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Dead Man Is Too Fat For Science: Fair or Foul?

mrosen814 2012/08/02 20:00:00
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59-year-old George Cardel from Queens wanted to donate his body to science after he died. But a medical school crushed his final wish by not accepting his corpse, due to its... er... large size.

Even worse, "the 59-year-old man’s body wasn’t returned for 13 days — so badly decomposed it required cremation." Former New York City chief medical examiner Michael Baden said it’s not surprising that a medical school would turn down an obese corpse. Baden goes onto say, “an obese person would be harder to dissect because of the amount of fat tissue under the skin."

NYDAILYNEWS.COM reports:
George Cardel’s final wish died with him — doomed by his hefty 300-pound frame. The Queens mechanical engineer had hoped to donate his body to science, but that dream was dashed when a medical school rejected his corpse because of its girth, a $2 million lawsuit claims.
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  • KeeganTheAwesome 2012/08/03 00:09:31 (edited)
    Foul
    KeeganTheAwesome
    +23


    Shame on the school for keeping the body for so long without even trying to preserve it... and after rejecting it too! Most coroners don't keep bodies in their offices for that long without chilling them and replacing the blood with preservatives to keep the bacteria at bay. Heck, I even bet the U.S. prison system sends dead prisoners back to their families sooner than that, and with their bodies preserved too.

    Shame on them, also, for (more than likely) disadvantaging students by not teaching them how to deal with fat bodies. Let's just hope every body that lands on these students' surgery/autopsy tables is thin as a twig, if the school isn't going to do anything about their curriculum's flaws.

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  • shansera 2012/08/02 23:58:43
    Foul
    shansera
    +6
    Its unacceptable they took 13 days to return the body!
  • Rock 2012/08/02 23:48:53
    Fair
    Rock
    +3
    The school is under no obligation to accept his body. They are under no obligation to accept the hardship that his corpse apparently would have created. I suspect that Mr. Cardel didn't have pre-arrangements with the school or if he did that his personal situation changed drastically.

    He did donate his body to science and everybody now knows that a 300+ lbs. man has a good chance of dying early. If he only helps one person, then his final wish has been achieved.

    The school should have returned the body sooner, but then we don't know about all the red tape. I suspect the lawsuit will be dismissed.
  • Fashionable60s 2012/08/02 23:48:33
    Foul
    Fashionable60s
    +2
    Just go to any NYC hospitals, you'll see that patients and hospital workers who are fat outnumber those who are thin. It is a fact that 60% Americans are considered from obese to morbidly obese. Obese people are harder to operate on since the fat layers make it harder and longer for surgeons to reach the organ they have to operate on. Further, when they stitch an obese person, the hands/fingers get so oily it is very difficult to stitch close an incision. Obese persons would heal slower than their thinner counterparts. Everything from gurneys, wheelchairs, beds and other equipment have to be made wider and stronger to accommodate heavier patients. Fat people cost everybody more money to treat. However, doctors/nurses need to learn how to treat more and more fat people because there are more of them now.
  • ProudCommie 2012/08/02 23:36:16
    Foul
    ProudCommie
    Exactly what Longstride said.
  • Rubyking 2012/08/02 23:29:42
    Foul
    Rubyking
    +1
    wtf lazy bums
  • La 2012/08/02 23:18:04
    Fair
    La
    +6
    Um, who cares if it was his dying wish? It's not like they rejected him in advance before he died. He's dead now. He doesn't know his body was rejected. I think people take "dying wish" a bit far. If it was my dying wish to have my dead lips kissed by Brad Pitt, it would be perfectly understandable if I didn't get it and I wouldn't expect my intelligent, rational family to sue over it. Any time you expect someone else to do something for you (in this case, cut him up), you don't have a *right* to it, even if it's your dying wish.
  • lil crazy 2012/08/02 23:14:31
    Foul
    lil crazy
    +6
    I would think that medical students should practice on heavier people too as there are plenty in real life.
    As for the lawsuit of $2 million that is a bit over the top. I do think they should have to pay for funeral / cremation expenses since they took so long to return the body.
  • Inquisitve Kat 2012/08/02 23:10:03
    Fair
    Inquisitve Kat
    +4
    "Former New York City chief medical examiner Michael Baden said it’s not surprising that a medical school would turn down an obese corpse. . . . “an obese person would be harder to dissect because of the amount of fat tissue under the skin.""

    That says it all right there... why should they take on the costs associated with a body they can't really use?
  • moonchild 2012/08/02 22:48:34
    Foul
    moonchild
    +2
    66% of Americans are overweight or obese. Don't doctors need to learn about ALL body types and diseases??

    It wont be long before doctors are refusing to treat fat people because it's too hard!

    Having said all that, what on earth is a lawsuit going to do? The man is dead, and can't benefit financially from this slight... who is going to make money off of this?
  • La moonchild 2012/08/02 23:19:25
    La
    His family, obviously.

    >It wont be long before doctors are refusing to treat fat people because it's too hard!

    Do you really, actually hold that opinion? Or were you being facetious? >.>
  • moonchild La 2012/08/04 17:14:42
    moonchild
    +1
    What is sad, is that I wouldn't put it past some doctors to refuse fat patients.
  • Wyveryx 2012/08/02 22:48:34
    Foul
    Wyveryx
    +9
    While I don't know the particular rules regarding how a medical school determines a worthy cadaver, I've got to say that this is disturbing.

    How long did it take them to decide they didn't want the body? If they didn't want it, why didn't they put it in the cooler to help preserve the body?

    I mean 13 days and then handing the body back to the family with only one option...that's a little more than foul.
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/08/02 22:46:59
    Fair
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +2
    Can you blame them? Imagine cutting through all that fat...
  • lee Anonymo... 2012/08/02 22:55:52
    lee
    the more the cushin...
  • sally 2012/08/02 22:44:26
    Foul
    sally
    +1
    They might as well get used to it since there are a lot more obese people nowadays.
  • lee sally 2012/08/02 22:55:12
    lee
    you're going to need a bigger freezer!
  • sally lee 2012/08/04 07:49:14
    sally
    and a bigger bag to put them in when transporting them.
  • lee sally 2012/08/04 16:53:38
    lee
    do body bags come in sizes?

    there's a business to be in.
  • Robshock 2012/08/02 22:43:45 (edited)
    Fair
    Robshock
    +6
    Just because you want to donate your fat ass, doesn't mean anybody has to take your fat ass!



    As it turns out, he did end up contributing to science. They discovered that a tub of lard will burn for twice as long as a stack of used tires of the same size. Plus, the tires don't smell as bad.
  • Inquisi... Robshock 2012/08/02 23:15:08
    Inquisitve Kat
    +3
    Plus the energy from burning all of that fat could power a small village!
  • Robshock Inquisi... 2012/08/02 23:47:33
    Robshock
    +1
    Yeah, like New York!
  • Common Sense Conservative 2012/08/02 22:38:57
    Fair
    Common Sense Conservative
    +4
    I'm sure I won't be the 1st to say this but had he shut his pie hole, he might still be living today and then his wish would some day be granted.
  • BobStrauss 2012/08/02 22:34:37
    Fair
    BobStrauss
    +5
    Hypothetically, let's assume that having a uniform cadaver size standard is the most efficient way to conduct a dissection class.
  • Cat BobStrauss 2012/08/03 21:35:32
    Cat
    +1
    Then ship it over to a school that trains back surgeons or foot surgeons or even brain surgeons.
    My friend's husand's body had its head used at one school and the body at another. The pieces weren't reunited until they arrived at the crematorium.
  • BobStrauss Cat 2012/08/25 23:22:40
    BobStrauss
    Sorry for her loss.
  • Cat BobStrauss 2012/08/26 02:00:31
    Cat
    Thank you.
  • wamcalif 2012/08/02 22:26:06
    Foul
    wamcalif
    +2
    Weight watchers: summer reduction special- squeeze into that casket by September!!
  • lee 2012/08/02 22:20:08 (edited)
    Foul
    lee
    +1
    imagine the lamps they could have run off his corpulence?
  • Oli 2012/08/02 22:17:57
    Foul
    Oli
    +1
    I don't get why they still can't study his body, are they forgetting obese people do exist?
  • La Oli 2012/08/02 23:21:51
    La
    +2
    I imagine the first time you're teaching a class something, you'd want to use an "average" example, not a deformed example. Eg if you want to show a class what a liver looks like, you'd grab a normal liver, not one that was ruined by cancer. I think you'd want to teach a class how to do it on an easier example, and let them get the hang of it, before giving them a challenge >.>
  • MyPaper... La 2012/08/02 23:43:05
    MyPaperBleedsInk
    +1
    No one said his body would have to be used by first-timers.
  • Corsair 2012/08/02 22:17:28
    Fair
    Corsair
    +2
    Crap, meant to check Foul. Because he's fat, he could very well be part of a study that relates fat cells and hormonal glands. I don't think the medical school was thinking hard enough about that. This could also help in studies to show what kind of food causes the hormonal glands to produce fat that causes obesity in some people.
  • Common ... Corsair 2012/08/02 22:44:17
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    LOL, really. It's not to tough to understand that if you burn what you eat you won't gain weight. And if you don't eat fatty foods you can eat more because fatty foods have more calories.
  • Corsair Common ... 2012/08/03 11:11:44
    Corsair
    Right, but what about those same type of people with an overdeveloped glandular problem. What if these same people have some type of thyroid problem that is causing them to store more fat than the food actually carries?
  • flaca BN-0 Corsair 2012/08/03 11:53:10
    flaca BN-0
    +1
    glandular problems can be fixed with drugs. The percentage of people who are obese due to glandular problems is quite small. It's an excuse overrused these days.
    Why didn't previous generations have as many glandular problems as today and why are some countries far less obese than us. Are glandular probs an American thing?
  • Corsair flaca BN-0 2012/08/04 10:00:32
    Corsair
    Drugs can also be contraindicated. Meaning they could result in other side effects. As for it being an 'American thing,' it's not. People all over the world have glandular problems that turn into tumors. There is little that medical industry can do in some of these places because they're too poor to afford a hospital or a doctor to visit their homes. But for those who can afford medical coverage it's not an issue.
  • flaca BN-0 Corsair 2012/08/04 21:53:21
    flaca BN-0
    I'm talking about obesity. Why is the US the fattest nation on the planet? glandular problems?
  • Common ... Corsair 2012/08/03 17:35:08
    Common Sense Conservative
    I've been in the weight loss business for a long time and there is one common theme for each and every person that lives in this World. IF you eat less than you burn, you WILL lose weight. I once had a lady that couldn't even register on one of my scales that went to 500lbs. She had the glandular problem since birth. Today this same lady is under 200 lbs and guess what she did to change her weight? She started working out and eating better and LESS food. Oh yea, it took a lot of work, but then again it took a lot of work for her to get to her over 500lbs in the 1st place. Many stories just like this one because of glandular and thyroid problems. BTW, I have the thyroid problem myself. I've never hit even 200 lbs ever.
  • Corsair Common ... 2012/08/04 09:33:17
    Corsair
    Weight problem is one of the symptoms brought on by an unstable thyroid. If a person has a thyroid problem it could even result in symptoms like low testosterone or low estrogen.

    Okay so, you had someone eat less and and lose weight. What do you say to someone who eats more than they should and doesn't even gain an ounce because of his metabolism?
  • Common ... Corsair 2012/08/06 01:21:18

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