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Can Jesus save us while we are still consciously deliberately sinning if we say we're Christian and believe in His grace

philipemkh 2013/02/09 20:46:09
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  • Ron–Born from Above 2013/02/10 17:54:15
    No, we need to stop deliberately sinning
    Ron–Born from Above
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    This can be a tough question. I believe once saved always saved, but as Christians we do still sin, we are sinners saved by grace.

    No true Christian will stay in a state of being carnal, as one can't be carnal and say I'm a follower of Christ. A Christian can for awhile be carnal, but will not wallow it that state very long, if that person is a true believer.

    Many profess faith in Christ with not knowing what living for Christ really means. These sort of people go to an alter call in what is call easy believism, without true repentance. Then there are others that think going to church or praying makes them a Christian–this is a cultural Christian.

    Christianity is not just a state of mind, but a state of existence.

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  • ★misfit★ 2013/03/01 04:23:01
    Yes, he saves us while we're sinning.
    ★misfit★
    If He didn't, then none of us would be saved. He came to save deliberate sinners, which all of us are. He does help us to be sanctified AFTER we are saved, though. This certainly doesn't mean Christians don't sin, it just means we are no longer slaves to sin and have the desire to do what is right.
  • stevegtexas@aol.com 2013/02/25 19:02:24
  • BrianPaul4 2013/02/16 18:29:25
    Yes, he saves us while we're sinning.
    BrianPaul4
    Just have to be saved.
  • Tonya 2013/02/11 07:57:46 (edited)
    Yes, he saves us while we're sinning.
    Tonya
    +2
    We are all prone to sin because our nature was corrupted, our intellect darkened, and our will weakened by the fall. So, we have to deal with these truths all our lives. That doesn't mean we must sin or give up hope. The redemption of Christ brought us the grace to resist temptation and live lives of holiness. When you pray about this issue, remember that your baptism cleansed you of the stain of original sin and infused God's grace into your soul. Draw on that grace by admitting your sins and resolving never to commit them again. And when you fail, get up, brush yourself off and go at it again. In time you will not be committing the same old sins. You can conquer them, but it usually takes time and the willingness to hang in there!
  • philipemkh Tonya 2013/02/11 17:14:41
    philipemkh
    +1
    Thanks, that's the point that i was hoping people would reach and im glad you explained very well - that there is a goal, a general direction and we're not entitled to live however we want. we're supposed to strive to conquer sin with God's power
  • beachbum 2013/02/10 18:24:24
    Yes, he saves us while we're sinning.
    beachbum
    +2
    I don't think this is a yes or no question. I believe in once saved, always saved. However, when we are willfully going against what God teaches/says/commands, we lose the close communication with God. Christianity is a relationship - the point comes when a believer must make the decision of staying in a close relationship with God, or not. It is us to chose to move away from God, and in so chosing, we will pay a high price. That said, I would be remiss in not advising people to walk away from the deliberate sin in their life.
  • Ron–Bor... beachbum 2013/02/10 21:29:34
    Ron–Born from Above
    +1
    This better said than what I posted–Great Job!!!
  • beachbum Ron–Bor... 2013/02/10 21:33:54
    beachbum
    +1
    Wow - thnx! Coming from you that's a real compliment.
  • philipemkh Ron–Bor... 2013/02/11 17:17:40
    philipemkh
    +1
    YOu made great points.. But you said once saved, always saved. What about someone who accepted God's grace, became saved, but then purposefully and deliberately continued to sin, ignored God and didn't do His will. Wouldn't that be an example of someone not being saved, because they ultimately rejected God's grace?
  • Ron–Bor... philipemkh 2013/02/11 17:54:17
    Ron–Born from Above
    I would say that person was never truly saved in the first place. This is a great example of those that come to an alter call, but never really understood what repentance meant.

    Another example of this, is the fact during revivals perhaps 100 people sign pledge cards and say that they are saved. Then when someone from the that ministry goes back and check on these suppose conversions only 4% are found to be part of a church and serving the Lord. In fact, most ministries only expect 4% to stay the course.

    I believe that the evangelical churches are a failure in this respect. They are not teaching what true repentance means. Also, they are not encouraging them to study the Bible, and teaching how to rightly divide Scriptures. Proper hermeneutics is essential for interpreting scripture. Ministries need to teach what they are being save from. How righteousness is imputed to the sinner (justification), and sanctification, the Holy Spirit working in us.

    You can't take someone aside for 5 minutes and expect someone to understand what it means to walk in God's precepts.
  • Ron–Born from Above 2013/02/10 17:54:15
    No, we need to stop deliberately sinning
    Ron–Born from Above
    +3
    This can be a tough question. I believe once saved always saved, but as Christians we do still sin, we are sinners saved by grace.

    No true Christian will stay in a state of being carnal, as one can't be carnal and say I'm a follower of Christ. A Christian can for awhile be carnal, but will not wallow it that state very long, if that person is a true believer.

    Many profess faith in Christ with not knowing what living for Christ really means. These sort of people go to an alter call in what is call easy believism, without true repentance. Then there are others that think going to church or praying makes them a Christian–this is a cultural Christian.

    Christianity is not just a state of mind, but a state of existence.
  • beachbum Ron–Bor... 2013/02/10 18:14:49
    beachbum
    +1
    Well said.
  • Jo 2013/02/10 17:24:12
    No, we need to stop deliberately sinning
    Jo
    As best we can, But we really don't have a clear answer to this in every case, as stated in Philippians 2:12 - each must continue to work out one's own salvation with fear and trembling!
  • Lady Whitewolf 2013/02/10 14:46:57
    Undecided
    Lady Whitewolf
    The Human race needs to GROW UP.
  • philipemkh Lady Wh... 2013/02/10 17:19:04
    philipemkh
    i hope you're not inferring that i'm a child. i already have an opinion, but as someone who preaches in church time to time, i'm just doing a little research. wanted to see people's opinions.
  • MidnightCowboy 2013/02/09 23:13:37 (edited)
    Yes, he saves us while we're sinning.
    MidnightCowboy
    Nobody's perfect.
  • Stardust 2013/02/09 21:30:55
  • Cat 2013/02/09 21:13:15
    No, we need to stop deliberately sinning
    Cat
    +1
    NO, James 2:14 My brothers and sisters, what good is it if people say they have faith but do nothing to show it? Claiming to have faith can’t save anyone, can it? 15 Imagine a brother or sister who is naked and never has enough food to eat. 16 What if one of you said, “Go in peace! Stay warm! Have a nice meal!”? What good is it if you don’t actually give them what their body needs? 17 In the same way, faith is dead when it doesn’t result in faithful activity.

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