Do Muslims simply follow their religion more closely than Christians?
Leprachaun999
2012/09/13 17:10:54
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I would have to say yes. The Bible and the Koran are very similar in their tenants. i would say that modern Christians and Muslims have left the ancient interpretations of their respective books far behind. Though there are fundamentalists that adhere to the old ways. I think Christians would be doing the exact same shenanigans if they followed what the bible says as the fundamentalist Muslims.
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy
gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath
wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing
his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped
them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I
have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it,
and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing
certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt
thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that
wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt
stone them with stones, till they die.
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy
gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath
wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing
his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped
them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I
have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it,
and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing
certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt
thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that
wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt
stone them with stones, till they die.
You might be surprised to learn that the longstanding conflict between the Hutu and Tutsi has nothing to do with religion, actually the Hutu-Tutsi strife stems from class warfare.
Meanwhile Over 13,750 Christians have been killed by Muslims in northern Nigeria since the introduction of Sharia laws in 2001.
In Sudan Christians are murdered or taken as slaves by Muslim Captors. I suggest you research the Darfur Genocide before you try to equivalate your so called belief of Christians atrocities vs. what Islamic extremism is doing to the region. Today, the death-dealing is primarily between the black Sudanese Muslims of Darfur and the Arab Muslims (Janjaweed militia) from the north. The Muslim in Sudan considers himself superior to the black, and this is not an uncommon belief throughout the Arab Muslim world, and hardly a new one. It is an ancient racism going back to the first incarnations of Muslims in the Middle East.
Sudan was used as a base By Bin Laden by the way..
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Did you know that Al-Qaeda funded and organized these early terrorist attacks against Bosnian Serbs?? Mainstream Western media, the US administrations under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton as well as the governments of NATO and the EU covered up a lot of The mass...
You might be surprised to learn that the longstanding conflict between the Hutu and Tutsi has nothing to do with religion, actually the Hutu-Tutsi strife stems from class warfare.
Meanwhile Over 13,750 Christians have been killed by Muslims in northern Nigeria since the introduction of Sharia laws in 2001.
In Sudan Christians are murdered or taken as slaves by Muslim Captors. I suggest you research the Darfur Genocide before you try to equivalate your so called belief of Christians atrocities vs. what Islamic extremism is doing to the region. Today, the death-dealing is primarily between the black Sudanese Muslims of Darfur and the Arab Muslims (Janjaweed militia) from the north. The Muslim in Sudan considers himself superior to the black, and this is not an uncommon belief throughout the Arab Muslim world, and hardly a new one. It is an ancient racism going back to the first incarnations of Muslims in the Middle East.
Sudan was used as a base By Bin Laden by the way..
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Did you know that Al-Qaeda funded and organized these early terrorist attacks against Bosnian Serbs?? Mainstream Western media, the US administrations under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton as well as the governments of NATO and the EU covered up a lot of The mass murder of Serbs in Srebrenica and Gorazde from 1992 to 1995 by Alija Izetbegovic’s Islamofascist terrorists. The mass murders were brutal, cruel and grotesque, so much so that when the Serbs retaliated they were fueled with the memory of what had been done to their people in the early days of the conflict (92 to 95) and this would ultimately lead to the widely covered Srebrenica massacre.Meanwhile the earlier beginnings of Islamofacist mass murders were not covered by the media.
As far as The United States are concerned, I have never once heard any politician nor general say that the people killed in the two wars were killed in the name of Christ.
As far as your logic, you must have been before there was a Soviet Union. Back then countries either were on one side or the other each with their hand greedily out to take $$ and weapons. The fact that the US prevailed the cold war, makes us the bad guys in terms of countries that had dictators that we supported..nothing is ever said of the Soviets and their propping up of regimes because they no longer matter..
And just what do you think lead to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you think 9/11 happened and then we just simply went to war?? If so you have missed out on a long list of terrorism perpetrated by Islamic extremism..
20 years of terrorist acts plus 9/11 gave the Bush administration all it needed for the excuse of the invasion in Iraq.
By the time of 9/11, Saudi and Iranian funded terrorism had radicalized enough of the muslim world to become a huge problem. Both Republican and Democratic administrations are at fault for looking the other way (all the way back to FDR).
Bottom line: Without the Terrorist acts, you have no 9/11, and therefore no 9/11 = no US invasions.
Osama was not in Pakistan during 9/11, he was in in Afghanistan and our so called bestest buddies (Pakistani's) let him slip through the mountain borders during operation anaconda. So while I agree with you that Iraq was a mistake, one that I have never agreed to by the way, afghanistan was a different story, . The country had become a training base for Al Queada.
Achmed doesn't hate us for the above, he hates us because he lives in a sexually repressed, 70% unemployed area and his Iman at the mosque is promising him riches and bitches in Heaven if he straps a bomb to his chest and kills the infidels.
PERIOD!
By the way,Kindom of Heaven the movie is not a documentary, the Crusades were bloody and Christianity had its part in it, but the true reasons for starting them might surprise you..
And history IS important because the religious crap that's happening now is really not that different from the things that happened then. We have to learn from this stuff so it doesn't repeat itself. I assume you're pretty upset about 9/11, right? 1000 years from now people might refer to it the way you just did with your "example". Would you be happy about that? The truth is horrible things have been and are being committed in the name of many gods all the time, all over the world. Just because it's in the past doesn't make it less valid than what's happening today. If you think it is, then you have very little regard for the human lives that were lost over this.
But do you see how you're contradicting yourself? Why do you want people to remember 9/11 for what it was but not any other horrible "mass murder" that occured from religious purposes (and was "perpetrated by religious fanatics", as you said)? It's not relevent to anyone's current situation? Fine, but explain to me how 1000 years from now, 9/11 will be relevent to anyone's situation?
It is an observed fact.
There is hatred and bigotry in pretty much ANYTHING WRITTEN A THOUSAND PLUS YEARS AGO.
Fortunately for the world, most religions have become more enlightened over time. Unfortunately for the world, Islam is not one of them..Islam was once the forefront of Science and philosophical studies while the rest of the world remained in the Dark ages..Now, those who wish to control masses have manipulated the faith to their own agendas. And there is plenty of material for those manipulators to use..
and if you're going to provide a comparison, dont you think you should include these little gems from the Koran?
Kill non-believers
4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
Killing Idolaters
9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep...
There is hatred and bigotry in pretty much ANYTHING WRITTEN A THOUSAND PLUS YEARS AGO.
Fortunately for the world, most religions have become more enlightened over time. Unfortunately for the world, Islam is not one of them..Islam was once the forefront of Science and philosophical studies while the rest of the world remained in the Dark ages..Now, those who wish to control masses have manipulated the faith to their own agendas. And there is plenty of material for those manipulators to use..
and if you're going to provide a comparison, dont you think you should include these little gems from the Koran?
Kill non-believers
4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
Killing Idolaters
9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers
8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Smite the neck of unbelievers
47.4: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
Severe Punishment for non-believers
22.19: These are two adversaries who dispute about their Lord; then (as to) those who disbelieve, for them are cut out garments of fire, boiling water shall be poured over their heads.
22.20: With it shall be melted what is in their bellies and (their) skins as well.
22.21: And for them are whips of iron.
22.22: Whenever they will desire to go forth from it, from grief, they shall be turned back into it, and taste the chastisement of burning.
Severe Punishment for non-believers
72.23 : (It is) only a delivering (of communications) from Allah and His messages; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Apostle surely he shall have the fire of hell to abide therein for a long time.
98.6 : Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.