agree that personhood begins at fertilization?

It starts at conception. If it didn't you simply wouldn't be here. Is that so difficult to understand. My life started at conception and no one could possibly say it started anywhere else.

This is religious/ideological claptrap, but every woman must decide for herself. I'm both antiabortion and prochoice, but men should not have the right to make these decisions beyond defining "life" as being when the blood flows...as in Leviticus.

I believe the baby becomes a person when the soul enters the body. I believe in pro choice up to 4 months. I do not know when the soul enters the body and it could be a little different for everyone so I am not willing to judge.

according the the Bible, the soul enters the body upon the first breath outside of the womb. There's a passage somewhere where God describes breathing the soul into the child with the first breath.

yep... that is probably when the soul enters or just prior but we have no way of knowing so I think if it is a baby, let it be born....if the mom couldn't make up her mind by the time she is 4 months pregnant, just have it and give it away for adoption if you don't want it but after 4 months, its pretty much a baby.

NO.

My take is that life starts at BIRTH.

I think you are probably right but should a woman be able to 'abort' an 8 month unborn? Or 7 month? or 6 month? I do not believe so.

that only happens if the mother's life is threatened. Even abortionists don't do it that late.
Only hospitals do.

i know of plenty abortion clinics that do 6 and 7 month abortions and i think that is way too late.

I like Ted Turner's answer; while he is anti-choice, he points out "How many funerals have you seen for a fetus?".

I feel it is a life when it can exist outside the mother, on its own, with no mechanical or chemical intervention. Until then it's obviously a part of the mother.

I think sometimes, that can happen as early as 4-5 months....could be very individual to the DNA, etc.

It's not a person but it's a unique combination of genetics that will never exist again and it should be treated as sacred. They shouldn't be started and then disgarded like excess flour when you're making a cake.

you're on the money. Unfortunately history shows us that we don't regard foeutuses as sacred.

No I do not. A fetus is not a person yet; it just has the potential to become one.

agreed

Let's hope that doesn't pass - those right wing religious zealots - if that passes I say we try to get a "no ejaculation during masturbation" measure passed - it makes about as much sense - certainly they will consider the seed just as much a person as an egg -

I heard it didn't.....

Nope - they lost - thankfully!

WOOT!!!

They don't consider the egg or the sperm a person. The sperm and egg have to join together to make a person.

Uhmmm.... I really wasn't serious ;-) LOL

NO.
And the sick quacks who are pushing this disgusting amendment in Mississippi should all be transported back in time to the Middle Ages,since they seem to have the mindset of that horrible era.If it passes,you can bet other states will jump on the band wagon as well.Under this "personhood" crap if a doctor treats a woman who has an ectopic pregnancy(an embryo that develops outside the uterus,often in the fallopian tubes,and is a leading cause of pregnancy-related deaths),both the doctor and the woman will be prosecuted,even though an embryo can't survive an ectopic pregnancy anyway.Every woman who miscarries or uses oral contraceptives will risk prosecution.Pregnant woman will probably have to report to the police every week or so to make sure they're still pregnant.Hello,Nikolai Ceaucescu's Romania anyone?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Of course it isn't hard to see what's really motivating the attacks on women's reproductive rights.A quick internet search and you'll discover that members of many white nationalist sites(like Stormfront)fully support it 100% because it will ensure that more white women get pregnant and stay pregnant and white "Christian" Amurrikens won't become outnumbered by the brown and black folks.There's no way that it isn't mostly race-motivated.
*hops off soap box*

My litmus test is that every male involved in suppressing female rights must swear on the Bible that they have never had unprotected sex outside of wedlock

GOOD ONE!

You go Girl!

"Personhood" DOES NOT begin at fertilization. A fetus clearly cannot live outside the womb.

no. imnsho, a 'person' is a human being who can support his/her own body without outside help.

I also don't believe an old person on life support qualifies as a person. which is why I wear an abbreviated DNR around my neck whenever I leave home and have a living will posted on my refrigerator and have vested my sister with my medical PoA.

so - I put my money where my mouth is on this issue. something no male is capable of doing when it comes to a zygote. yet males are the majority of people who just KEEP ON trying control the things that go on inside women's bodies.

"so - I put my money where my mouth is on this issue. something no male is capable of doing when it comes to a zygote. yet males are the majority of people who just KEEP ON trying control the things that go on inside women's bodies..."

WELL SAID!

ABSOLUTELY NOT. LIFE does not begin until AIR is taken in.

zygote - (genetics) the diploid cell resulting from the union of a haploid spermatozoon and ovum (including the organism that develops from that cell)
fertilized ovum organism, being - a living thing that has (or can develop) the ability to act or function independently

The dictionary tells us that a Zygote is a living thing and after four days begins to form the next stage of growth which is the fetal status. The basic structural and functional unit of all organisms; they may exist as independent units of life (as in monads) or may form colonies or tissues as in higher plants and animals

I notice you didn't answer the question. was that intentional?

You don't seem to notice very much do you my friend. I think your to busy contemplating your own naval to take any notice what others are writing.

My answer the the original question is and was posted further down the line.

But, but just for your benifit, I will repeat myself as you seem to be having problems understanding what is an answer and what is a question.

Joe's answer to the original question was:
Human life does begin at conception.....

Your response to that same question was:
Legally Hunam life doesn't Begin until the baby fraws its first breath.
According to the Bible, life doesn't begin until the baby is a month old.
According to me, "life" of the failed Zygotes is irrelevant in IVF.

I notice quite a bit, thank you. such as the fact that I did not insult you in my response to you.

give that zygote a passport!

I believe that when the fetus is developed enough that it could potentially survive without an incubator that is when it is a person. Before that, when it is developed enough to feel pain and perhaps fear it is rather like an animal and it should be protected from harm.

I think the soul enters the body with the baby's first breath.

that's certainly the biblican definition, but some of our states are changing that.

Where in the Bible is that written?just asking.

there's an account of God giving a soul at the first breath somewhere, but you'll have to google where it is.