Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God: True or False
Elephant Lord
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I think that God and Allah are just different names for the same being. Your thoughts?
Muslims worship Allah, which is their name for "God". But it is a god in their own making, according to the arbitrary sayings of an ignornant desert Bedouin.
That's not a minor difference in belief. It's a very major difference.
Many Muslims believe that Jesus will return to earth near the Day of Judgment to restore justice and to defeat Masih ad-Dajjal ("the false messiah", also known as the Antichrist).[4][5]
We can't do it. The very best of our best is as filthy rags to God.
Such as their ISLAM.... it fits their needs and purpose..
MOHAMMED CREATED ISLAM TO RAISE AN ARMY, FINANCIAL GAIN, AND TO LEGITIMIZE HIS SICK PERVERSIONS>>>> " CONTROL" is the ultimate end.
Christianity remodeled and recycled Pagan gods to suit their needs wants and ideology as well.
Sorry, I cannot buy that kind of mis-directed lack of thinking.
At what point do we declare the similarities to be enough to be the same person or the differences big enough to preclude God and Allah from being the same 'personage.'
Then do you decide that Allah and God are the same 'personage' because of what the Muslims and Christians believe that he is, does, or behaves? Or on what he asks or rewards?
Allah means 'Father' and most of Christianity believes that God is also known as Father. This belief is based on the creation and hence the title Father. (I believe it is because we are literally His spirit children.)
Muslims and Christians believe that their god is the one that Abraham worshiped.
Most Christians believe in the Trinity, (I do not; I believe God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are separate personages) Muslims do not share any part of this belief.
Muslims do not believe that Allah has any children. Christians believe Christ is the 'Only Begotten' and therefore that Jesus is the literal Son of God (if you look past the paradox of God being his own father.)
In summary: I don't really have an answer. I do know that the more I learn about others' beliefs, the more I realize that we share (at least than I originally thought.)
http://mormon.org/me/1GGM/
The Tetragramaton of the name for God (transitterated Yahweh(English) or Jahovah(German) appears in over 6700 places in the Bible. It has been found engraved in many places throughout the middle east.
The name Allah comes from the Assyrian culture and is an adoption of a name for the Moon God.
They represent TWO totally identification of the Creator.
Arab-speaking Christians pray to "Allah."
and what about muslims?
The Tetragamaton is the Hebrew symbol, יהוה , transiterated as JHVH or YHWH is the personal Name of God as written in the orginal texts of the Bible. In German JHVH becomes Jehovah, in English YHWH become Yahweh. In many German Churches you will find the Tetragamaton carved in the rock archways.
Tetragramm mit den hebräischen Buchstaben "JHWH" im Giebelfeld.
http://s4.postimage.org/erjcq...
The Name Of God appears in Dozens of places in European Churches.
http://www.rumburak.friko.pl/...
I would suggest that you do a little more research also on the name ALLAH.
http://www.biblebelievers.org...
This kind of history is one of my favorites areas of research.
The rest of what you've written is just obfuscation. There are many words for the singular God, in many cultures. Christians don't pray to Yahweh, do they? So is "God" a different deity? Are the Christians actually praying to a Pagan God? Or those who pray to "Deo" or "Dieu" or "Got"?
In Islam, Allah is the God of Abraham, that's absolutely indisputable. Allah simply means God. Thus, Christians who speak Arabic pray to "Allah."
The (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) term "Elohim" is use to reflect the English "god" or plural "gods" from above NOT the name of the Supreme Being as I pointed out above.
"Grammar - singular or plural
Main article: Hebrew grammar
In Hebrew the ending -im, mainly indicates a masculine plural. However with Elohim the construction is grammatically singular, (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective) when referring to the Hebrew God, but grammatically plural elohim (i.e. taking a plural verb or adjective) when used of pagan divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7).
"gods" plural, with plural verb
The noun elohim is used with a plural verb in 1 Samuel 28:13. The witch of Endor told Saul that she saw "gods" (elohim) ascending (olim עֹלִים, plural verb) out of the earth.
God of Israel, with singular verb
In the Hebrew Bible Elohim, when meaning the God of Israel, is mostly grammatically singular. Even in Genesis 1:26 "Then God said (singular verb), 'Let us make (plural verb) man in our image, after our likeness'." Elohim is singular. Gesenius and other Hebrew grammarians traditionally described this as the pluralis excellentiae (plural of excellence), which is similar to the pluralis majestatis (plural of majesty, or "Royal we").[7]
Gesen...
The (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) term "Elohim" is use to reflect the English "god" or plural "gods" from above NOT the name of the Supreme Being as I pointed out above.
"Grammar - singular or plural
Main article: Hebrew grammar
In Hebrew the ending -im, mainly indicates a masculine plural. However with Elohim the construction is grammatically singular, (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective) when referring to the Hebrew God, but grammatically plural elohim (i.e. taking a plural verb or adjective) when used of pagan divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7).
"gods" plural, with plural verb
The noun elohim is used with a plural verb in 1 Samuel 28:13. The witch of Endor told Saul that she saw "gods" (elohim) ascending (olim עֹלִים, plural verb) out of the earth.
God of Israel, with singular verb
In the Hebrew Bible Elohim, when meaning the God of Israel, is mostly grammatically singular. Even in Genesis 1:26 "Then God said (singular verb), 'Let us make (plural verb) man in our image, after our likeness'." Elohim is singular. Gesenius and other Hebrew grammarians traditionally described this as the pluralis excellentiae (plural of excellence), which is similar to the pluralis majestatis (plural of majesty, or "Royal we").[7]
Gesenius comments that Elohim singular is to be distinguished from elohim plural gods and remarks that:
the supposition that elohim is to be regarded as merely a remnant of earlier polytheistic views (i.e. as originally only a numerical plural) is at least highly improbable, and, moreover, would not explain the analogous plurals (below). To the same class (and probably formed on the analogy of elohim) belong the plurals kadoshim, meaning "the Most Holy" (only of Yahweh, Hosea 12:1, Proverbs 9:10, 30:3 (cf. El hiym kadoshim in Joshua 24:19 and the singular Aramaic "the Most High", Daniel 7:18, 22, 25); and probably teraphim (usually taken in the sense of penates) the image of a god, used especially for obtaining oracles. Certainly in 1 Samuel 19:13, 16 only one image is intended; in most other places a single image may be intended; in Zechariah 10:2 alone is it most naturally taken as a numerical plural.
There are a number of notable exceptions to the rule that Elohim is treated as singular when referring to the God of Israel, including Gen. 20:13, 35:7, 2 Sam. 7:23 and Ps. 58:11, and notably the epithet of the "Living God" (Deuteronomy 5:26 etc.), which is constructed with the plural adjective, Elohim Hayiym אלהים חיים but still takes singular verbs. In the Septuagint and New Testament translations of Elohim has the singular ὁ θεὸς even in these cases, and modern translations follow suit in giving "God" in the singular. The Samaritan Torah has edited out some of these exceptions.[8]
7) ^ Gesenius Hebrew Grammar: 124g, without article 125f, with article 126e, with the singular 145h, with plural 132h,145i"
8) ^ Richard N. Soulen, R. Kendall Soulen, Handbook of biblical criticism, Westminster John Knox Press, 2001, ISBN 978-0-664-22314-4, p. 166.
"In the Hebrew Bible Elohim, when meaning the God of Israel, is mostly grammatically singular"
While you've given up trying to claim different origin of "Allah" from "Eloh" -- because they do have the same origin.
Complete your own education here, please. Trying to call "Allah" the name of a pagan moon-god is just an inaccurate smear against Islam. Allah is the God of Abraham, same as Deo or Dieu or Got or God in all the other languages.
The same applies to the verses at John 1:1 when refering to the Word, being "a god" not "God" JHVH/YHWH. The Greek makes a very distinct difference between The Word and "God"
From the Hebrew the term Elohim is an improper transiteration into English to the word God.
You really must understand the level of translations and sources of the root texts to determine between the two different uses of the two terms and how they have been translated. And that would take an entire scholastic year of study to get them all. It took me over 3 years to finally get all of it put together in my head correctly, and I studied this almost exclusively for that time.