Can Texas Secede from the Union?

sheratan 2012/12/05 01:57:47
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  • JohnT 2012/12/05 03:24:42
    No, they cannot without approval of the Federal Government, There little 100k signatures does not equal 1% of the populous of 27 million people.

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  • cjj ~ FTGOP 2013/06/26 06:53:28
    None of the above
    cjj ~ FTGOP
  • Steamtrain 2012/12/07 02:31:31
    None of the above
    They can but who's going to support them?
  • weenyboy 2012/12/06 02:57:39
    This is probably the DUMBEST question ever posed on SodaHead! Are you folks getting crazy or what? The only thing dumber are the folks who answered YES!
  • sheratan weenyboy 2012/12/06 03:32:32 (edited)
    It was more a rhetorical question than anything else. I did put a video where it was established that secession is not legal.

    I did not believe people would still say YES though and yet...
  • Joker2874 2012/12/05 23:50:33
    None of the above
    I dont know..Can Texas even do that ? What R they? The Quebec of the USA South..Que
    -bec threatened 4 yrs to secede from Canada..But never does..And with all that oil in that state..I dont think the US Gov't will allow that..But if they want 2 B there own free country.. They think it'll B so much to try it (B their own country)..Then fine..We will miss all that oil & the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders..But fine..No more federal aid & welfare support..Oh..& they can deal with the flood of illegal aliens..We'll move the border fences & walls up to New Mexico, Oklahoma, Louisiana & Arkansas borders..
  • Miss UT 2012/12/05 21:35:57
    None of the above
    Miss UT
    Who cares??? It would be a joy to watch them squirm without their Federal handouts. I would be anxious to see how they come up with Social Security and Medicare for the elderly and disabled...not to mention how they handle their next hurricane. I don't think it would take very long for TX to want back in the Federal security blanket.
  • Edbert Miss UT 2013/10/01 15:47:53 (edited)
    Texans send far more money to DC than they get back to feed and house the illegals. Also Texans know how to deal with invaders from the south, look up 1836.
  • seance 2012/12/05 17:00:06
    ive read what has been said there by others and have also heard that Texas as something writen into their constitution about being able to sperate un-like the other 49 states. i don't know if this is true or not.
  • gfreeman BN-0 2012/12/05 15:30:23
    gfreeman BN-0
    That is not one of their 'state's rights'.
  • George Zook 2012/12/05 14:31:07
    George Zook
    I believe that there is a legal way for a state to secede ... but I think it takes a lot more than a petition to do so ... and I doubt that they are that stupid ... hey maybe Mexico would take them back and depending on treaties we may or not help them ... they aren't as tough as they think they are .. they would have to rely on state militias for protection federal forces or equipment may not be available to them as as a foreign nation... depending on treaty ... and based on the last time I lived in the southwest their neighbors might not jump right in
  • antiteaparty 2012/12/05 13:34:47
    God I hope so!
  • J.MaisOui 2012/12/05 13:20:04
    None of the above
    If they put enough effort into it and had millions more people,..maybe...but seriously doubt that.If it were possible,we would have been divided long before now.
  • Rich 2012/12/05 13:14:39
    Not that I'd mind if they could. They receive more federal money than they pay in, and I feel sorry for the kids forced to undergo kooky science classes. Plus, their governor is so loony he makes Bush look like the model of logical reasoning.
  • George ... Rich 2012/12/05 14:38:38
    George Zook
    I met a girl from texas back in the late 60s and she thought that canada was part of the United States and New Mexico was still part of Mexico ... she could have been anomalous but based on the stuff I here from that state I wonder
  • Rich George ... 2012/12/06 04:38:55
    LOL. She fits right in.
  • Thank you but no... 2012/12/05 12:55:43
    Thank you but no...
    Not legally, anyhow.
  • captainquiggle 2012/12/05 12:49:19
    It can't secede unless the Union lets it go.
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/12/05 10:22:23
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    If you're an interstate truck driver, you'd better hope not.
  • Spizzzo BN-0 2012/12/05 09:53:25
    Spizzzo BN-0
    Not without a fight, anyway--as was established in our Civil War.
  • Steelshrt 2012/12/05 07:16:06
    legally, no. But I really don't give a rat's ass if they did. Good luck to them.
  • LEFT IS NOT RIGHT 2012/12/05 07:08:15 (edited)
  • BHGOzzy 2012/12/05 07:05:19
    None of the above
    Legally any state can secede from the union at any time however there are many complications with that, and very few states are capable of "going it alone". That being said, if Texas wants to do that, I for one wouldn't miss them.
  • Spizzzo... BHGOzzy 2012/12/05 09:58:57
    Spizzzo BN-0
    Not so, there is NO legal right to secede in US law. Seceding would break law. That's why we had a Civil War, and a legal outcome of the Union winning that war.
  • BHGOzzy Spizzzo... 2012/12/05 10:04:59 (edited)
    Last I knew the Civil War wasn't over the state succession (that was actually done legally) it was over the right of taxation of the Southern States by the Northern States (Southern states where being taxed to the breaking point by Northern states and being forced to sell their raw goods at highly elevated prices, which was one of the major southern sticking points that led to the secession movement to begin with.).

    Granted, the current signature page being passed around the less educated parts of Texas doesn't qualify, but they can still petition to secede if they want (and if the other 49 states don't want them in then they get to leave). The petition is, as far as I'm aware, nice and legal. Granted, the movement would probably fail before it ever reached the Texas State Assembly due to a lack of popular support.

    Though on the flip side of things... do you really want states like Texas (and the Texas Governor) to remain in the Union if they really did want out? I'd love to see how fast their economy fails and they have to come back to petition for readmission to the US (at which point the US would likely stick them with some pretty harsh penalties in the treaty deal as a punishment for being that stupid). Wouldn't you love to see Rick Perry on his knees in front of the US Senate, begging to have his nation brought back into the fold before Mexico gets ideas of conquest?
  • Spizzzo... BHGOzzy 2012/12/05 10:47:44
    Spizzzo BN-0
    You heard wrong. The taxation issue was real, but minor. Secession was NOT legal--as the Union and Lincoln proved. Secession happened because The South feared Lincoln would lead the North into banning slavery. The War was in large part fought over the right to secede (in the beginning), as well as slavery (later on). Lincoln often said, initially, that his whole goal was to preserve the union (and prove secession not legal). He/we did so.

    As to forcing modern Texas to remain in the union, I'm not so sure. I do think that if Texas really wanted to leave and we found a way to let them go that they should be billed IN FULL for all US government items they want to keep (like land, roads, buildings, weapons, etc.), and I wonder if Texas could pay that much--at LEAST they would start out with a big deficit to pay us.
  • BHGOzzy Spizzzo... 2012/12/05 10:52:38
    I like that idea, and thank you for the correction. You're making me wanna look this stuff up and read up on it. History, astronomy, science... all so fascinating!
  • Spizzzo... BHGOzzy 2012/12/09 17:00:39
    Spizzzo BN-0
    Cool. I'm ALL for studying-up and education. The Civil War has long fascinated me. Be aware that my opinions, while fairly well informed, are still debated by high-level professors and historians (you can find stuff from them on C-SPAN online). You just can't assume Lincoln was right because he won. My own opinion tends to be that, "the War may not have totally been due to slavery--but it's likely it would not have happened if slavery had not existed." That's a judgment call, though. In fact, it was just in the last 3-4 weeks that I saw mention of the Civil War tax issue on C-SPAN (I'd not heard of it before), and while the questioner of the expert clearly thought it critical, the expert answerer made it CLEAR that it was not a central issue.
  • rikonjohn 2012/12/05 06:54:54
    The loss of the Civil War by the rebels settled this. It is illegal to secede.

    It is the settled law of the land. Those not caring for their parties loss may leave the country - no law against that - But they may not take the land that makes up American territory with them.

    That's all she wrote.
  • pantagruella 2012/12/05 06:48:03
    Texas can do anything. One Texan is worth 49 Americans.
  • Steelshrt pantagr... 2012/12/05 07:05:18
  • Lady Wh... Steelshrt 2012/12/05 11:58:04
    Lady Whitewolf
  • Drummerboy Steelshrt 2012/12/05 12:48:45
  • Steelshrt Drummerboy 2012/12/06 23:13:35
    Please enlighten me.
  • Drummerboy Steelshrt 2012/12/06 23:17:02
  • Steelshrt Drummerboy 2012/12/06 23:19:55
    No, not over my head. More like beyond your ability to explain.
  • Drummerboy Steelshrt 2012/12/06 23:21:57
  • Steelshrt Drummerboy 2012/12/07 00:11:27
    Ahh... I said more than just that so I was wondering. Have you been to CT? I have spent plenty of time in Texas.
  • Drummerboy Steelshrt 2012/12/07 02:03:13
  • Steelshrt Drummerboy 2012/12/07 22:17:41
    You just don't get it do you?
  • Drummerboy Steelshrt 2012/12/07 22:28:34

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