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Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin?

Missing Links 2011/09/26 02:23:14
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Yes, he knew because.
No, he did not know because.
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No matter if you believe the Bible to be fiction or Gods word. According to what is in the Bible what do you think?
I feel he did not know because, God looked at, everything he had made and, look! [it was] very good. Genesis 1:31
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  • 8mariedawn6 2011/09/26 07:14:14
    Yes, he knew because.
    8mariedawn6
    +2
    Answer: This is a two-part question. The first part is “Did God know Satan would rebel and Adam and Eve would sin?” The answer lies in what the Bible teaches about God’s knowledge. We know from Scripture that God is omniscient, which literally means “all-knowing.” Job 37:16; Psalm 139:2-4, 147:5; Proverbs 5:21; Isaiah 46:9-10; and 1 John 3:19-20 leave no doubt that God’s knowledge is infinite and that He knows everything that has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future.

    Looking at some of the superlatives in these verses—“perfect in knowledge”; “his understanding has no limit”; “he knows everything”—it is clear that God’s knowledge is not merely greater than our own, but it is infinitely greater. He knows all things in totality. Isaiah 46:10 declares He not only knows everything, but He controls everything as well. How else could He “make known” to us what would happen in the future and state unequivocally that His plans will come to pass? So, did God know that Adam and Eve were going to sin? Did He know Lucifer would rebel against Him and become Satan? Yes! Absolutely! Were they out of His control at any time? Absolutely not. If God’s knowledge is not perfect, then there is a deficiency in His nature. Any deficiency in God’s nature means He can...



























    Answer: This is a two-part question. The first part is “Did God know Satan would rebel and Adam and Eve would sin?” The answer lies in what the Bible teaches about God’s knowledge. We know from Scripture that God is omniscient, which literally means “all-knowing.” Job 37:16; Psalm 139:2-4, 147:5; Proverbs 5:21; Isaiah 46:9-10; and 1 John 3:19-20 leave no doubt that God’s knowledge is infinite and that He knows everything that has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future.

    Looking at some of the superlatives in these verses—“perfect in knowledge”; “his understanding has no limit”; “he knows everything”—it is clear that God’s knowledge is not merely greater than our own, but it is infinitely greater. He knows all things in totality. Isaiah 46:10 declares He not only knows everything, but He controls everything as well. How else could He “make known” to us what would happen in the future and state unequivocally that His plans will come to pass? So, did God know that Adam and Eve were going to sin? Did He know Lucifer would rebel against Him and become Satan? Yes! Absolutely! Were they out of His control at any time? Absolutely not. If God’s knowledge is not perfect, then there is a deficiency in His nature. Any deficiency in God’s nature means He cannot be God, for God’s very essence requires the perfection of all His attributes. Therefore, the answer to the first question must, by necessity, be “yes.”

    Moving on to the second part of the question, “Why did God create Satan and Adam and Eve knowing ahead of time they were going to sin?” This question is a little trickier because we are asking a “why” question to which the Bible does not usually provide comprehensive answers. Despite that, we should be able to come to a limited understanding if we examine some biblical passages. To begin, we have already seen that God is omniscient and nothing can happen outside of His knowledge. So, if God knew that Satan would rebel and fall from heaven and that Adam and Eve would sin, yet He created them anyway, it must mean that the fall of mankind was part of God’s sovereign plan from the beginning. No other answer makes sense given what we have been saying thus far.

    Now we must be careful to note that Adam and Eve falling into sin does not mean that God is the author of sin, nor that he tempted Adam and Eve to sin (James 1:13). The fall serves the purpose of God’s overall plan for creation and mankind. This, again, must be the case, or else the fall of mankind would never have happened.

    If we consider what some theologians call the "meta-narrative" (or overarching story line) of Scripture, we see that biblical history can be roughly divided into three main sections: 1) paradise (Genesis 1–2); 2) paradise lost (Genesis 3 – Revelation 20); and 3) paradise regained (Revelation 21–22). By far the largest part of the narrative is devoted to moving from paradise lost to paradise regained. At the center of this meta-narrative is the cross. The cross was planned from the very beginning (Acts 2:23). It was foreknown and foreordained that Christ would go to the cross and give His life as a ransom for many (Matthew 20:28)—those chosen by God’s foreknowledge and predestined to be His people (Ephesians 1:4-5).

    Reading Scripture very carefully and taking what has been said so far, we are led to the following conclusions:

    1. The rebellion of Satan and the fall of mankind were foreknown and foreordained by God.
    2. Those who would become the people of God, the elect, were foreknown and foreordained by God.
    3. The crucifixion of Christ, as atonement for God’s people, was foreknown and foreordained by God.

    So, we are left with the following questions: Why create mankind with the knowledge of the fall? Why create mankind knowing that only some would be "saved?" Why send Jesus knowingly to die for a people that knowingly fell into sin? From man’s perspective, it does not make sense. If the meta-narrative moves from paradise, to paradise lost, to paradise regained, why not just go straight to paradise regained and avoid the whole paradise lost interlude?

    The only conclusion we can come to, in view of the above assertions, is that God’s purpose was to create a world in which His glory could be manifest in all its fullness. The glory of God is the overarching goal of creation. In fact, it is the overarching goal of everything He does. The universe was created to display God’s glory (Psalm 19:1), and the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God (Romans 1:23). Our sin causes us to fall short of God’s glory (Romans 3:23), and in the new heaven and new earth, the glory of God is what will provide light (Revelation 21:23). The glory of God is manifest when His attributes are on perfect display, and the story of redemption is part of that.

    The best place to see this in Scripture is Romans 9:19-24. Wrath and mercy display the riches of God’s glory, and you cannot get either without the fall of mankind. Therefore, all of these actions—fall, election, redemption, atonement—serve the purpose of glorifying God. When man fell into sin, God’s mercy was immediately displayed in not killing him on the spot. God’s patience and forbearance were also on display as mankind fell deeper into sin prior to the flood. God’s justice and wrath were on display as He executed judgment during the flood, and God’s mercy and grace were demonstrated as He saved Noah and his family. God’s wrath and justice will be revealed in the future when He deals with Satan once and for all (Revelation 20:7-10).

    The ultimate exhibition of God’s glory was at the cross where His wrath, justice, and mercy met. The righteous judgment of all sin was executed at the cross, and God’s grace was on display in pouring His wrath for sin on His Son, Jesus, instead of on us. God’s love and grace are on display in those whom He has saved (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9). In the end, God will be glorified as His chosen people worship Him for all eternity with the angels, and the wicked will also glorify God as His justice and righteousness will finally be vindicated by the eternal punishment of all unrepentant sinners (Philippians 2:11). None of this could have come to pass without the rebellion of Satan and the fall of Adam and Eve.

    The classic objection to this position is that God’s foreknowledge and foreordination of the fall damages man’s freedom. In other words, if God created mankind with full knowledge of the impending fall into sin, how can man be responsible for his sin? The best answer to this question can be found in the Westminster Confession of Faith chapter III:

    “God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established” (WFC, III.1)

    What this is saying is that God ordains future events in such a way that our freedom and the working of secondary causes (e.g., laws of nature) are preserved. Theologians call this “concurrence.” God’s sovereign will flows concurrently with our free choices in such a way that our free choices always result in the carrying out of God’s will (by “free choices” we mean that our choices are not coerced by outside influences).

    To summarize, God knew that Satan would rebel and that Adam and Eve would sin in the Garden of Eden. With that knowledge, God still created Lucifer and Adam and Eve because creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to manifest His glory in all its fullness. Even though the fall was foreknown and foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices are the means by which God’s will is carried out.
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  • Missing... 8maried... 2011/09/27 02:20:38
    Missing Links
    If God truly had foreknown that this perfect couple would sin, it would imply. That God was unloving, unjust, and insincere. Some might label it cruel to expose the first humans to something that was foreknown to end badly. (God’s knowledge is infinite. Isaiah 46:9-10) However, he does not have to use this capability, just as he does not always have to use his immense power to the full. God wisely uses his ability of foreknowledge selectively. He uses it when it makes sense to do so and fits the circumstances.
  • 8maried... Missing... 2011/09/30 03:42:22
    8mariedawn6
    Well I do not know where you come up with that.God has gave everyone the choice to follow and if you do not you will not have to worry about the Lord but do not thank he is going to be there just when you need help and then say I do not know you after you do not need him any more.The Lord is merciful and loving and gave you that choice.He died on the cross for you so you could have eternal life dose not sound mean to me.People need to stop blaming God for every thing and realize it is are choices that gets us in what we get in .
  • Missing... 8maried... 2011/10/01 01:13:11
    Missing Links
    +1
    That is my point if God chose to foresee Adam and Eves future and still created them it does not seem fair. So thats why I say he does not have to look into the future. only if he fills there is a need. As far as that goes, God can make the future anything he what's it to be. I think he wants his creation as you said to have free choose. But why look ahead or put it in fast forward sort of speak.
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/03 05:57:11 (edited)
    joseph
    +2
    Yes, absolutely!!! God knew Adam and Eve would sin! If He didn't, then why would Head decree, before the foundations of the world, a people called the church to be conformed into the image of His Son and why should Christ be called the lamb slain before the foundations of the world?
    The thing here is Gods great plan in all of this. Yes, in Gods acts, He created everything with innocence, but not perfect like him. Man has the capability to sin, God doesn't. Though man was going to sin, and God knew it, He predestine a way out through Christ, that is why Jesus is the mystery that is unfolded in the New Testament, because a mystery would not be a mystery if it was never there, but rather a mystery does not appear to be there.
    Is God at fault because he created us? No! For He created everything good even, the tree of good and evil, and even Satan before he was Satan.
    Is God at fault because He knew man would fall. No! Though in the act of foreknowing something terrible would happen and carrying out the creation anyway presents something deeper yet, that He had a good plan set out in Christ that He already determined.
  • Missing... joseph 2012/07/07 03:10:06
    Missing Links
    "Foundations of the world" If you are referring to "The founding of the world". I believe it started with Abel. (Luke 11:49-51) Jesus refers to “the blood of all the prophets spilled from the founding of the world” and parallels this with the words “from the blood of Abel down to the blood of Zechariah.” So, Abel is connected by Jesus with “the founding of the world.” also. The Greek word ka·ta·bo·le′, translated “founding,” literally means “a throwing down” and can refer to the ‘conceiving of seed, The Messiah, was to be the promised Seed through whom all righteous persons of all the families of the earth would be blessed. (Ga 3:8, 14) The first mention of such “seed” came after the rebellion in Eden had already been initiated, but prior to the birth of Abel. (Ge 3:15) This was some 4,000 years before the revelation of “the sacred secret” was made by the clear identification of that Messianic “seed.”
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/15 07:19:37
    joseph
    1. The first time the gospel was preached was in Genesis 3:15. Right after Adam sinned, which separated himself and all his descendants from our Creator, God revealed He already had a plan to provide a way of salvation for sinners: “ ...And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”

    2. God further illustrated His redemption plan when he made clothing for Adam and Eve from animal skins: “...Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.” This was the first blood sacrifice as a covering for their sin—a picture of what was to come in Jesus Christ, the lamb of God, who would die and be raised from the dead to TAKE AWAY our sin.

    As you contemplate this truth, I want you to think about the fact that, as God killed these animals to cover Adam and Eve, He knew that this would happen to the Son of God one day—in fact, knew this before He had created the universe, before there was time, God had predetermined that the Son of God would become a sacrifice for sin so that those who received the gift of salvation could be saved for eternity.

    3. Acts 2:23 states: “...Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken,...













    1. The first time the gospel was preached was in Genesis 3:15. Right after Adam sinned, which separated himself and all his descendants from our Creator, God revealed He already had a plan to provide a way of salvation for sinners: “ ...And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”

    2. God further illustrated His redemption plan when he made clothing for Adam and Eve from animal skins: “...Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.” This was the first blood sacrifice as a covering for their sin—a picture of what was to come in Jesus Christ, the lamb of God, who would die and be raised from the dead to TAKE AWAY our sin.

    As you contemplate this truth, I want you to think about the fact that, as God killed these animals to cover Adam and Eve, He knew that this would happen to the Son of God one day—in fact, knew this before He had created the universe, before there was time, God had predetermined that the Son of God would become a sacrifice for sin so that those who received the gift of salvation could be saved for eternity.

    3. Acts 2:23 states: “...Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain ....”

    Revelation 13:8 states: “...And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

    Think about this: before the universe was created, before time existed, before man was created, God knew that we (in Adam) would sin. He knew we would rebel against our Creator. And in the wisdom and love of God, in eternity, He predetermined a plan so that we could receive a free gift of salvation. In eternity, God planned for the Son of God to step into history to provide the ultimate sacrifice—the sinless Son of God would suffer sin’s penalty of death, be raised from the dead, thus providing a way of salvation. Hebrews 10:10 declares: “By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

    4. As you think about the fact that in eternity, God had predetermined the Son of God would become a man to die for our sins, also contemplate these things:

    a. When God created the heavenly bodies on day four of creation “for signs and for seasons and for days and years,” (Genesis 1:14), He knew that one of the signs would be for the time the Son of God would become a man, born of a Virgin in a town called Bethlehem.

    b. When God made the trees (and all plants) on the third day of creation (Genesis 1:11), He knew that a tree would one day be used for the most evil event of history: when evil men would crucify the Son of God. And yet, by God’s foreknowledge and predetermined plan, this event would occur for the salvation of souls.

    c. When God made the land animals on day six (Genesis 1:24), he knew that He would soon sacrifice at least one of those animals because of our sin in Adam—and He knew He had predetermined that this would one day happen to the Son of God, so we could receive the free gift of salvation

    d. When God cursed the ground and caused thorns and thistles to grow because of sin (Genesis 3:18), contemplate the fact that God knew that one day, thorns would be used to pierce the brow of His Son as He hung on that tree paying the penalty for our sin. “And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head ...” (Mark 15:17).
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  • joseph joseph 2012/07/16 04:03:15
    joseph
    I also want to know then why Paul said, "just as He chosen us in Him BEFORE the foundation of the world, that we might be holy and blameless". God must have known something about the state we would be in before the founation if He were to choose us. He must have known we would be blameworthy and unrighteous to needing to be placed in Him.
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/16 04:39:04
    joseph
    Revelation 13:8 "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/16 04:49:37
    joseph
    I do understand your opinion about God being all knowing and all powerful, yet choosing when he wants to utilize those ablities. Now im just saying this, even if there is no scripture to back up either way we still do not know if He did use His divine abilities to see if they would sin.
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/16 05:05:08 (edited)
    joseph
    It is a concept that we do not fully understand, because we ourselves are not in God's shoes, though He wore sandals. We do not know whether or not He does use His abilities all the time. In some ways not using His abilities would give us a sense of closeness, a sense that he is standing there with us, yet if he does use them then it is a sense of fear and trembling mixed with accountability like know other.
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/18 05:05:10 (edited)
    joseph
    There is the problem with certain thoughts of foresight that we may think God may have. One thought is that, yes, God has the ability to see forever and beyond, and anything He well pleases, but when He doesn't want to see the future He is stuck in present time, yet what is present time to God and how do we know that ten years from now is not His present time? One thing I do grasp is Gods transcendence from creation and set in a place of eternity where time has no power on God, because He always was. In this case God is set as the final reality, and God doesn't lose apart of himself do to time. Yet God looks at His creation as a whole from before, during, and after all at the same time and not just in our present time.
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/18 06:10:42
    joseph
    2 Timothy 1:9 NASB

    who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,
  • Missing... joseph 2012/07/22 03:04:26
    Missing Links
    You are right we will never understand time as God does. But in 2 Timothy 1:9 there is what we need to think about, Gods purpose for the earth and mankind.
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/25 00:47:50
    joseph
    Yes and that purpose included His grace to us in Christ from all of eternity. And if He knew about the grace He would bestow upon us then He knew we would be sinners to need that grace and to be identified in Christ.
  • Mxo joseph 2013/01/11 21:19:44
    Mxo
    +9
    Well if God is all good and created everything, where did evil came from unless he represents both.
  • Chukroast 2011/09/26 06:24:03
    Yes, he knew because.
    Chukroast
    So the story goes, A&E; were not given free will in the Garden, so, I guess he knew and even stuck the snake there just to see what would happen. I'm glad He has a sense of humor, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
  • not u 2011/09/26 04:13:10
    Yes, he knew because.
    not u
    GOD is all knowing according to the bible.... Therefore he would have known... Or he is not GOD.
  • Missing... not u 2011/09/29 00:02:05
    Missing Links
    He is all powerful also, he uses what he needs to, he also foresee when he needs to or what's to.
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/16 05:23:49
    joseph
    I guess the bigger question is: when does he need to use his power?
  • METALheadMom 2011/09/26 03:30:57
    No, he did not know because.
    METALheadMom
    NEITHER. Supposedly, God knows everything about everyone, and nothing happens unless he set it up. SO, if that were true, he knew Eve would believe the tree of knowledge was something she could take from. My question, is if he created humans, why would he get angry at them for being human?
  • joseph METALhe... 2012/07/16 05:26:08
    joseph
    As a parent would do to a child. Discipline.
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2011/09/26 03:08:20
    Yes, he knew because.
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    If he didn't then he wouldn't be "all knowing"
    If he did, then the whole thing was a set-up

    Sounds like a guy who just likes to get angry and torment people..
  • Missing... FAWKES'... 2011/09/29 00:00:42
    Missing Links
    He is all powerful also, he uses what he needs to, he also foresee when he needs to or what's to.
  • FAWKES'... Missing... 2011/09/29 00:08:58 (edited)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Yeah. With only TWO people on earth there's nothing else to forsee except what they're about to do now is there.

    ...and if he were all powerful then he wouldn't need an army now would he? Sorry Michael.. you're out of a job.
  • Missing... FAWKES'... 2011/09/29 01:39:00
    Missing Links
    Why would you what to watch reruns?
  • FAWKES'... Missing... 2011/09/29 03:17:28
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Explain the army. Why does God need an army if he's all powerful?

    "What does God need with a Starship?" - J. T. Kirk
  • Missing... FAWKES'... 2011/09/30 02:41:05
    Missing Links
    The term is used as a large amount. God does not need a army. He wanted to share life, that is why he created other life.
  • FAWKES'... Missing... 2011/09/30 03:20:43
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Not a human army or a symbolic army.. Your book says he has an actual army of 'angels' and Michael the Archangel is the leader of it. It's called the "Heavenly Host." Are you saying your book is wrong? If God is all powerful, why does he need an army?
  • Missing... FAWKES'... 2011/10/01 01:38:11
    Missing Links
    Created other life, includes spirit creatures the definition of army is: (large organized group: especially one that has been organized to do a specific thing.) as in enjoy living.
  • FAWKES'... Missing... 2011/10/01 01:52:43
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    No sorry wrong again. He has an actual army for combat, Didn't you even read the bible?

    "Then war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough to prevail, so there was no longer any place left in heaven for him and his angels. So that huge dragon – the ancient serpent, the one called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world – was thrown down to the earth, and his angels along with him." - Revelation 12:7-9

    How does a war break out on Heaven if God is all powerful? Why does he need an army to fight his enemy? All he need do is poof them into oblivion, right?
  • Missing... FAWKES'... 2011/10/02 00:39:43
    Missing Links
    That would prove that God is powerful but that was not the original issue. The original question was Gods right to rule his creation. That takes time to answer. Suppose the father of one family challenges the father of another to a contest that will prove which man is stronger. That issue could be decided quickly. Strength could be measured by lifting rocks. The father who lifted the heaviest rock would be the stronger man. But suppose the challenge involved which father truly loves his sons and daughters and whether they love him in return. Sufficient time would have to pass, careful observation would be required, and right conclusions would have to be drawn in order for the issue to be settled. That is the same thing as, does God have the right to rule?
    As to having God's army do things.
    God was not the only one to see Satan's challenge, so he lets others do things just like he had Adam name the animals and man take care of the earth. Just like a father lets his children take care of certain things he lets them live. not just site back.
  • joseph Missing... 2012/07/16 03:54:30 (edited)
    joseph
    But the act of foreseeing doesn't mean he made adam do it. Yes, granted, he knew that Adam beforehand would sin and so He made them anyway, but it he didn't make them thinking, "well there's a fluke" rather he already had a plain to reconcile them to Himself and the fullness of the times, of His purpose, came about two thousand years ago.
  • joseph FAWKES'... 2012/07/16 05:29:24
    joseph
    That is almost equivalent of me having a son and my plan was all along to beat him.

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