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Dead Man Is Too Fat For Science: Fair or Foul?

mrosen814 2012/08/02 20:00:00
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59-year-old George Cardel from Queens wanted to donate his body to science after he died. But a medical school crushed his final wish by not accepting his corpse, due to its... er... large size.

Even worse, "the 59-year-old man’s body wasn’t returned for 13 days — so badly decomposed it required cremation." Former New York City chief medical examiner Michael Baden said it’s not surprising that a medical school would turn down an obese corpse. Baden goes onto say, “an obese person would be harder to dissect because of the amount of fat tissue under the skin."

NYDAILYNEWS.COM reports:
George Cardel’s final wish died with him — doomed by his hefty 300-pound frame. The Queens mechanical engineer had hoped to donate his body to science, but that dream was dashed when a medical school rejected his corpse because of its girth, a $2 million lawsuit claims.
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  • Der Kitabkúzádlhen 2012/08/03 00:09:31 (edited)
    Foul
    Der Kitabkúzádlhen
    +23


    Shame on the school for keeping the body for so long without even trying to preserve it... and after rejecting it too! Most coroners don't keep bodies in their offices for that long without chilling them and replacing the blood with preservatives to keep the bacteria at bay. Heck, I even bet the U.S. prison system sends dead prisoners back to their families sooner than that, and with their bodies preserved too.

    Shame on them, also, for (more than likely) disadvantaging students by not teaching them how to deal with fat bodies. Let's just hope every body that lands on these students' surgery/autopsy tables is thin as a twig, if the school isn't going to do anything about their curriculum's flaws.

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  • Panloker 2012/08/03 18:32:49
    Foul
    Panloker
    +6
    Maybe they could have used his corpse to study obesity.
  • Boo Panloker 2012/08/03 19:03:19
    Boo
    +3
    That's exactly what they should have wanted to do. Of course, it being a NY medical school, maybe Bloomberg has banned fat cadavers!
  • No One 2012/08/03 18:24:52
    Foul
    No One
    +2
    The way I see it is in order to get the most accurate results scientists are supposed to use random samples for their research and rejecting a body because it is the body of an obese person makes the sample non random and introduces bias into the research. Disecting the body of an obese person could help advance our understanding of obesity and they reject an opertunity to advance scientific knowledge by not accepting a persons body for research.
  • HarryEdwardSchnepp 2012/08/03 18:23:37
    Foul
    HarryEdwardSchnepp
    my fat ass thought of that to, so i guess i might just as well say to hell with it aye,
  • Boo HarryEd... 2012/08/03 19:04:34
    Boo
    Try a medical school somewhere other than NY. I don't believe this idiocy is universal.
  • Michael 2012/08/03 18:12:00
    Foul
    Michael
    +4
    schools, committees, governments, make stupid decisions, it was an opportunity for research!
  • overdog001 2012/08/03 18:05:14
    Foul
    overdog001
    +4
    Med students: whether you like it or not, sooner or later a fat guy is going to need an autopsy. Just because the fat makes it harder, doesn't mean you can get away with just blowing off the task. You will have to deal with all kinds. Refusing to take a free donation just because it would be "harder to dissect"? Are you in med school or nursery school? Get in there! If your equipment isn't set up to handle this, then you're a damn fool for buying the wrong equipment!

    What's next, refusing medical care to anybody you think is too heavy? Is weight-ism the new racism?

    Not only that, but instead of immediately saying no, they waited until the corpse rotted before returning it? Utterly disgusting, unfeeling to the relatives, callous and unkind response to a charitable act.
  • Boo overdog001 2012/08/03 19:06:40
    Boo
    +1
    We see what kind of people are training our physicians! No wonder people find them aloof, callous, and uncaring so often. Can't wait to hear what kind of bedside manner this school will be turning out.
  • Cat overdog001 2012/08/03 21:12:17 (edited)
    Cat
    +1
    I can see the writing on the wall. I've been on a strict diet for many months. The heavier I was the less respect I was given, even by medical personnel.

    Weightism is alive and well in America. I see it daily.

    I lost 76 pounds in 11 months and still have more than 100 yet to go.
  • overdog001 Cat 2012/08/06 17:12:59
    overdog001
    I wish you the best of luck. I, too, have a long way to go.
  • Just Jenn for Now 2012/08/03 17:35:33
    Foul
    Just Jenn for Now
    +5
    How else are future pathologists and morticians going to learn how to ready the body and perform autopsies on larger individuals?? Or even aspiring doctors when they need to perform surgery on an obese patient?

    With the high percentage of overweight Americans, wouldn't they be all over this rather than cast it aside?? This isn't the first obese human to pass away and will not be the last. I suppose we'd rather just throw these students to the wolves when their job comes around and leave them to sloppily tend to an overweight/obese person while scratching their heads.

    What idiots. That's all I've got to say.
  • A Founding Father 2012/08/03 17:22:54
    Fair
    A Founding Father
    +4
    Can you imagine having to deal with 200 pounds of rancid fat for a month of dissecting the rotting mess? Fat doesn't embalm very well, lacking blood supply to hold the fluids. So, off to the dumpster with George. Better luck next time.
  • overzero A Found... 2012/08/03 20:06:45
    overzero
    Sounds a bit like talking to a politician!...
  • gstrahan A Found... 2012/08/03 20:42:45
    gstrahan
    +2
    The main problem for me is they kept the body for 13 days without preserving it. If they had size requirements, he should've been turned down from the start or returned to the family in 1 day.
  • A Found... gstrahan 2012/08/04 00:59:03
    A Founding Father
    Your opinion, which is understood. However, that didn't happen, so their choice is their business. Actually, the corpse might have been partially embalmed, but would still have
    badly decayed in two weeks, owing to the fat layers that don't preserve very well. Sad, but George was dead and never knew what happened to his flesh. Whether planted in the ground, cremated, or left for the vultures, it's all the same. When life ends, all that is left is decay in some manner.
  • gstrahan A Found... 2012/08/04 04:30:10
    gstrahan
    When life ends, what's left is the family and friends of the deceased. How a persons remains are treated can give the family and friends peace of mind or emotional devastation.
  • A Found... gstrahan 2012/08/04 05:12:00 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    Certainly true. Now, a smuck lawyer and a sly family can make a lawsuit and claim "emotional devastation" and all will be better when the medical school gives them all a lot of money. Nothing like a lawsuit to provide comfort to a grieving family.
  • Sophia0... A Found... 2012/08/05 04:09:02
  • A Found... Sophia0... 2012/08/05 04:26:17 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    You introduce yourself as a juvenile, perhaps 13 or 14 years old, beginning with the first identified of childhood, the "F" word. Then, you affirm that identity with more vulgar nonsense. I am you father, and I will spank you good when you get home tonight.

    Sorry to tell you, but decay begins within five minutes of the time the blood stops circulating. The process is rapid, increased by the bacteria already boiling in the body, and the 90 degree plus temperature of the human body. Within a couple of hours the whole thing is beginning to turn to jelly. The family obviously didn't "follow up" on old George's wishes very carefully, did they. Of course the school could have, should have, treated Geroge with more respect. But, they didn't, and there is nothing we can do about that. He is now safely in a "URN", about 1 1/2 pounds of ash and bits of bone and teeth. So long, Geroge, rest well!!!!
  • Sophia0... A Found... 2012/08/05 04:05:47
    Sophia030394
    Politician Alert!
  • faustbc 2012/08/03 17:15:35 (edited)
  • Boo faustbc 2012/08/03 19:08:50
    Boo
    +1
    It should violate the health code. Guess Bloomberg gave them a pass on that!
  • cddjmikey 2012/08/03 17:08:20
    Foul
    cddjmikey
    +3
    Students need to prepare for ALL possibilities in their medical futures to be the best they can. If this school believes that they will NEVER have an overweight patient then I have a bridge I would like to sell them ! I promise to give them a fantastic deal !!
  • Brendakp 2012/08/03 17:08:15
    Foul
    Brendakp
    +2
    Well, I wonder how tall he was? 300 lbs., is not really that bad for a guy. It's a downright shame they wouldn't follow his dying wish.
  • jlott069 2012/08/03 17:03:31
  • SA jlott069 2012/08/03 17:20:11 (edited)
    SA
    +5
    Do you know if his obesity was cause by being lazy or from a medical problem?

    Seems whether alive or in death this person had people labeled him. My father was over 200 pounds, but was not lazy. Far from it. At the age of 91, yes 91 he was on the roof painting our house, did gardening, maintained our home inside and outside. He had a heart attack at 92 and died 2 weeks before he turned 95.
  • krystina jlott069 2012/08/03 19:44:08
    krystina
    +3
    Not every fat person is lazy you jackass!
  • Cat krystina 2012/08/03 21:23:57
    Cat
    You are so right.

    Many handicapped people gain weight because they can't walk or bedal a bicycle or even row a boat.
    If someone is used to eating 2000 calories a day then gets injured, it is very hard to cut that intake in half. The person will always feel hungry.
    It takes month for the stomach to shrink enough. The interim months or years are very difficult. Gastricsurgery can circumvent this problem but it comes with its own set of problems as well.
  • YOMOMMA krystina 2012/08/05 14:17:53
    YOMOMMA
    And I have known many skinny bums.
  • Lizzeh jlott069 2012/08/03 20:25:10
    Lizzeh
    Dick.
  • Sophia0... jlott069 2012/08/05 04:13:05
    Sophia030394
    You should be ashamed! He may have had a disease, which would've been good for med students to study, but you don't know that, do you jerk-off?
  • YOMOMMA jlott069 2012/08/05 14:18:28
    YOMOMMA
    He donated his body to the wrong place.
  • ScatterJoy! 2012/08/03 17:00:04
    Fair
    ScatterJoy!
    WTF? If they want to use the corpse for Med Students to practice with a cadaver, and the cadaver is too fat to get to any of the vital organs, than it's a waste. Cremate him, or put him in the ground....
  • overzero Scatter... 2012/08/03 20:08:06
    overzero
    +1
    There is another option - Soylent Green...
  • Sophia0... overzero 2012/08/05 04:20:08
    Sophia030394
    It's people- erm, plankton!
  • TimothyBrianFoley 2012/08/03 16:58:22
    Foul
    TimothyBrianFoley
    he has no legitmate point to his departure
  • starlight 2012/08/03 16:38:14
    Foul
    starlight
    gives them practice, not everybody who needs surgery is gonna be skinny, maybe their not thinking straight
  • Danielle Mawson 2012/08/03 16:24:52
    Fair
    Danielle Mawson
    +1
    Sorry, thought that he was trying to donate organs... who wants fatty organs?
    I ment foul, if he was just going to be cut open and stuff like that
  • waterlady 2012/08/03 16:23:16
    Foul
    waterlady
    We know the cause of death, over eating and no exercise. If he willed his body to science and the people need a hoist to pick it up, they have the right to refuse it.
    Maybe they should send the body to a glue factory where they handle horses and have the equipment to deal with heavy objects.
  • Cat waterlady 2012/08/03 21:28:38
    Cat
    +1
    How compassionate and understanding of you, ... not!

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