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Can We Love Multiple People At One Time?
- December 15, 2009 18:29:00
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With Tiger Wood's infidelities being front page news for the past week, infidelity itself has become something of a hot topic. Why do so many men and women insist on cheating on the people they have committed themselves to? Is it because monogamy is a crazy, unattainable goal?
Polyamory, the practice of engaging in multiple romantic relationships at the same time, is regarded by its practitioners as being more natural than monogamy, or to use an equivalent term 'monoamory'. Polyamorous people believe that it is possible, and indeed, natural, to love multiple people at the same time.
Polyamory should not be confused with swinging, in which couples interact sexually with people outside of the relationship without having a romantic attachment to them, nor should it be confused with infidelity in which people lie to their spouses and break the terms of their romantic arrangement in which they agreed to forsake all others, or at least not mess with their genitals.
Polyamory is best defined as a relationship in which both partners agree to some degree of openness. Some practitioners have a very open relationship in which both partners are free to love whoever they want, however it is more common for polyamorous couples to take a more cautious approach and seek a third partner, or perhaps a fourth, and then keep the relationship closed to that circle of people. This allows them to enjoy romantic relationships with more than one person without being exposed to every single sexually transmitted infection that mutates out of the disease pool.
Whilst polyamory is an interesting concept, and no doubt works for some people. (The creator of Wonder Woman lived in a polyamorous relationship with two women, who continued to live together after his death,) it's not for everyone and it's not a solution to infidelity. Why? Because if anything, polyamory requires being more trustworthy and more honest with your partners that monoamory does. When you're in a traditional relationship, the rules are simple. You don't go outside the relationship, if you do, you are a lying little cheat. When you're in a more open relationship, then you have to be able to trust that your partner is acting within the bounds you set up whilst he or she is out and about spreading his or her love around. For this reason, most open relationships have plenty of rules and safeguards set in place to try and keep the people in them safe. You may be able to pursue romantic interests outside of your primary relationship, but that doesn't mean you can have any cocktail waitress you take a fancy to.
Polyamory is an interesting approach to the problem of human sexuality, after all, it seems very strange that we accept that parents can love more than one child, or that we can feel affection for more than one friend, but we then fairly arbitrarily decide that we can only truly feel romantic love for one person. It seems to make sense that we should be more open in our romantic relationships, after all, it would save us the pain and heartache of being cheated on, right?
Maybe. Even dedicated polyamorous people sometimes become jealous seeing their partners fall in love with other people, and there are other drawbacks too, pregnancy, increased exposure to STI's, greater potential for being cheated on, (if people cheat when they're in traditional couples, mathematically, its highly likely that they will cheat when they are in triads or foursomes or quintets.) For every polyamory success story, there are plenty more that end badly. Someone lies, someone cheats, someone has their heart broken, and worst case scenario, someone ends up with a life long disease.
Ironically, it would seem that polyamory is best conducted by the sort of people who would be highly successful in monogamous relationships. That's bad news for the serial cheater.
Polyamory may be something akin to communism. In other words, it's an excellent idea in theory, but more often than not, a train wreck in practice.
Polyamory, the practice of engaging in multiple romantic relationships at the same time, is regarded by its practitioners as being more natural than monogamy, or to use an equivalent term 'monoamory'. Polyamorous people believe that it is possible, and indeed, natural, to love multiple people at the same time.
Polyamory should not be confused with swinging, in which couples interact sexually with people outside of the relationship without having a romantic attachment to them, nor should it be confused with infidelity in which people lie to their spouses and break the terms of their romantic arrangement in which they agreed to forsake all others, or at least not mess with their genitals.
Polyamory is best defined as a relationship in which both partners agree to some degree of openness. Some practitioners have a very open relationship in which both partners are free to love whoever they want, however it is more common for polyamorous couples to take a more cautious approach and seek a third partner, or perhaps a fourth, and then keep the relationship closed to that circle of people. This allows them to enjoy romantic relationships with more than one person without being exposed to every single sexually transmitted infection that mutates out of the disease pool.
Whilst polyamory is an interesting concept, and no doubt works for some people. (The creator of Wonder Woman lived in a polyamorous relationship with two women, who continued to live together after his death,) it's not for everyone and it's not a solution to infidelity. Why? Because if anything, polyamory requires being more trustworthy and more honest with your partners that monoamory does. When you're in a traditional relationship, the rules are simple. You don't go outside the relationship, if you do, you are a lying little cheat. When you're in a more open relationship, then you have to be able to trust that your partner is acting within the bounds you set up whilst he or she is out and about spreading his or her love around. For this reason, most open relationships have plenty of rules and safeguards set in place to try and keep the people in them safe. You may be able to pursue romantic interests outside of your primary relationship, but that doesn't mean you can have any cocktail waitress you take a fancy to.
Polyamory is an interesting approach to the problem of human sexuality, after all, it seems very strange that we accept that parents can love more than one child, or that we can feel affection for more than one friend, but we then fairly arbitrarily decide that we can only truly feel romantic love for one person. It seems to make sense that we should be more open in our romantic relationships, after all, it would save us the pain and heartache of being cheated on, right?
Maybe. Even dedicated polyamorous people sometimes become jealous seeing their partners fall in love with other people, and there are other drawbacks too, pregnancy, increased exposure to STI's, greater potential for being cheated on, (if people cheat when they're in traditional couples, mathematically, its highly likely that they will cheat when they are in triads or foursomes or quintets.) For every polyamory success story, there are plenty more that end badly. Someone lies, someone cheats, someone has their heart broken, and worst case scenario, someone ends up with a life long disease.
Ironically, it would seem that polyamory is best conducted by the sort of people who would be highly successful in monogamous relationships. That's bad news for the serial cheater.
Polyamory may be something akin to communism. In other words, it's an excellent idea in theory, but more often than not, a train wreck in practice.
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Monogamy = Having one wife too many.
The Roman Empire didn't collapse due to a lack of enforced monogamy.
Tiger Woods is not an example of failed polyamory. He is an example of failed extramarital affairs, and perhaps sexual addiction, if the number of mistresses coming out in the news is to be believed.
Adding a poly third (or more) to an existing couple is not about getting some on the side and is not about threesomes. The partner is aware of becoming a triad or a quad. If you, as a partner, can't imagine sharing your spouse, then the lifestyle will not work for you. And that kind of possessiveness is likely already causing problems.
The pairings in the poly relationships are not specifically sexual. It's about time during the holidays, going to the movies, taking a nice vacation, painting the kitchen walls, and mowing the lawn, just not always with just one person.
forces of Islam; thus, depriving Christianity of control of most of the then known world. Actually, Rome reached the height of her majesty and power under paganism, but fell under Christianity. (See: any World Almanac, or "World History" by National Geographic.
I've been practicing polyamory myself now for 13 years, teach classes on how to establish and conduct successful polyamorous relationships, and its practice has been growing at a fairly fast pace. It's not for everyone. It takes a lot of honesty, trustworthiness, intentionality, self-awareness, emotional intelligence, forgiveness, compassion, communication, and love. A non-possessive attitude toward one's partners is also important, regardless that our society reinforces possessiveness as an appropriate way to view monogamous relationships
One reason many people believe it isn't possible to love more than one person openly and honestly is because we've all been marinated in a societal belief system that is founded on a fairy-tale that says that there is only one person out there for us who will love only us and with whom we will live happily ever after. Clearly it doesn't work out quite as well as all that for many, and a lot of people have become disillusioned with it. More and more are choosing ...
I've been practicing polyamory myself now for 13 years, teach classes on how to establish and conduct successful polyamorous relationships, and its practice has been growing at a fairly fast pace. It's not for everyone. It takes a lot of honesty, trustworthiness, intentionality, self-awareness, emotional intelligence, forgiveness, compassion, communication, and love. A non-possessive attitude toward one's partners is also important, regardless that our society reinforces possessiveness as an appropriate way to view monogamous relationships
One reason many people believe it isn't possible to love more than one person openly and honestly is because we've all been marinated in a societal belief system that is founded on a fairy-tale that says that there is only one person out there for us who will love only us and with whom we will live happily ever after. Clearly it doesn't work out quite as well as all that for many, and a lot of people have become disillusioned with it. More and more are choosing polyamory instead in the belief that FOR THEM it is more realistic, more honest, and less conducive toward cheating. Despite what another commenter here said, polyamorists don't cheat on their partners nearly at the same rate as monogamists do - they don't have to. This is not to say that it never happens, but it's pretty rare and tends to happen with people who don't have enough integrity and skill to be honest to the degree necessary. Some even enjoy the thrill of a clandestined affair, but those who get a charge out of cheating aren't at all cut out for success at polyamory.
Another correction, the most common form of polyamory is the open diad, i.e. where a primary couple agrees to the mutual option to also see other people - *not* polyfidelity, as some call it, where a group commits to each other and doesn't get involved with anyone else.
The biggest myth of all is that polyamory is more about sex than anything else. This is simply not true. Polyamorists love and are committed to their partners. They value their relationships with their partners just as much as monogamous people do.
Interestingly, the idea of polyamory pushes a lot of people's buttons, and some tend to villify polyamorists in response to the perceived threat they feel. In reality, I'll take the honest integrity and transparency of polyamory any day over a taken-for-granted, reflexive traditional monogamous relationship. I see it as a setup that is condusive to cheating. It leaves people no room to renegotiate their relationship when over time something is found to be missing. Instead serial monogamy becomes the pattern, with the significant risk of eventual heartbreak at having to split up and start over - again.
Lastly - there is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing monogamy. It's a fine choice and works quite well for many people. The important thing is that it be an intentional choice and fully-aware commitment between partners that also allows for reassessment and values reaffirmation. Choosing monogamy reflexively because it's what everyone does, and believing that marriage is a guarantee of some kind becomes a sad dissapointment for those who don't make their decisions with more awareness. I know, I've been there myself, but I learned my lessons, and one thing I know for sure is that I'm never going back again.
Anita Wagner
http://www.practicalpolyamory...
Without the false security of monogamy's promise that the person you love needs and desires nothing more than what they have with you, people have to face the fears of investing in other people. Jealousy is fear morphed into something you can blame on someone else. Fear as it presents as jealousy, envy, anger, etc belongs only to one person- you. You have to deal with how you feel and decide for yourself what agreements and situations you are willing to invest in. Those emotions arent your partners or even their fault, so you cant blame your partner, you have to face it in yourself.
This is why poly isnt for everyone. You have to be introspective, patient and truly be your own person. You cant give into every emotional whim and take it all back later. You cant resritct your partner...
Without the false security of monogamy's promise that the person you love needs and desires nothing more than what they have with you, people have to face the fears of investing in other people. Jealousy is fear morphed into something you can blame on someone else. Fear as it presents as jealousy, envy, anger, etc belongs only to one person- you. You have to deal with how you feel and decide for yourself what agreements and situations you are willing to invest in. Those emotions arent your partners or even their fault, so you cant blame your partner, you have to face it in yourself.
This is why poly isnt for everyone. You have to be introspective, patient and truly be your own person. You cant give into every emotional whim and take it all back later. You cant resritct your partner or their interactions based on your own fears. Personally, I find rules like 'veto' and restrictions on when and how your partner can interact to be bullshit hold overs from the false security of monogamy. If someone is going to 'cheat' then they are going to 'cheat' regardless of your usually unspoken or assumed expectation. What I know is that my relationships are based on agreement and not expectations. My partners can't cheat, because there is no cheating, there is holding up an agreement or breaking it, but neither of these things is a direct reflection on me as a person. If my partner breaks an agreement then its time to look at my investment, both in that agreement and in that person and make sure that both things are still something I want.
But with someone you really love, you're totally honest with them. I think it's selfish to want more than one like that.
If you love one then claim to love another then I don't believe that's love.
That's just you wanting to get lucky.
I loved some deeply once...
The mere thought of them with anyone else made me want to resort to "Yandere-mode" and kill them both.
Sex isn't the same as love.
You can not love and have sex.
You can love and not have sex.
You can love and have sex.
You can not love and not have sex.
If I had to share the one I loved... it'd be like the genderbent version of "School Days" and I'd be Katsura.