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Biblical Statement Against Gays

SexyX 2010/05/10 02:52:17
I've looked, and found, plenty of places where the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong, and they all say that the homosexuals will be punished, but I haven't actually found any place where it says that they will go to hell. If you know where it says specifically that they will go 'down under' please tell me where, or what, it says.
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  • LifeIsComedyPHAET 2010/05/17 22:37:59
    LifeIsComedyPHAET
    +13
    Here's the thing.
    Jesus died for our sins, right? So all our sins are automatically forgiven EXCEPT for the sin of non-believing (allegedly, at least, I have a theory about how that got into the bible that doesn't involve God). The 'sin' of homosexuality falls under the category of 'forgivable because Jesus died for you'

    Therefore, they don't go to Hell.
    The end.

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  • JEAN EVANS 2011/06/05 15:59:37
    JEAN EVANS
    +1
    HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG AND WILL BE PUNISHED. THE QUESTION SHOULD BE, WHAT WILL THE PUNISHMENT BE. DEATH DEATH DEATH. I HAVE A LOT OF GAY FRIENDS. I AM NOT GAY. I LOVE MY GAY FRIENDS. THEY DO NOT OPENLY THROW THEIR GAYNESS IN OUR FACES. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL, PROFESSIONAL, THOUGHTFUL, FUNNY, AND SINCERE. MY PERSONAL THOUGHT IS: TO DIE AND GO TO HEAVEN IS THE BLESSING OF ALL BLESSING. TO DIE AND BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY, SCARES ME TO DEATH.
    THEN THERE ARE THE HOMOSEXUALS. JUST TO DIE. THINK ABOUT IT. YOU ENJOY YOUR GAYNESS, KNOWING HOW MUCH IT IS HURTING GOD, BUT YOU ARE GROWN AND YOU ARE GOING TO ENJOY YOUR LIFE. ONCE YOU ARE DEAD. YOU ARE DEAD. SO WHAT, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL. THAT IS A MAJOR SLAP IN GODS FACE.
    HAVE THE HOMOSEXUALS EVER REALLY BELIEVED IN GOD AND JESUS. REGARDLESS OF YOU WERE BORN GAY OR CHANGED YOUR SEXUALITY, HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED LOVING GOD SO SO SO MUCH, THAT YOU PRAYED TO HIM AND ASKED FOR DELIVERANCE?
    THINK ABOUT IT. SAY "GOD, REGARDLESS OF WHY I AM A HOMOSEXUAL, I KNOW HOW MUCH IT HURTS YOU, AND BECAUSE YOU LOVED ME ENOUGH TO GIVE YOUR SON LIFE UP FOR ME, I AM ASKING YOU FOR DELIVERANCE, BECAUSE, I DON'T WANT TO JUST DIE.
    I WANT TO LIVE WITH YOU. IN THE NAME OF JESUS, I ASK THESE THINGS. AMEN."
  • [...] 2010/05/22 01:28:16
    [...]
    all i can say about this is its 2010 lets all show love and understanding
  • Dave In Cali 2010/05/20 19:41:51
    Dave In Cali
    +1
    Who cares? The book is a work of fiction. Want a real "biblical statement" on gays? Check out the omitted stuff all throughout the "Apocryphal writings. There is a gap in the writing from Daniel (maybe Matthew.. hard to remember now) between 34-35, where Jesus was a brought a youth in the modern equivalent of a nightie, and he showed him "the mysteries of the kingdom of god"... Sounds a lot like the mysteries Michael Jackson was handing out with sips of "Jesus Juice" over at the Neverland Ranch. It's questionable, at the very least - AND the Romans who canonized the Bible knew it, which is why it was omitted from the Bible...
  • DemonxO... Dave In... 2010/05/26 02:00:08
    DemonxOisin
    +1
    Thanks for sharing that!
  • Dave In... DemonxO... 2010/05/26 13:23:05
    Dave In Cali
    +1
    Any time! You should check out the Aprocrypha when you get a chance. Makes the whole thing seem a lot more realistic... and undesirable :)
  • Derek 2010/05/20 01:56:45
    Derek
    +1
    You're supposed to take everything (and I do mean everything) that is labelled "wrong" in the bible as a sin, even the ambiguous stuff (so we're not supposed to eat figs because Jesus hates them, but should we burn down the trees as well?).

    Which is one of the reasons why today I call myself a Satanist.
  • SexyX Derek 2010/05/20 04:49:02
    SexyX
    Lol, the Bible really pisses me off sometimes.... :P
  • Master 2010/05/19 21:35:14
    Master
    +2
    They will go "down under"? Well, I guess that's appropriate; we DID formerly use Australia as a penile colony.
  • SexyX Master 2010/05/20 04:49:23
    SexyX
    Lol :)
  • Dave In... Master 2010/05/20 19:43:06
    Dave In Cali
    +2
    "penile"... You mean English men left their dicks in Australia?
  • SexyX Dave In... 2010/05/21 07:09:33
  • psychobabe Master 2010/05/22 23:31:08
  • PDenoli 2010/05/19 20:15:16
    PDenoli
    The bible says you'll be punished for not keeping the Sabbath holy. Worrying about the spirituality of gays is somewhere down around # 65907 on my list of priorities. If it concerns you - don't engage in sex with the same gender and you'll be fine.

    I believe the bible is also fairly clear that it is up to each person to choose their path. Leave them to do whatever they want, I say. If it bothers you to sit idly by, consider this - it's possible that by trying to convince them of what they should do you're merely making them hold their convictions more tightly. There. Now you have permission to let go.

    Judge not? Yes? :)
  • SexyX PDenoli 2010/05/20 04:51:45
    SexyX
    Lol, I don't really care, but I'm just tired of Bible-Freaks telling me that I'm going to hell for being gay, so I wanted to know if it actually said that or not. Thanks for the answer!~
  • wolfshadow 2010/05/19 07:30:36
    wolfshadow
    Notice nothing was posted saying where... so in that spirit.

    The Bible also says you can own slaves. You can sell your daughter into slavery, if your child does not obey he is to be taken to the outskirts of town and stoned to death. People that work on the Sabbath are in trouble, that cotton poly blend that you wore to Red Lobster... oops another no-no... is going to get you....

    The Bible, in my opinion was meant as a guide, not a rulebook. But people who want to jump up and down against homosexuality want to do so without reading the rest of the book. I didn't choose to be gay. Others choose to eat shellfish, wear blends of cloth and work on Sunday.... hmmmm.... I wonder who really is going to hell.

  • Chaya2010 2010/05/19 06:23:33
    Chaya2010
    There are 613 mitvot (commandments) in the TaNakh (Old Testament) some positive and some negative - as far as I've understood and read homosexuality is no worse than eating shell fish or pork and is hardly mentioned and carries much less a penalty than say breaking Shabbat (Sabbath) or worshipping idols.

    I really have to question people that would believe that a God would meter out infinite punishments for such trivial things if indeed there was a God. The more I read about religion especially the Arabrahamic ones the more I shake me head it simply defies reason and logic.
  • ~♠♀She-Ninja-PandasaurusRex♀♠~
    See, Jesus died to forgive our sins. All sins are forgiven, unless you rejected God. When the Bible said gays would be punished, It probably meant the hell they would recieve on earth.
  • iralarry 2010/05/18 23:16:18
    iralarry
    So is masturbating. I am going to HELLLLLL and in a hand basket to boot.
  • SexyX iralarry 2010/05/18 23:36:59
    SexyX
    Lol, Hell is the place for me. At least I'll never need a heater.
  • MarinerFH 2010/05/18 16:54:49 (edited)
    MarinerFH
    +1
    No true Christian would want to be on the wrong side of God on anything. Galatians refers to people who live a certain way never inheriting the Kingdom of God. That means that they will not go to heaven.

    Galatians 5:19-21

    19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Couple that with Revelation 20 and one sees a rather bleak eternity for all people who knowingly persist in any way of life contrary to God, not just homosexuality.

    Revelation 20:11-15

    The Dead Are Judged

    11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Ha...

    No true Christian would want to be on the wrong side of God on anything. Galatians refers to people who live a certain way never inheriting the Kingdom of God. That means that they will not go to heaven.

    Galatians 5:19-21

    19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Couple that with Revelation 20 and one sees a rather bleak eternity for all people who knowingly persist in any way of life contrary to God, not just homosexuality.

    Revelation 20:11-15

    The Dead Are Judged

    11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    I for one know of nothing in life so valuable as to end up in the lake of fire over it. Everyone needs to make that judgement for themselves.
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  • LeifEri... MarinerFH 2010/05/18 23:17:47
    LeifEriksson
    +2
    Thanks for a really clear statement. To me, at least, "not inheriting the kingdom" pretty clearly says that you'll go to hell. Thanks for that.
  • wombat 2010/05/18 12:15:12
    wombat
    +1
    I think Jesus was Gay...
  • SexyX wombat 2010/05/18 22:59:57
    SexyX
    +1
    Lol, that would make the whole world just a little bit cooler. :)
  • wombat SexyX 2010/05/19 02:41:27
    wombat
    They would have to change the bible ....
  • Daniel 2010/05/18 11:33:53
    Daniel
    +2
    It clearly says they can't get to Heaven.
  • CindyLee 2010/05/18 04:13:22
    CindyLee
    +2
    Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

    Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

    Deu 25:16 For all that do such things, [and] all that do unrighteously, [are] an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

    I pasted the last verse for a point. for ALL that do UNRIGHTEOUSLY are abomination to the Lord. That means every one, we're all screwed, unlike man who puts some sin above others GOD does not. The white lie you told the neighbor is the same as having sex out side of marriage, as the same as killing the guy at the market.... Sin is Sin is SIN.

    Since NO ONE could follow all 613 laws in the Torah God sent his Son to die so that righteous blood could be spilled to cover all sins of the world, and by accepting that fact could one be "saved" and join God in the heavens.

    I'm not going to argue it, or debate it. You asked for verses I provided them. God laid down the rules we ALL either accept the sacrifice of the Son or we don't.
  • Jon BN-0 2010/05/18 03:33:05
    Jon BN-0
    The only reason people go to hell according to the bible is for being a non-believer. All that believe shall rise to the heavens. So gays can go to heaven if they believe? I'm pretty sure you have to repent for whatever sins you've committed though. Think about this though, the bible is a piece of literature that has been transcribed and passed down for AGES, who's to say that's even the original content?
  • Daniel Jon BN-0 2010/05/18 11:40:34
    Daniel
    +2
    Romans 6:14-16 (New American Standard Bible)

    14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

    15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

    16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
  • Jon BN-0 Daniel 2010/05/19 00:47:02
    Jon BN-0
    I don't hold the bible as credible evidence due to its age.
  • Daniel Jon BN-0 2010/05/19 10:38:42
    Daniel
    I find it credible because of its age.
  • Jon BN-0 Daniel 2010/05/20 03:09:35
    Jon BN-0
    Then we come to an impasse.
  • SexyX Jon BN-0 2010/05/18 23:01:36
    SexyX
    +1
    That's exactly what I always say, thank you!~
  • LeifEri... SexyX 2010/05/18 23:19:36
    LeifEriksson
    You should read the link I posted for him.
  • LeifEri... Jon BN-0 2010/05/18 23:18:53
  • SexyX LeifEri... 2010/05/20 04:59:59
    SexyX
    Uh, no thanks.
  • Europa 2010/05/18 03:20:28
    Europa
    +1
    Sin is between the sinner and God, it is not for us to judge. Let God to the judging, it is His job. I don't believe that the word "hell" is in the bible at all.
  • MarinerFH Europa 2010/05/18 17:04:37 (edited)
    MarinerFH
    +1
    You may be a little mixed up about judgements. Jesus says that only God can judge someone's salvation. He will do that at the Final Judgement.

    However, Jesus does tell us to use discernment and judgement regarding action. In other words, I can't judge the salvation of a serial killer, but I can judge his actions and act accordingly.

    The word "hell" is not in the Bible. However, other eternal punishments are clearly mentioned.
  • LeifEri... MarinerFH 2010/05/18 23:20:41
    LeifEriksson
    THANK YOU. You get the difference. I cringe when I see people try to say "nyah nyah nyah you can't judge because it says don't judge or you too will be judged."

    It's really upsetting. Thanks for setting 'em straight.
  • MarinerFH LeifEri... 2010/05/19 01:55:04
    MarinerFH
    About judgement Jesus does say that we will be judged in the same manner that we judge others. It's in the Lord'd Prayer too.
  • LeifEri... MarinerFH 2010/05/19 01:57:14
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