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Did God know that Eve would disobey him?

kir 2012/07/29 01:06:49
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Is God omniscient? I have to wonder that. When Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil she disobeyed a direct command from God, yet would God not have known that she would do so already?

If he knew then there's a flaw in the all knowing all powerful concept of the Christian God, and he is all knowing then it seems rather... evil to punish someone for doing something that you knew that they would do.
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  • Nimitz 2012/07/30 06:43:34
    Yes; God is all knowing.
    Nimitz
    +5
    If one interprets the Biblical creation narrative literally, several paradoxes--or apparent paradoxes--immediately present themselves. This is one of them.

    The ultimate paradox, though, is the one where an all-knowing, all-powerful and loving God fashions a new creature (man) with no knowledge of or capacity to tell right from wrong (knowledge of good and evil), and places him in a garden within immediate proximity of an object of temptation (the fruits of the trees of the knowledge of good and evil and of eternal life) and an agent of temptation (the devil). If this were a test, it would have been deliberately set up such that the objects under scrutiny (us) would fail.

    Why would an omniscient, omnipotent and presumably loving Creator wish to create the conditions by which His new creation was guaranteed to do the ONE thing which s/he was instructed NOT to do? Could it be that this Creator wanted us to fail for some reason? If so, what/why?

    Or maybe the entire Bible is presented to us as a kind of riddle or test to see how we resolve these dilemmas while remaining in the context of a reverent (worshipful) relationship with the Creator.

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  • Masaca 2013/03/29 17:23:57
    Yes; God is all knowing.
    Masaca
    He would have had to have known.
  • kir Masaca 2013/03/29 17:49:20
    kir
    Then why did he get pissed off?
  • Masaca kir 2013/03/29 17:59:43
    Masaca
    Who knows the mind of God? Anyone who claims they do is full of crap. He him self gave mankind plenty of opportunities to know Him before He turned His face against us.
  • kir Masaca 2013/03/29 18:02:30
    kir
    And there ends the discussion. "We can't know so we shouldn't ask". *shakes his head* Oh well.
  • DoxieDad 2013/03/29 03:07:06
    No; God is not all knowing.
    DoxieDad
    No, and that's what he gets for creating a self thinking women.
  • reaper 2013/03/29 01:07:54
    Yes; God is all knowing.
    reaper
    at least thats what i'm told about the abrahamic god.

    told abrahamic god
  • Mark In Irvine 2013/03/29 00:00:54
    Undecided
    Mark In Irvine
    the story of adam and eve is just a fairy tale, devised by some simple-minded, uneducated person trying to make sense of the world's difficulties, and happy to blame woman ... there is nothing to the story IMHO.
  • Little Red 2013/03/28 23:20:39
  • Mrkando 2013/03/28 21:51:19
    Yes; God is all knowing.
    Mrkando
    But God give us a choice. He define's what good and evil is but then leaves it up to us as to the direction we take. That was true with Eve and true for all of us.
  • George-2 Mrkando 2013/03/28 23:15:56
    George-2
    +1
    So He DID KNOW beforehand Eve was going to disobey!
  • Mrkando George-2 2013/03/29 04:09:16
    Mrkando
    The temptation was put there and he told eve to resist it and not give in to human emotion. She could not, or would not, and the rest is history. The tree was called the tree of life. There are some that believe it was not an apple at all but sex. Had she not succumbed to it we would not be here. That weakness is in us all but it is up to us to believe what is right and what is wrong for the wages of sin is death.
  • Murph 2013/03/28 20:42:45
    Yes; God is all knowing.
    Murph
    He created us in his own image giving us free will, with a choice to obey Him or not. The flaw is not in God. It is in our will, we choose sin. But God's mercy also provided us with a Savior, Jesus Christ, who's death paid the price for our sin, and who's resurrection is our promise of eternal life.
  • rocat 2013/03/28 20:25:35
    Undecided
    rocat
    punishment...???...

    or "effects"...???...
    intrinsic consequences-

    arising from the changes...
    wrought by the fruit-

    whether one believes in deity...or not...
    i think most would agree...

    the universe...
    tests and tempers us all-
  • Anonymouse ~superdoge~ 2013/03/28 20:06:39
    Undecided
    Anonymouse ~superdoge~
    I don't think it's possible for god to tell what hasn't happened yet. I think he would be able to see all the possible timelines, but by giving humans free will, he gave humans the ability to choose their own time line. So no, I think he would be omniscient, but he couldn't tell what would happen, because then our paths are set, and that is the antithesis of free will.
  • Sal Monella ~PWCM~JL 2013/03/28 20:00:23
    Undecided
    Sal Monella ~PWCM~JL
    +1
    Factually, I've wondered about that myself too.
  • stevegt... Sal Mon... 2013/03/28 20:03:25 (edited)
  • Sal Mon... stevegt... 2013/03/28 20:05:21
    Sal Monella ~PWCM~JL
    LOL
  • TuringsChild 2013/03/28 19:47:20
    Yes; God is all knowing.
    TuringsChild
    +2
    God knew that Man would fail. But in the larger Plan, it didn't matter that that happened. And the end condition is actually better after men have accepted Salvation than if they had accepted Him from the start. God values Free Will. It's the only thing we have that we truly can give to Him. We all have the choice to find God attractive or repulsive, to live with Him forever, or apart from Him, until all choices are made.
  • stevegt... Turings... 2013/03/28 20:04:56
  • Mark In... Turings... 2013/03/29 00:02:17
    Mark In Irvine
    this is just after-the-fact rationalizing of things that make no sense if there is a creator
  • Turings... Mark In... 2013/03/29 04:16:16
    TuringsChild
    +1
    Considering that we LIVE after the fact, I don't see how we have any other choice. Disbelieve if you wish. But why bother coming here if you refuse to listen to anyone but yourself?
  • Mark In... Turings... 2013/03/29 18:48:46
    Mark In Irvine
    i understand that mankind is searching for meaning ... but unreason and fairy tales don't particularly help us understand other than in a figurative sense
  • Charmaine Warren 2013/03/28 19:39:58
    No; God is not all knowing.
    Charmaine Warren
    +1
    Because it means he created her knowing it and that would make him unfair, but God does not operate that way. It's like someone sitting next to a radio that is off...you don't know what is playing on when it is off.

    To say he knew would be to impute bad motive to him. He made her perfect. He endows each human free will - to choose either to serve him or not. Simple.
  • stevegt... Charmai... 2013/03/28 20:06:17
  • Charmai... stevegt... 2013/03/28 20:32:21
    Charmaine Warren
    I'm not quite sure what you mean...
  • Charmai... Charmai... 2013/03/28 20:32:02
    Charmaine Warren
    +1
    It would mean he would create her simply so she could sin and die as sentence....not cool.
  • Mark In... Charmai... 2013/03/29 00:02:45
    Mark In Irvine
    not cool!
  • Mark In... Charmai... 2013/03/29 00:03:46
    Mark In Irvine
    so ... either God is not all-knowing, or God doesn't really care about us the way we like to think he would and should ...

    of course, some (not me) will jump up to say that God doesn't exist ...
  • Burning Bright Embers 2013/03/28 19:39:19
    Yes; God is all knowing.
    Burning Bright Embers
    +2
    and He gave us a free will. how could we learn if we were created perfect?
  • Murph Burning... 2013/03/28 20:46:53
    Murph
    We were created perfect, but He also gave us free will. We have the choice to obey or not.
  • Burning... Murph 2013/03/28 22:39:32
    Burning Bright Embers
    +1
    exactly
  • stevegtexas@aol.com 2013/03/28 16:09:07
  • kir stevegt... 2013/03/28 16:14:29
    kir
    The best explanation was that it was a rhetorical question much the way parents will ask children "what have you done" when they know exactly what they have done. Though that combined with everything else still leaves so many holes in the biblical creation myths.
  • Burning... stevegt... 2013/03/28 19:40:06
    Burning Bright Embers
    possibly to see if He would get the truth from them?
  • Turings... stevegt... 2013/03/28 19:51:43
    TuringsChild
    When a parent sees a broken cookie jar on the floor, she knows EXACTLY what happened. The question is not for the parent's benefit, but for the child's.
  • lorri 2013/01/06 13:08:03 (edited)
    Undecided
    lorri
    i think of God in away like a computer. if this happens then this result will happen but if that happen this will happen. God gives us a choice to choose which road we want to go

    and he knows what will happen in each road. and even then he knows our original choice but he gives us the chance still to change it. he never gives up no matter the road the road we choose he just keep hoping we wake up and choose the right one.
  • lorri lorri 2013/01/06 13:15:12 (edited)
    lorri
    +8
    I think he is all knowing but sin make us miserable and sin didn't start with Eve it started in heaven with Satan. it originated in Satan God didn't create it .How did it form. Who knows.. but then again people often ask themselves who created God. there are just things in this universe that we will never know and never understand. I had a recent experience that kind of made me understand how Eve disobey. Satan the greatest manipulator of all time manipulated her and instead of trusting God she believed the snake and instead of telling herself no matter what listen God she believed what he said. and in a way many of us are like eve because they are so Manny manipulative people out there and instead of asking what would God want us to do you we believe in to their b.s . Just look at players now a days. Satan is a player and she was just a victim. the truth is satin does not care about us he wants to get to God we are just ponds in his game and only God can save us. as soon as you take your eye off God he would knock you down- if u never been trough anything your time will come he is just waiting on the perfect time.
  • Ron 2012/08/23 13:43:29
    Yes; God is all knowing.
    Ron
    +1
    Let's not make any more of this than it is:
    if God is so terrible for punishing us when He knows beforehand that we're going to make a bad choice, how much do we suck as parents when we do the SAME THING?
    If you've never given your child a chance to screw up on their own, you've also not given them the chance to succeed on their own. Likewise, if you neglected to punish them for a BAD decision or reward them for a GOOD one, you have denied them the opportunity to learn a life lesson. In that case, you should be sterilized.
    I say we applaud and PRAISE God for His wisdom, and showing how our lives here reflect His generosity and superiority!
  • kir Ron 2012/08/23 14:51:54
    kir
    You don't notice the difference? He put us into a dangerous situation that he KNEW we would make that exact mistake. Would you put your child in a room with a dog if you KNEW he was going to get bitten? Nope. That would make you a bad parent.

    Worse yet, would you throw your child out of the house for not listening to you and let him suffer for the rest of his life?
  • Jacob Torres 2012/08/06 02:11:19
    Undecided
    Jacob Torres
    It's mythology. Fridge logic and plot holes aren't anything unusual.
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