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Cutting Out Circumcision Could Cost Billions: Do You Support Circumcision?

mrosen814 2012/08/21 19:00:00
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Research suggests that circumcision can cut risk of penile and prostate cancers in men, as well as cervical cancer risk in their female partners. Circumcision, for those who are unaware, removes the foreskin at the end of the penis, which would otherwise potentially serve as a haven for bacteria and viruses that can cause diseases including HIV, herpes, genital warts, bacterial infections and urinary tract infections.

In a paper in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, "a team of health economists and disease experts at Johns Hopkins cite the declining rates of U.S. infant male circumcision -- from 79 percent in the 1970s to approximately 55 percent today -- as responsible for billions of dollars spent in the U.S. on preventable infections."

Research says that the decline in circumcision has already cost the nation an estimated $2 billion. If the rates decrease to the 10 percent levels seen in Europe, "this could mean an additional $4.4 billion for the nation." According to ABC News, "the cost of treating sexually transmitted infections in both males and females that could be prevented with circumcision accounts for most of this total."

ABCNEWS.GO.COM reports:
Declines in infant male circumcision in the United States could add more than $4.4 billion in avoidable health care costs for sexually transmitted infections, experts warn in a new report.
1970s approximately 55 percent responsible billions dollars spent preventable infections

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  • Robbb Biguy 2012/09/11 20:02:34
    Robbb
    My attitude is that there is real evidence that circumcision does some real harm to the minds of some if not all infants and that it kills more infants in the US for example then SIDS, My attitude is Quite simply that it is just plain ridiculous and immoral to amputate a demonstrably useful part of the anatomy and say it is necessary just in case something goes wrong in the future. You can use the same reasoning on any part of the body. No child ever died as a result of staying genitally intact; please correct me if I am wrong. There is no sarcasm in this so far as I can make out.
  • Biguy Robbb 2012/09/12 15:57:59
    Biguy
    "I had better rush to the doctor I am already 14 years late." If you don't recognize that as sarcasm you are in a whole lot of denial,

    There is also scientific evidence that an intact foreskin can lead to greater risks of contracting some diseases, including HIV, so I think your asserting that no child "ever" died as a result of staying genitally intact is not true. But I am also not saying that a slight increased risk for contracting certain diseases means every boy should be circumcized. But I would also say there is not enough evidence that having it done causes harm in every case so that it should be outlawed. I don't care for extreme views on either side of the coin in a grey issue. There are some valid points on both sides of this issue unlike female circumcision which almost always causes the female pain and suffering her entire life.

    As I said before, my comment was just relating my personal experience with the issue. Being circumcised has not injured me in any noticeable way (my glans is still very sensitive thank you very much) and my dad had to have it done later in life for medical reasons. Why can't you at least acknowledge that for some of us, it was an okay decision?
  • Robbb Biguy 2012/09/12 20:36:47
    Robbb
    Now this is definitely not sarcasm, I doubt very strongly that infant circumcision is going to save many infants from HIV infection. And there is in fact no indication that circumcision makes anyone HIV proof, although that claim was made in a proposition to the WHO leading to mass circumcisions being done in Africa however as it turn out the infection rate among circumcised men is now greater then those that remained intact, the point here is that it makes no difference and that disease is controlled by lifestyle choices. Over a hundred infants die as a result of circumcision in the us in a year imagine how many children are lost world wide where conditions are not as good. In any case what is so extreme about the view that a child should be protected from having modifications made to his body by the removal of healthy tissue? There are no valid points on the side of removing any part of the body that is functioning properly and in so doing protects the body the way nature intended to. I understand that you are in a country where a lot of dollars are dependant on the continuation of this practice and as a result people are being constantly misled. But when you consider that when a boy is born the penis is not yet fully developed and the prepuce (foreskin) is still fused to th...
    Now this is definitely not sarcasm, I doubt very strongly that infant circumcision is going to save many infants from HIV infection. And there is in fact no indication that circumcision makes anyone HIV proof, although that claim was made in a proposition to the WHO leading to mass circumcisions being done in Africa however as it turn out the infection rate among circumcised men is now greater then those that remained intact, the point here is that it makes no difference and that disease is controlled by lifestyle choices. Over a hundred infants die as a result of circumcision in the us in a year imagine how many children are lost world wide where conditions are not as good. In any case what is so extreme about the view that a child should be protected from having modifications made to his body by the removal of healthy tissue? There are no valid points on the side of removing any part of the body that is functioning properly and in so doing protects the body the way nature intended to. I understand that you are in a country where a lot of dollars are dependant on the continuation of this practice and as a result people are being constantly misled. But when you consider that when a boy is born the penis is not yet fully developed and the prepuce (foreskin) is still fused to the glans penis, much like the fingernail is fused to the finger. It has to be torn loose often taking with it bits of the glans roughening and scaring it not to mention other problems. and all of this is done with a minimum of or more likely without aesthetic as these are dangerous for infants. as for your personal observation you have your opinion, however when you keep in mind that the prepuce has within it at least 20.000 specially designed nerves that add to erogenous sensitivity of the penis I cant see how your comment can be accurate. As for having to have the foreskin removed in later life for medical reasons, this is once again an American practice where the snip seems to be taken where lightly, for example the simple insertion of a catheter seems to require circumcision there. My father under went this several times and no one ever suggested that he have his foreskin amputated. Ib sugest you look at some of the information available on this subjet by people that dont stand to make a profit from the opperation.
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  • Cameleon Common ... 2012/08/22 19:09:34
    Cameleon
    learn how to wash, that is all that is needed.
  • Common ... Cameleon 2012/08/28 03:01:41
    Common Sense Conservative
    Oh yea, just wash away.
  • America... Outtolunch 2012/08/21 21:45:51
    American☆Atheist
    +1
    Conservatives don't want you to control you own body.
  • MBSVirginia BN-2 2012/08/21 19:59:22
    Yes
    MBSVirginia BN-2
    +6
    After years in the operating room, I am convinced that circumcision, when performed during early infancy, is the best prevention of later disease.
    If circumcision is performed on the adult male, it opens up a whole new set of issues.
  • Cameleon MBSVirg... 2012/08/22 19:11:52
    Cameleon
    +1
    There is no reason to mutilate an infant for the delusions of a parent. Soap and water is readily available and penile cancer is the rarest of all cancers in the world.
  • Robbb MBSVirg... 2012/09/08 06:33:03
    Robbb
    What for example and what does infant genital mutilation achieve?
  • Christy 2012/08/21 19:58:23
    No
    Christy
    +5
    I don't believe in any cosmetic procedure that is not medically necessary being performed on babies.
  • Common ... Christy 2012/08/21 20:39:58
    Common Sense Conservative
    +1
    LOL, do even know what it does?
  • Christy Common ... 2012/08/21 21:22:35
    Christy
    +6
    I know that the foreskin has several biological functions. Do you know what it does?
  • Cameleon Christy 2012/08/22 19:12:49
    Cameleon
    +2
    agreed
  • Common ... Christy 2012/08/28 03:02:23
    Common Sense Conservative
    LOL, yea. And It's not for looks.
  • littleb... Christy 2012/08/21 20:42:04
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    "Cosmetic"? The article attached never mentions the word! It describes what well respected researchers from a very famous institution have concluded. Those concerns never mention cosmetics at all.
  • Tastentier littleb... 2012/08/21 21:13:28 (edited)
    Tastentier
    +4
    The original concern was to make it harder and less pleasurable for teenage boys to masturbate. Nowadays, the reasons are either cosmetic or religious. The research is bogus and only serves as a rationalization, because the medical community can't simply admit "well, yes, we've needlessly tortured infants and caused some unnecessary deaths in the process. I guess we should stop doing that. Sorry btw".

    The above article mentions that diseases that are allegedly preventable by circumcision are 10% lower in Europe. The thing is, almost no European male is circumcised. Shouldn't the disease rate be *higher* over here? If you look at the statistics, you will see that the opposite is the case. This alone should tell you that circumcision has no real health benefits.

    PS: The research that "proves" the lower HIV risk was conducted in African countries, where poor people can't afford to have their infants circumcised. This means that circumcised men are born into families with a higher socioeconomic status, get a better education and have better job opportunities. They're better informed about STD risks and safe sex, and have no reason to prostitute themselves. Of course that lowers their HIV risk. Their missing foreskin has nothing to do with it.
  • littleb... Tastentier 2012/08/21 21:24:21
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    You are saying NO Jewish Males in Europe are circumcised? Also I see you leave out the conclusions based on inside the United States. What "Research" are you referring to? Clearly the gentleman at John Hopkins which is a World recognized leader in medical research refutes research done elsewhere. As for the comment about their virtually being none there is simply not true!
  • Robbb littleb... 2012/09/08 06:41:16
    Robbb
    Why don’t you grow up More then 80% of the world’s men are intact. That must tell you something. Any information that comes from the US medical industry is not beyond suspicion as they are making billions from the infant mutilation business. They even sell foreskins to the cosmetic industry.
  • Mikey Tastentier 2012/08/22 21:05:58
    Mikey
    +1
    Ha! Nothing's going to stop a boy from masturbating! Is that why I got cut, mom? You wasted your money.
  • Robbb Tastentier 2012/09/08 06:41:01
    Robbb
    +1
    The fact is though that the men that are circumcised in Africa now have a higher HIV rate. The research was skewed and incomplete.
  • littleb... Robbb 2012/09/08 16:37:45
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    Where are you're "facts" to support this? You must have some? You refute everyone others have given yet post none that support your allegations!
  • Mikey 2012/08/21 19:54:34
    Yes
    Mikey
    +1
    I'm no medical authority but overall I can't say it's done me any harm. I mean if you're asking should it be forbidden, oh, hell, no.
  • Rusty Shackleford 2012/08/21 19:50:35
    Yes
    Rusty Shackleford
    +3
    I support the parents right to decide, not the state.
  • mark 1 2012/08/21 19:48:29
    Yes
    mark 1
    +1
    Up to the parents
  • Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/08/21 19:48:27
    No
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +4
    And with Obamacare in place, this is how they will mandate certain medical procedures:
    "Declines in infant male circumcision in the United States could add more than $4.4 billion in avoidable health care costs for sexually transmitted infections, experts warn in a new report."
    I wont say they'll mandate circumcision, but that excuse will one day be used.

    As for circumcision, I'm not for it, and I do not like the the idea of permanent cosmetic procedures being performed on those that cannot consent. I'll leave it at that
  • Common ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/21 20:41:03
    Common Sense Conservative
    But I'm guessing you are pro choice with abortion.
  • Dan ☮ R... Common ... 2012/08/21 21:00:46 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    On the fence. I kind of would prefer it if we had technology that would allow a choice without harming the child, but I cant really decide, nor do I want to decide regarding the abortion issue. I can only take a firm stance on mandated or compulsory abortion like in china, which I am 100% against.
  • Common ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/21 21:03:21
    Common Sense Conservative
    LOL, so you don't care if a mother kills her baby but you're against that same mother having a baby circumcised.

    Brilliant!!!
  • Dan ☮ R... Common ... 2012/08/21 21:05:59
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    Perhaps you should reread. That is not what I said. If I did not care, then my stance would be much different.
  • Common ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/21 21:08:02
    Common Sense Conservative
    Do you or do you not have a problem with pro choice in America?
  • Dan ☮ R... Common ... 2012/08/21 21:51:04
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    Depends on who you are talking about. If you speak of planned parenthood, Bill/Melinda Gates, Obama, Romney, and so on, yes I have a problem. Planned Parenthood runs on our money. I dont want my money going to abortions. Obama and Romney both signed laws supporting PP and give away family planning (euphemism for abortion) at tax payer expense.. And the Gates are eugenicists that are beginning to push for China like plans.

    Just because I dont stop individuals from getting them doesnt mean it doesnt disturb me. At the very least I'm against compulsory and tax payer funded abortions.
  • Common ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/28 03:03:44
    Common Sense Conservative
    But you have no problem with a mother killing her own baby with her own dime.

    Brilliant!!!
  • Cameleon Common ... 2012/08/22 19:15:18
    Cameleon
    +1
    abortion is not related to this issue. Stay on topic
  • Common ... Cameleon 2012/08/28 03:04:38
    Common Sense Conservative
    Has everything to do with this issue if I choose to bring it into it. If you don't like it, don't reply or block me.
  • rebecca.fine.370 2012/08/21 19:39:39
    Yes
    rebecca.fine.370
    +2
    Yes, I think parents should have the right to decide whether or not to circumcise their boys. The circumcision of boys has been practiced for thousands of years, and it is also performed on the large majority of Christian boys in America. Parents of all backgrounds, white, black, asian, latino etc. all have chosen to have their boys circumcised.
  • Crypt_Heart 2012/08/21 19:36:12
    No
    Crypt_Heart
    +10
    I do not support circumcision there is no scientific or credible medical basis for it. It is a barbaric and outdated faith bound concept.

    As someone who is uncircumcised and living in a country where only 8% of men are circumcised. I can categorically state that good hygiene prevents any build up of bacteria. I can also state that being circumcised does not prevent aids. In fact in homosexual men it increases the likelihood (don't know how or why, there's also no cause and effect link). I can also state that it circumcision does not ward off herpes, genital warts or urinary tract infections. I can however and will say that being circumcised or uncircumcised has absolutely no effect whatsoever (that goes for aids/hiv if I disregard that particular study).

    I question the experts at the John Hopkins Hospital and ask for their data.

    Circumcision I'll repeat does not decrease STI's (at least not directly. That'd be like saying, removing my toe nails would prevent bunions or something )

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.co...
    http://110.164.68.227/homelib...
    http://bases.bireme.br/cgi-bi...
    http://ijsa.rsmjournals.com/c...

    In fact the only credible argument for circumcision to prevent STI's is because removing the foreskin makes sex less comfortable. However rates of AID's are rising i...

    I do not support circumcision there is no scientific or credible medical basis for it. It is a barbaric and outdated faith bound concept.

    As someone who is uncircumcised and living in a country where only 8% of men are circumcised. I can categorically state that good hygiene prevents any build up of bacteria. I can also state that being circumcised does not prevent aids. In fact in homosexual men it increases the likelihood (don't know how or why, there's also no cause and effect link). I can also state that it circumcision does not ward off herpes, genital warts or urinary tract infections. I can however and will say that being circumcised or uncircumcised has absolutely no effect whatsoever (that goes for aids/hiv if I disregard that particular study).

    I question the experts at the John Hopkins Hospital and ask for their data.

    Circumcision I'll repeat does not decrease STI's (at least not directly. That'd be like saying, removing my toe nails would prevent bunions or something )

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.co...
    http://110.164.68.227/homelib...
    http://bases.bireme.br/cgi-bi...
    http://ijsa.rsmjournals.com/c...

    In fact the only credible argument for circumcision to prevent STI's is because removing the foreskin makes sex less comfortable. However rates of AID's are rising in some parts of Africa because they believe that being circumcised is somehow a magical halo barrier that prevents all diseases getting through and thus do not use condoms. -_-

    The evidence that I've found 'for' circumcision generally comes from American states known for their religious attitudes and prevalence of circumcision already exists there, done by hospitals that get an awful lot of money from Circumcision each year. Finding the bias is particularly easy.
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  • kneedra... Crypt_H... 2012/08/21 20:10:28
    kneedragon76
    +1
    Your just mad because yours was too small for the dr to risk cutting off too much
  • Crypt_H... kneedra... 2012/08/21 22:43:52
    Crypt_Heart
    +2
    Ah yes that's right, contradict an evidence based post with slander...more specifically with a "phallus obsession" slander. Do you have anything more to add?
  • ««Ginge... kneedra... 2012/08/21 23:04:23
    ««Gingey, the Master Debater of Þ|-|Дэ†»»
    Now his is probably way bigger than yours.
  • Cameleon kneedra... 2012/08/22 19:16:33
    Cameleon
    idiot

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