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Creation gains in Brazil. Will that help it spread worldwide?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/02 23:27:16
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The population of Brazil grows while those of other countries
shrinks. And higher proportions of those people now believe in creation.
That is, they believe that God created human beings and the world. More
to the point, they believe that this happened 10,000 years ago, or more
recently. This trend has run for at least seven years, while Brazil as a
country grows richer, not poorer. These facts suggest that Brazil will
be a powerful force in promoting creation, and specifically young-earth creation, worldwide.


Christianity in Brazil today

Yesterday, Andrea Madambashi of The Christian Post wrote that Brazil today has more evangelical Christians, and fewer Roman Catholics.
She compared numbers of evangelicals and Catholics ten years apart. She
also noticed one thing that suggests that the trend will only get
stronger. Evangelical Christianity in Brazil is clearly a movement of
the young. The Roman Catholic Church is the church of the old.


At first glance, one might take little from this article other than
“out with the old, in with the new.” But the Question Evolution campaign
points out one thing that Madambashi missed. That is: evangelical Christians are more likely to believe in creation than are Roman Catholics. This should surprise no one. Five years ago, Pope Benedict XVI denounced as “absurd” the clash between creation and evolution.


On one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of
evolution[. This] appears as a reality that we must see and which
enriches our understanding of life and being as such.


On the other hand, said His Holiness, evolution cannot say where
everything came from, nor to what end. (Of course not. Evolution
advocates frown at anyone who dares ask questions like that.)


This is where the Roman Catholic Church stands. Yet the RCC is
yielding to the evangelical movement. And that movement is not so quick
to believe the “scientific proofs” that so impressed His Holiness.


Creation in Brazil seven years ago
Rosinha Garotinho, who introduced creation into public schools in Rio

Rosinha Garotinho, Governor of Rio de Janeiro. Photo: Marcello Casal Jr/Agência Brasil, CC BY 3.0 Brazilian License


In 2004, Governor Rosinha Garotinho (a/k/a Rosinha Mateus) of Rio de Janeiro did something wild. She ordered that public schools in Rio would start teaching creation science as well as evolution. A year later, the Brazilian magazine Época surveyed the general public.


The results probably shocked them. Only nine percent of their sample accepted the strict naturalistic view of human origin.
Fifty-four percent accepted old-earth creation, the idea that man
appears millions of years ago but changed only as God said he would
change. Thirty-one percent accepted young-earth creation.


Furthermore, 89 percent of the sample agreed with what Governor
Garotinho did. 75 percent of the sample even said that creation should replace evolution in the schools.


Detractors of creation were quick to excuse the results. A government
official blamed the wording of the survey. The head of the Brazilian
Association for the Advancement of Science called the results a sign of
poor-quality science education. But if that were true, then fewer people
with advanced degrees should believe in creation than people without.
(God forbid they should simply be wrong and the people finally getting
wise to them!)


The survey results did not bear this out. Only ten percent of advanced degree holders accepted the naturalistic view, and six percent of non-holders.


Creation in Brazil and elsewhere moving forward

Consider, then, the trends. A politician in Brazil introduces creation into public schools. And the people say, in effect,


Go for it!


Seven years later comes evidence that young people in Brazil are
embracing a new church movement that welcomes young-earth creation
thought. And no one can, with justice, lay this to poor education.


Brazil is not even a poor country. It is rich, and getting richer. And some of them are spending their money to promote creation and “question evolution.”

Eric Kaufman (see video in original article) recently told a secular audience that “the religious [shall] inherit the earth.” The reason: secular countries are not even having enough children to replace those who die every year. Their populations are shrinking, while populations in highly religious countries, like Brazil, are growing.

Creation advocates in Brazil are cooperating with creation advocates in the United States and elsewhere. The Question Evolution campaign is not the only example. The Northwest Creation Network’s “Encyclopedia of Creation Science” (CreationWiki) opened a Portuguese site three years ago. A Brazilian émigrée to the United States was its first contributor. This year, a Brazilian resident took that site over and started to expand it. This might or might not be significant: he was born in Rio, the same State where Rosinha Garotinho now governs.

OK. What say you? Will this help spread belief in creation to the rest of the world?

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  • Pat 2012/07/03 01:41:46 (edited)
    No.
    Pat
    +9
    All this means is that the rest of the world is becoming as bat s--t crazy as the evangelicals in the U. S.


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  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/04 20:40:38
    Radical Ed
    +1
    Again sudden death can be caused by a lot of things: heart attack, suffocation, aneurism, poison, being killed by a predator etc etc. Fossilization actually can occur just from an organism dying in a location where it can be submerged, usually by water or mud but maybe even within a desert or tundra biome. sudden death is not a requirement as all that is fossilized are the bones.
  • Temlako... Radical Ed 2012/07/04 21:17:31
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Too many sudden deaths, each complicating the explanation of the fossil record yet the more.

    When a very simple explanation would fit every observed fact.

    You know Occam's Razor as well as I do. (Or you should.)
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/04 21:23:45 (edited)
    Radical Ed
    +1
    I am aware of Occam's razor and those examples are relatively simple. a complex death would be an organism slowly dieing of an extremely rare disease that both poisoned the body while clotting the blood.
  • Temlako... Radical Ed 2012/07/04 21:27:59
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    You forget: when you put them all together, you get a complex event.
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/04 21:31:39
    Radical Ed
    +1
    i never said they were all together, a single one of those is a simple and easily explainable death.
  • Temlako... Radical Ed 2012/07/04 21:47:26
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    The problem is: you have to put them all together. You cannot consider any one of them in isolation. In statistical terms, that is just plain cheating.
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/04 22:01:36
    Radical Ed
    I am pointing out a an small tip of the possibilities that could cause death, it may a single cause or a combination of two or more. what would be your assumption for cause of death?
  • Temlako... Radical Ed 2012/07/04 22:04:39
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    In all cases, the cause of death is: sudden burial under a crushing weight of mud, in a flood that moves swiftly enough to kill things before they have time to drown.
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/04 22:08:07
    Radical Ed
    +1
    and that is not a statistical cheating? explaining every single death by and fossilization by a flood. not multiple flood or anything. just one flood... are you serious?
  • Temlako... Radical Ed 2012/07/04 22:11:00
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Not if I have a simple-enough explanation for the event that causes all those deaths.

    And I have. Or at least, my favorite source has.

    Want more detail?

    http://creationsciencehalloff...
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/04 22:12:11
    Radical Ed
    is this the hydroplate with the canopy or several miles underground?
  • Temlako... Radical Ed 2012/07/05 00:00:51
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Of course you didn't say that they were all together. The idea that those deaths occurred all at once is a chance you dare not take. It would destroy your narrative.

    So you say above that only bone is subject to fossilization. I named you, also above, two cases in which muscle and even blood vessels survived.
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/05 05:39:27 (edited)
    Radical Ed
    i do not see it, please provide it again.
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/05 06:00:23
    Radical Ed
    Every geologist knows that there are layers built upon one another, sedimentation, through which we can identify if a flood occurred within a certain time. Fossils are not found on a single strata but at different layers. because these build up over millions of years then it can be easily seen that a single tremendous flood did not cause the death of every single fossilized organism.
  • Temlako... Radical Ed 2012/07/04 23:58:14
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    Then tell me this: how can you explain the discovery of a fossilized shrimp--with *meat in that shell that was still fresh*? How do you explain the discovery of a hind limb of a T. rex with *fresh soft tissue*? Most of the time, fossilization destroys soft tissue--but not all.
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/05 05:39:38 (edited)
    Radical Ed
    +1
    if you are talking about the so-called dinosaur blood or tissue found then i would have to say the scientist in question was misconstrued. the evidence was taken out of context as they did not find tissue but rather fossilized hemoglobin and what looked like vascular micro structures. i can provide you with a link to the actual report here:

    http://www.pnas.org/content/9...
  • Ben Temlako... 2012/07/19 09:31:18
    Ben
    "Besides, you don't *get* fossilization in any context *except* that of sudden death".

    Just out of curiosity, can you put the reference to the science research behind this as I've never heard this before and am always up for learning new things about fossilization.
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/04 20:16:34
    Radical Ed
    +1
    actually i would have to say that the flood is doubtful. the force of the water will more than likely separate the two "combatants" from one another. the deaths and position of the turtles would require their death to be instantaneous but have no forceful impact. that removes several possibilities right away.
  • Temlako... Radical Ed 2012/07/04 20:21:56
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    You're still thinking of an ordinary flood--a river that overflows its banks. How about a vertical jet, fed by a body of water half the size of the current oceans, that presents as walls of water washing over everything in their paths?
  • Radical Ed Temlako... 2012/07/04 20:25:27
    Radical Ed
    you would have to provide me with more information but that sounds similar to hydroplate, one that isn't supported by geological evidence.
  • Ben Temlako... 2012/07/19 09:28:51
    Ben
    Or an asteroid, a nearby super volcano or in the case of the turtle sex just so damned good they both suffered a simultaneous heart attack?
  • Prairie Wind 2012/07/03 07:54:42
    Undecided
    Prairie Wind
    One should remain positive, but these days, who knows where dandelions will grown. Ok, someone wound up with a pitch and what ever they tossed stuck to a wall in Brazil. Just don't drink the water and always wash your hands after the next round of diarrhea .. nope didn't say, "clap your hands" ...wash them. Michelle surely will show us the way there at taxpayer expense.
  • Ken 2012/07/03 05:42:34
    Yes.
    Ken
  • Rodney 2012/07/03 03:55:16
    Yes.
    Rodney
    +4
    This good. I believe student should be given opposing THEORIES. I stress the word Theories as both are, just that. I have never understood how the Evolutionists, who constantly claim to be smarter then everyone can buy into the whole evolution, or as I put it, Poof, magically everything is here. I don't speak literally, but figuratively. The believe that for no explanation what-so-ever, all life, earth, water and air came to be. Everything requires a catalyst. Call it the hand of God or superior beings or little green men, there is NO scientific finding of something starting from nothing.
  • Michelle Rodney 2012/07/03 04:19:06
    Michelle
    +1
    Evolution is the exact opposite of "poof" things are here. Life came from simpler life forms, which came from complex organic structures which, over a long period of time, occurred naturally just because certain atoms managed to collide with each other in their eternal movement. The atoms that make up the molecules in us are some of the most common elements in the universe. The earth itself came from dust; the remains of the explosion of a star which, over time, formed the molten planet, which eventually cooled to become "earth". Water is a simple molecule made of two of the most common elements in the universe. All these elements were fused from hydrogen in a star and scattered across the universe in early supernovas. We can go as far back as "the big bang", but we admit that we do not know YET what happened to cause the universe to begin. But we're looking. God only delays the question.
  • Rodney Michelle 2012/07/03 04:37:18
    Rodney
    +3
    LOL, oh you of simple mind. You took my words literally. Evolutionists believe that earth was created by a Big Bang. Big Bangs don't just happen. Everything that happens requires a catalyst. Evolution has NEVER theorized the catalyst that started the initial chemical reactions that created earth, air, water and life. Evolutionists skip right over that point and start from where the earth has already been created and thwere are already all the elements for life, air and water.
  • Warren ... Rodney 2012/07/03 04:49:46 (edited)
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    Wow.... Elements of water, air and life? Do they actual teach science where you come from? Not the scifi channel, you know like actual elementary school level general science?
  • Rodney Warren ... 2012/07/03 04:51:33
    Rodney
    +3
    LOL, care to match your college degrees with mine sonny?
  • Warren ... Rodney 2012/07/03 04:55:00
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    If you have any degree at all, you should seriously consider a lawsuit for fraud against the institution that issued it.
  • Rodney Warren ... 2012/07/03 05:04:04
    Rodney
    +3
    Really, this coming from you mean NOTHING! How much time have you ever spent in a classroom or staring into a microscope or into the heavens? I'll match my 12 years of post education against your Liberal Arts degree any day.
  • Warren ... Rodney 2012/07/03 05:17:03
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    Umm.. Actually I have an advanced degree in Materials Science and an undergraduate degree in engineering. I have built telescopes over 30 years ago, when i was 12 and I have designed and built components for satellites and space telescopes with 20 years experience in the optics industry. But nice guess.
  • Rodney Warren ... 2012/07/03 05:23:23 (edited)
    Rodney
    +2
    Then all you have is your OPINION on creation versus evolution. It's very narrow minded of you to not be able to see that they go hand in hand. BTW, I know engineers well and you guys are only capable of what you can find inside you calculators.
  • Warren ... Rodney 2012/07/03 05:28:04
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    After conversing with you, I'm pretty sure you don' t have any degrees at all. Am I right? I seriously could not imagine you getting through any curriculum at all at an accredited institution.
  • Michelle Warren ... 2012/07/03 05:56:38
    Michelle
    +1
    Agreed. I'm seriously doubting his ability to read a whole paragraph and absorb what it's saying at this point.
  • The Judge Warren ... 2012/07/03 09:45:06 (edited)
    The Judge
    I'm not claiming any degree but when you read his opinion did you notice her lack of grammar?
  • Doc The Judge 2012/07/03 14:25:27
    Doc
    You forgot to put the comma in.
  • Doc Warren ... 2012/07/03 14:25:00
    Doc
    +1
    Where did Isaac Newton get his degree?
  • Rodney Warren ... 2012/07/03 05:50:18
    Rodney
    +3
    Right, an MS in Botany with a minor in Mycology isn't much. neither is my MBA or the BS in Computer Science I got later or the BA in Construction Management. Then there was the Assoc in Cad/Cam and then I am a certified heavy equipment operator and a journeyman welder with gasline and underwater experience. Naw, I got no education that can match a mere engineers.
  • Warren ... Rodney 2012/07/03 05:57:42
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    MS in botany and you don't know where the water and Earth came from? Did you also study chemistry? Not all reactions require catalysts, right? Which ones do?
  • Rodney Warren ... 2012/07/03 06:02:24
    Rodney
    +3
    EVERY action has a reaction. Remember that? Every thing that happens has to have something that started the initial action. I am trying to put this as simple as I can for you. There had to be oxygen and hydrogen molecules and the environment had to be JUST right for those to cozy up together. But then, where did the oxygen and hydrogen molecules come from? Just like poor Michelle, you fail to look at the bigger picture. Stars, space, basic elements. They all had to come from somewhere and the Random argument is a lazy-mans argument.

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