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Beware: The Hebrew Roots movement Is False Teaching

FREED Speaks Up 2010/12/29 18:26:41
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The premise of the Hebrew Roots movement is the belief that the Christian Church has veered far from the true teachings and Hebrew concepts of the Bible. The movement maintains that Christianity has been indoctrinated with the culture and beliefs of Greek and Roman philosophy and that ultimately biblical Christianity, taught in churches today, has been corrupted with a pagan imitation of the New Testament Gospels.

Those of the Hebrew Roots belief hold to the teaching that Christ's death on the cross did not end the Mosaic Covenant, but instead renewed it, expanded its message, and wrote it on the hearts of His true followers. They teach that the understanding of the New Testament can only come from a Hebrew perspective and that the teachings of the Apostle Paul are not understood clearly or taught correctly by Christian pastors today. Many affirm the existence of an original Hebrew language New Testament and, in some cases, denigrate the existing New Testament text written in Greek. This becomes a subtle attack on the reliability of the text of our Bible. If the Greek text is unreliable and has been corrupted, as is charged by some, the Church no longer has a standard of truth. They often refer to themselves as "Followers of The Way".

Although there are many different and diverse Hebrew Roots assemblies with variations in their teachings, they all adhere to a common emphasis on recovering the "original" Jewishness of Christianity. Their assumption is that the Church has lost its Jewish roots and is unaware that Jesus and His disciples were Jews living in obedience to the Torah. For the most part those involved advocate the need for every believer to walk a Torah observant life. This means that the ordinances of the Mosaic Covenant must be a central focus in the lifestyle of believers today as it was with the Old Testament Jews of Israel. Keeping the Torah includes keeping the Sabbath on the seventh day of the week (Saturday), celebrating the Jewish feasts and festivals, keeping the dietary laws, avoiding the "paganism" of Christianity (Christmas, Easter, etc.), and learning to understand the Scriptures from a Hebrew mindset. They teach that Gentile Christians have been grafted into Israel and this is one reason every born again believer in Jesus the Messiah is to participate in these observances. It is expressed that doing this is not required out of legalistic bondage, but out of a heart of love and obedience. However, they teach that to live a life that pleases God, this Torah observant walk must be part of that life.

The Hebrew Roots assemblies are often made up of a majority of Gentiles, including Gentile rabbis. Usually they prefer to be identified as "Messianic Christians." Many have come to the conclusion that God has "called" them to be Jewish and have accepted the theological position that the Torah (Old Testament law) is equally binding on Gentiles and Jews alike. They often wear articles of the traditional Jewish clothing, practice Davidic dancing, and incorporate Hebrew names and phrases into their writing and conversations. Most reject the use of the name "Jesus" in favor of Yeshua or YHVH, claiming that these are the "true" names that God desires for Himself. In most cases, they elevate the Torah as the foundational teaching for the Church, which brings about the demotion of the New Testament, causing it to become secondary in importance and only to be understood in light of the Old Testament. The idea that the New Testament is faulty and relevant only in light of the Old Testament has also brought the doctrine of the Trinity under attack by many advocates of the Hebrew Roots beliefs.

As opposed to what the Hebrew roots movement claims, the New Testament teachings of the Apostle Paul are perfectly clear and self-explanatory. Colossians 2:16-17 tells us, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come but the body is of Christ.

Romans 14:5 states, One man esteemeth on day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Scripture clearly indicates that these issues are a matter of personal choice. These verses and many others give clear evidence that the Mosaic Covenant laws and ordinances have ended. Continuing to teach that the Old Covenant is still in effect in spite of what the New Testament teaches, or twisting the New Testament to agree with the Hebrew Roots beliefs, is false teaching.

There are aspects of the Hebrew Roots teachings that certainly can be beneficial. Seeking to explore the Jewish culture and perspective, within which most of the Bible was written, opens and enriches our understanding of the Scriptures, adding insight and depth to many of the passages, parables and idioms. There is nothing wrong with Gentiles and Jews joining together in celebrating the feasts and enjoying a Messianic style of worship. Taking part in these events and learning the way in which the Jews understood the teachings of our Lord can be a tool, giving us greater effectiveness in our approach to reach the unbelieving Jew with the gospel. It is good for Gentiles, in the body of the Messiah, to identify in our fellowship with Israel. However, to identify with Israel is different from identifying "as" Israel.

Gentile believers are not grafted into the Judaism of the Mosaic Covenant, they are grafted into the seed and faith of Abraham, which preceded the Law and Jewish customs. They are fellow citizens with the saints [Ephesians 2:19], but they are not Jews. Paul explains this clearly when he tells those who were circumcised (the Jews) "not to seek to be uncircumcised" and those who were uncircumcised (the Gentiles) "not to become circumcised" [1 Corinthians 7:18]. There is no need for either group to feel they must become what they are not. Instead God has made Jews and Gentiles into "one new man" in Christ Jesus [Ephesians 2:15]. This "new man" is referring to the Church, the body of Christ, which is made up of neither Jew nor Gentile [Galatians 3:27-29] It's important for Jews and Gentiles to remain authentic in their own identity. In this way a clear picture of the unity of the body of Christ can be seen as Jews and Gentiles are united by one Lord, one faith, one baptism. If Gentiles are grafted into Israel, becoming Jews, the purpose and picture of both Jew and Gentile, coming together as one new man, is lost. God never intended Gentiles to become one in Israel, but one in Christ.

The influence of this movement is working its way into our churches and seminaries. It's dangerous in its implication that keeping the Old Covenant law is walking a "higher path" and is the only way to please God and receive His blessings. Nowhere in the Bible do we find Gentile believers being instructed to follow Levitical laws or Jewish customs, in fact the opposite is taught. Romans 7:6 says "But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." Christ, in keeping perfectly every ordinance of the Mosaic Law, completely fulfilled it. Just as making the final payment on a home fulfills that contract and ends one’s obligation to it, so also Christ has made the final payment and has fulfilled the law, bringing it to an end for us all.

It is God Himself who has created a world of people with different cultures, languages and traditions. God is glorified when we accept one another in love and come together in unity as "one" in Christ Jesus. It's important to understand that there is no superiority in being born Jewish or Gentile. We who are followers of Christ, comprised of many different cultures and lifestyles, are all of value and greatly loved because we've entered into the family of God.

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  • Rick 2010/12/29 22:11:21
    Rick
    +14
    We knew that many deceivers would come in the last times:

    "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures to their own destruction."

    II Pet. 3:16

    I've run across some of these people trying to put us back under the law. God is not finished with Israel (Rom. 9-11). The Church is an entirely different entity from Israel. The Church is a chaste virgin, while Israel is the unfaithful wife of God the Father. You cannot be both of those things at the same time. Clearly, the Church, Israel, and the Gentiles are three distinct groups of people (I Cor. 10:32). And those that are calling the Church Israel are in grave error:

    "Behold, I will make them the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie: behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know I have loved thee."

    Letter to the SEVEN CHURCHES. Rev. 3:9

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  • david morgan 2014/07/02 11:49:48
    david morgan
    +2
    the Context of the bible really matters, historical, geographical, linguistics, religious, study to make yourself approved a workman that can rightly divide the word of God
  • FREED S... david m... 2014/07/02 21:16:51
    FREED Speaks Up
    Indeed!
  • Paul Swan 2014/03/22 17:49:38
    Paul Swan
    +4
    There was a comment listed here about a person who use to be into, as he put it, the Hebrew movement but got out and listed his web site which has his testimony about it. I didn't check it out myself. Then another person posted that they wanted to visit this persons sight because he said, that his church is starting to teach this and he wanted the truth because his and his families salvation and life depends on it. HOW SAD IS THIS. Jayson, if your life and salvation and your families life and salvation depends on the truth, then why in the name of God Almighty are you putting it into the hands of a stranger on the internet!!!!!!! If you want the truth, YOU my friend will have to get it for YOURSELF praying and Seeking the Lord. This is why so many people fall into deception because they will listen to others and not find out for themselves. God called me to come out of a particular denomination and I left. Very long story short He reveled to me HIMSELF through prayer and fasting about His name and keeping the Sabbath, the Torah and so forth. I didn't know about any Hebrew Roots movement going on or even what that could mean until now.
  • FREED S... Paul Swan 2014/08/11 15:48:50
    FREED Speaks Up
    Well said. We are to study rightly dividing the Word of God.
  • w84lv 2014/03/13 11:13:03
    w84lv
    +2
    I stopped reading when you said "they elevate Torah and demonize the New Testament... That is a LIE! The "New Testament" as you call it is a continuation of the "old Testament" as you call it, we DO NOT see them as Separate as you do, YOU elevate the "NEW testament and disregard the "OLD" ....who is teaching false doctrine? Replacement Theology is... Don't LIE in the name of Christ.
  • Matt Matthews 2013/12/18 08:11:42
    Matt Matthews
    +2
    Peace/ Shalom.
    Never knew that we as brothers and sisters could argue like this?
    was this written in vain?
    " John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (KJV)
    After all Yeshua and Jesus are the same person. just like Joseph, when his brothers came to him in Egypt, they never perceived him as Joseph, but they were saved.
    "Gen 41:45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnathpaaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt." (KJV)

    Pray! ask that the Holy Spirit/ Holy Ghost/ The set aside Spirit of Living G_D אלהים 'ĕlôhı̂ym [Θεός (theos) theh’-os] guide us/ you. Just be obedient to what is laid on our heart.

    We are not all mature or babes, some on different levels, the blue light or the orange light still comes from the same light through a prism or polished diamond.

    Strive to be personally immaculate, with love towards our fellowman. make a study of the book James, this man "Ja' akob" who we know as James introduces himself as one of the lowest servants, yet he is the (half) brother of our Lord Jesus, and he is al...












    Peace/ Shalom.
    Never knew that we as brothers and sisters could argue like this?
    was this written in vain?
    " John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (KJV)
    After all Yeshua and Jesus are the same person. just like Joseph, when his brothers came to him in Egypt, they never perceived him as Joseph, but they were saved.
    "Gen 41:45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnathpaaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt." (KJV)

    Pray! ask that the Holy Spirit/ Holy Ghost/ The set aside Spirit of Living G_D אלהים 'ĕlôhı̂ym [Θεός (theos) theh’-os] guide us/ you. Just be obedient to what is laid on our heart.

    We are not all mature or babes, some on different levels, the blue light or the orange light still comes from the same light through a prism or polished diamond.

    Strive to be personally immaculate, with love towards our fellowman. make a study of the book James, this man "Ja' akob" who we know as James introduces himself as one of the lowest servants, yet he is the (half) brother of our Lord Jesus, and he is also the Bishop of the greatest early church area.

    Should we love G_D אלהים 'ĕlôhı̂ym [Θεός (theos) theh’-os] ?
    We would keep his command by being obedient.
    Should we love our neighbour?
    We would not offend one another.

    Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." (KJV)

    Yet we do have some brothers that just know a bit or just enough to be destructive and dangerous to the whole body. Likewise the Liver purifies but cannot see like the eye.

    Regards,

    Matt.
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  • Marie 2013/09/25 00:49:27
    Marie
    +2
    Your messiah whom you say you love so much......well, He preached and taught the majority of His time from the Torah, as did His disciples. Your Messiah, clearly stated that not one letter of the law was to be changed or altered. Your Messiah when asked what was the most important thing, told His disciples, "Hear Oh Israel, the Lord you God is one, Love the Lord you God with all your heart, your mind and your soul....and (you go read the rest). He did not say hear oh Christian Church. Your Messiah, did the majority of His teaching from the Torah, as did his disciples. And, the disciples did the majority of their world changing without a new testament. They taught from the Torah! HELLO! The new testament came hundreds of years later. Do your homework before you destroy something as beautiful as the ways of your very own Messiah. Your Messiah clearly stated that He did not come to abolish the law. He also spoke in the last days that the lawless one would come. What do you think He was talking about? The lawless one is the spirit of the anti messiah who has been teaching the people of God to throw out the very commandments of God. Yeshua never told us to throw out the laws of Moshe. It was never God's laws to heavy, it was man who added to the laws of God th...
    Your messiah whom you say you love so much......well, He preached and taught the majority of His time from the Torah, as did His disciples. Your Messiah, clearly stated that not one letter of the law was to be changed or altered. Your Messiah when asked what was the most important thing, told His disciples, "Hear Oh Israel, the Lord you God is one, Love the Lord you God with all your heart, your mind and your soul....and (you go read the rest). He did not say hear oh Christian Church. Your Messiah, did the majority of His teaching from the Torah, as did his disciples. And, the disciples did the majority of their world changing without a new testament. They taught from the Torah! HELLO! The new testament came hundreds of years later. Do your homework before you destroy something as beautiful as the ways of your very own Messiah. Your Messiah clearly stated that He did not come to abolish the law. He also spoke in the last days that the lawless one would come. What do you think He was talking about? The lawless one is the spirit of the anti messiah who has been teaching the people of God to throw out the very commandments of God. Yeshua never told us to throw out the laws of Moshe. It was never God's laws to heavy, it was man who added to the laws of God that made them heavy. Your Messiah, addressed a group of religious teachers about the heavy burdens never the Law itself. Your Messiah, did not stop being Jewish.... Neither did his disciples. They acknowledged that Yeshua was the son of the living God. Your Patriarch, King David, from who's loins came your Messiah, loved the laws of God, and on them he meditated day and night. David moved the heart of the Creator. You see David got the big picture. In the last 2,000 years it has been shaped and molded to look like some mismatched dysfunctional, western religion. Constantine changed the God given calendar, to his own calendar that used the names of Pagan gods for the days of the week. He changed the day of the Sabbath to Sunday. It is history. If you are happy with a bunch of pagan stuff to live by and you want to be oblivious to it and you want to keep living your life with your man made mish mosh belief system Go for it! But, don't criticize those who are trying to return respect and honor to the very foundations their faith was founded on. Finally, your opinions are very laced with anti-semitism. And, you should really take a look at that! It is not attractive at all. You cannot take from the Jewish people what is theirs and make it your own. It is an honor and a privilege to be adopted into such a beautiful faith. Your anti-Semitic, judgmental, flawed doctrine, has done enough damage don't you think? You should read about the Crusaders, or read quotes from Hitler, stating that he was only finishing the work of Martin Luther. Your anti-sematic doctrine frightens me. And, it should frighten you. How dare you, who are grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, speak of the nation of Israel and the Jewish people the way you do and you are abusing the scriptures. If you want to know and understand the Scriptures that your Messiah taught from, perhaps you should learn from the Jewish people. They are much more knowledgable about their history that you are.
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  • Myrna Sostre 2013/06/10 22:46:06 (edited)
    Myrna Sostre
    +3
    So what you're saying is that we no longer have to obey the commandments that are part of the law because they're obsolete, in other words we can kill, be unfaithful, worship other gods.. No!!! God's statutes and commandments are perpetual, what changed with Yeshua is that now we are no longer under the curse of the law which is sin and death, but we still have to obey His commandments. You sinned you had to die, now when we sin we can repent and the blood of Yeshua justifies us. Of course, the aspects that have to do with sacrifices are no longer followed, Yeshua is the lamb of the sacrifice and that was done once and forever. By the way, Yeshua is his hebrew name and He was hebrew not greek. Jesus is a greek translation of His name. The etymology of the name Jesus has its origin in Zeus.
    You can't deny that when any text is translated from one language to another there are several aspects to be considered: author, point of view, cultural and historical setting of the time in which he lived, the language in which he wrote. That is called the context and without it the interpretation and or the translation will be inaccurate. How can a greek mindset translate or even interpret a hebrew text when they were so different. You mentioned celebrating Easter. Do you know where it c...

    So what you're saying is that we no longer have to obey the commandments that are part of the law because they're obsolete, in other words we can kill, be unfaithful, worship other gods.. No!!! God's statutes and commandments are perpetual, what changed with Yeshua is that now we are no longer under the curse of the law which is sin and death, but we still have to obey His commandments. You sinned you had to die, now when we sin we can repent and the blood of Yeshua justifies us. Of course, the aspects that have to do with sacrifices are no longer followed, Yeshua is the lamb of the sacrifice and that was done once and forever. By the way, Yeshua is his hebrew name and He was hebrew not greek. Jesus is a greek translation of His name. The etymology of the name Jesus has its origin in Zeus.
    You can't deny that when any text is translated from one language to another there are several aspects to be considered: author, point of view, cultural and historical setting of the time in which he lived, the language in which he wrote. That is called the context and without it the interpretation and or the translation will be inaccurate. How can a greek mindset translate or even interpret a hebrew text when they were so different. You mentioned celebrating Easter. Do you know where it comes from? You mentioned Christmas, did you know that Dec 25 "celebrates" the birth of pagan gods. The early church was separated from its roots that's the same anti-semitic spirit that considers evil anything that has to do with Israel. I invite you to study the hebrew roots of our faith with a non legalistic mind, and I can assure you, you will be blessed with a better understanding of the God we both love.

    Shalom! Myrna
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  • chad craig 2013/01/29 01:54:33
    chad craig
    +3
    Wow! The Lord has to open your eyes to scripture!! Beware of false teachers for their are many, and when you take scripture out of context as you have done you will deceive yourself my friend. Colossians 2 when read in its entirety talks about just the opposite, I'd love to go verse by verse and look up the Greek Lex with you if you want so that you may see the truth which is the mystery of God, I don't blame you, it's not your fault your doing something out of good intention, but because your denomination(which is division by the way) has loaned you a pair of their spiritual glasses you cannot see clearly what the truth is. And the minute God gives you His set of glasses you will see it plainly. I am not, in case your wondering part of Hebrew Roots congregation, but I have seen the worldliness of the church and have separated myself from that, and through prayer and reading his word have gained insight into what Jesus and the apostles were clearly teaching. read Colossians as a whole again and again until you see clearly what is going on. Better yet read Romans 1-11 over and over with prayer and an open mind and let God show you not your Christian buddies, your denominational statements of faith but let the Holy Spirit be your guide. BEWARE NOT TO TAKE A COUPLE VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT READ IT AS A WHOLE!!!
  • Florin Bodin 2012/11/23 23:14:04
    Florin Bodin
    1 John 5:2-3:
    „By this we know that we love the children of Elohim, when we love Elohim and guard His commands.
    For this is the love for Elohim, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy...”
    Footnote: 1See 5:2, 2 John v. 6, John 14:15
    This verses do not refer to the 10 commandements but to all that can be aplied to a person or to a situation.
    What are the requirements to eat the passover, or holy comunion, outside the land of Israel ?

    1. Believe that Messiah the Passover Lamb was offered; by immersion, in the Name of Messiah that certify the believe. This makes any other ordinary lamb symbolic, as the unleavened bread that is the spiritual symbol of sincerity and truth and a special diet that prepares the believer for the summer and new harvest season.
    2. Circumcision by the heart; “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more. For Yahweh your God is GOD of mighty ones and Master of masters, the great GOD, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe”. - Deuteronomy 10:16-17;
    3. The commitments from the Apostolic Council of Jerusalem.

    3. From the commitments of Assembly of Israel are required to all believers to guard from the things of spirits (Leviticus 26:1), from the fortification (Leviticus 19:...





    1 John 5:2-3:
    „By this we know that we love the children of Elohim, when we love Elohim and guard His commands.
    For this is the love for Elohim, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy...”
    Footnote: 1See 5:2, 2 John v. 6, John 14:15
    This verses do not refer to the 10 commandements but to all that can be aplied to a person or to a situation.
    What are the requirements to eat the passover, or holy comunion, outside the land of Israel ?

    1. Believe that Messiah the Passover Lamb was offered; by immersion, in the Name of Messiah that certify the believe. This makes any other ordinary lamb symbolic, as the unleavened bread that is the spiritual symbol of sincerity and truth and a special diet that prepares the believer for the summer and new harvest season.
    2. Circumcision by the heart; “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more. For Yahweh your God is GOD of mighty ones and Master of masters, the great GOD, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe”. - Deuteronomy 10:16-17;
    3. The commitments from the Apostolic Council of Jerusalem.

    3. From the commitments of Assembly of Israel are required to all believers to guard from the things of spirits (Leviticus 26:1), from the fortification (Leviticus 19:29,21:9; Matthew 19:9), not to eat animal blood and stifle (Leviticus 17:14-16) and to forbid the bloodshed (Genesis 9:3-6; Deuteronomy 21:1-9, 1 Samuel 25:26).
    “Wherefore I consider that we do not trouble them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they
    abstain from pollutions (or offerings) of idols,
    and from fornication,
    and from things strangled,
    and from blood”.
    For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read (parsha) in the synagogues every Sabbath (rest) day.” – Acts 15:13-21; 21:21-25;
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  • RawManRaines 2012/08/07 03:33:07
    RawManRaines
    +4
    Wow this is so amazing to me. You spend all this time talking about this and you do err.
    Yeshua said "Love the Lord with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself and if you do this you have fulfilled all of the law and all the profits. You are not loving writing this. Hebrew Roots people love the Lord and so do Christians who are we to judge the heart? Yahweh said only He knows. We need to love and encourage one another and build one another up. To non believers Christianity is a big joke because by in large the body of Christ looks no different than the world. The way it is supposed to look is that they would look at us and say one to another "My, my look at how they love one another!"
    Please Brothers and sisters don't retort negatively to my cry for loving one another! Let Yahweh be the Judge of us all - let us love one another and esteem each higher than ourselves. Really the road of destruction is wide and many are they that fall prey - let's turn our hearts towards them and not let the devil and his gang distract us - if the Hebrew Roots movement will prosper let it - if the body of Christ prospers let it - We all say the most important thing is the truth. God is not a man that He should lie, He said love one another and in virtue love your enemy, why? Because it is...
    Wow this is so amazing to me. You spend all this time talking about this and you do err.
    Yeshua said "Love the Lord with all your heart, and your neighbor as yourself and if you do this you have fulfilled all of the law and all the profits. You are not loving writing this. Hebrew Roots people love the Lord and so do Christians who are we to judge the heart? Yahweh said only He knows. We need to love and encourage one another and build one another up. To non believers Christianity is a big joke because by in large the body of Christ looks no different than the world. The way it is supposed to look is that they would look at us and say one to another "My, my look at how they love one another!"
    Please Brothers and sisters don't retort negatively to my cry for loving one another! Let Yahweh be the Judge of us all - let us love one another and esteem each higher than ourselves. Really the road of destruction is wide and many are they that fall prey - let's turn our hearts towards them and not let the devil and his gang distract us - if the Hebrew Roots movement will prosper let it - if the body of Christ prospers let it - We all say the most important thing is the truth. God is not a man that He should lie, He said love one another and in virtue love your enemy, why? Because it is only Yahweh's love that can draw them. Let us so love one another that the YET to be saved will want to be with Yahweh through Yeshua. Develop your personal relationship with Him and let it be known by the fruit of your tree, humble yourselves before the Lord and rejoice that your Brothers and Sisters love the Lord and serve Him!
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  • Ben RawManR... 2012/08/09 01:14:22
    Ben
    Thank you for writing and it was very well written! What you describe is my true heart cry because I believe if I can reach a place of consistently walking it (Love) out I will achieve and experience many GOOD things (His Blessings) the Father is just waiting to give us.....contentment, peace, joy, healing, ect. Shalom Uvracha! (Peace and Blessings!)
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  • Ruth 2012/06/19 15:07:51
    Ruth
    +5
    You are wrong on so many levels, and the saddest part is that you are leading others astray and for that you will answer to the Father. I am a Believer in Yeshua HaMasiach. I use his real name and I follow ALL of the Word. Yeshua is the Torah, the Living Word and He said himself that not one "jot or tittle" is changed from the Word. I follow only the Bible, both Old and New Covenants and our congregation reads the KJV. Unless you understand who Apostle Paul was, you cannot fully understand what he he is talking about. The book of Romans is very clear about following the law whether you are a Jew or Gentile. You need only look at the wickedness that springs from the leaders of current "Christian" RELIGIONS : pride, adultery, greed, homosexuality, child molestation, etc. to know which seed it follows. If you truly follow Christ, you will walk in His Way, and he was a Jew that followed the Law of his Father. To those of you who are confused, err on the side of caution and follow ALL of His Word, lest you be considered "least in the kingdom". Shalom Brothers!
  • RawManR... Ruth 2012/08/09 19:50:00
    RawManRaines
    I want to encourage you Ben to say all you have to say and do it in positive constructive love and leave the rest to Yahweh for only He knows the hearts of men. I am sure these other Brothers love Yahweh too and I know I love Him even more now and I totally loved Him as a practicing Christian, but now that I have gotten even more and clearer truth of our Creator I instantly move towards the practices of learning more and incorporating more.
    So because the Word tells us to not argue or any really negative activity I find it keeps my peace to be a peace keeper. Some folks gotta bitch n complain cause they have not grown u enough yet and we just have to love them where they are at and be there when they call and if they are true in truth seeking they have to come to see that which we have learned too. I think there are divisions in all the body of Yeshua/Jesus the Christ and they are there for a good reason for Yahweh is a completely intentional and objective Creator and nothing escapes Him. Hence we walk by faith trusting Him completely and knowing it is His plan that we're in and because of that fact alone I am good with that for as long as I practice loving Him and my fellows to the best of my ever increasing ability, He will even turn what I mess up to good because I love Him ...

    I want to encourage you Ben to say all you have to say and do it in positive constructive love and leave the rest to Yahweh for only He knows the hearts of men. I am sure these other Brothers love Yahweh too and I know I love Him even more now and I totally loved Him as a practicing Christian, but now that I have gotten even more and clearer truth of our Creator I instantly move towards the practices of learning more and incorporating more.
    So because the Word tells us to not argue or any really negative activity I find it keeps my peace to be a peace keeper. Some folks gotta bitch n complain cause they have not grown u enough yet and we just have to love them where they are at and be there when they call and if they are true in truth seeking they have to come to see that which we have learned too. I think there are divisions in all the body of Yeshua/Jesus the Christ and they are there for a good reason for Yahweh is a completely intentional and objective Creator and nothing escapes Him. Hence we walk by faith trusting Him completely and knowing it is His plan that we're in and because of that fact alone I am good with that for as long as I practice loving Him and my fellows to the best of my ever increasing ability, He will even turn what I mess up to good because I love Him and am called according to His purpose (Which reenforces the idea that I am in His plan and He has not nor will ever forget about me. Even though it feels like it sometimes!) So I just want to encourage you to be totally loving in your thoughts taking them into the captivity of Yeshua, for out of the heart the mouth speaks and also spring the issues of life!
    Love
    RawManRaines
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  • Tony Ha... RawManR... 2012/09/26 17:31:58 (edited)
    Tony Hardin
    +1
    This sister is 100% CORRECT! Christianity as is the case with Judaism, are diseases upon mankind. You, who claim to be followers of Ha'Mashiach Yahusha, need to see that even here in these United States of America, it is the so-called Christians and Jews who set up the neo-Babylonian institution called "government", wherein their forefathers brought slaves to this continent and used them, up until the 19th and 20th centuries, when the elite decided that compulsion-based economics was no longer profitable, whereupon they induced the Civil War, and then used the 14th Amendment to allege that corporations were people, and now we are all enslaved to this criminal system of "cooperative-based economics" called "corporate America" and "corporatism". It was the "Jews", a fictional people of Babylon, who returned from the exile toting the apparatuses of ancient Mesopotamia in hand. This is where your bicameralism came from, this two-party scheme where the Democrats will, when it is their turn to beguile the people, pretend to be the "good cop", and the Republicans pretend to be the "bad cop", all the while deceiving the people to their real purpose, which is to rule this land through dialectical trickery and fraud. This is why the Federal Reserve Bank, which is nothing more than an in...













    This sister is 100% CORRECT! Christianity as is the case with Judaism, are diseases upon mankind. You, who claim to be followers of Ha'Mashiach Yahusha, need to see that even here in these United States of America, it is the so-called Christians and Jews who set up the neo-Babylonian institution called "government", wherein their forefathers brought slaves to this continent and used them, up until the 19th and 20th centuries, when the elite decided that compulsion-based economics was no longer profitable, whereupon they induced the Civil War, and then used the 14th Amendment to allege that corporations were people, and now we are all enslaved to this criminal system of "cooperative-based economics" called "corporate America" and "corporatism". It was the "Jews", a fictional people of Babylon, who returned from the exile toting the apparatuses of ancient Mesopotamia in hand. This is where your bicameralism came from, this two-party scheme where the Democrats will, when it is their turn to beguile the people, pretend to be the "good cop", and the Republicans pretend to be the "bad cop", all the while deceiving the people to their real purpose, which is to rule this land through dialectical trickery and fraud. This is why the Federal Reserve Bank, which is nothing more than an international ponzi scheme for private monololy centralized banking, has never been audited, nor ever will. Now there are 163 central banks that this government has installed all over the world, replete with oligarchies to control and enslave the peoples of those nations to this New, Not Really, Babylonian Order. So much for Christianity resembling the Jesus of the scripture. He never had a bank account, although they were avaliable. He never held public office, although He would have been elected by a landslide. And He never called for the use of "interest-bearing certificates", which are the Federal Reserve Notes, that the American people are manipulated into using. She is right, and you are 100% WRONG!!!

    I will state one thing about the "Hebrew Roots Movement" and that is, a lot of parasites/merchants/ministers have left Judaism and Christianity, and have found their way to what they perceive as the "fresh meat" of the "Final Outpouring", "The Latter Rain" of the Ruach HaKodesh. There are a lot of people trying to get rich selling the knowledge of the ancient Ha'Ibri to people, under the guise of "Hebrew Roots", when it is the same game of "use the people and make them ignorant, and then string them along", as the one who is leading, fleeces the flock.

    The gospel is true, but it is not about Judaism, Christianity, or even Messianic Judaism or the Hebrew Roots Movements. It is about the faith of YaHUaH (YHUH) which is communicated ONLY to His bachyir eklektos, a love that is eternal, and the truth which should never be packaged and sold.

    So, if you see the preachers, rabbis, pastors, whatever fictional title/name they use, setting themselves above the people, and being enriched through book and cd sales, and/or flying around, and driving hot cars, and living a life that the poorest of their congregations cannot live, you know that they are hypocrites!

    The Messiah/ Ha'Mashiach came to serve not to be served, and therein is the key!

    So, the next time you think about these cursed religions called "Christianity" and "Judaism", think of the multi-millions throughout history that have been put to the rack, torched, or brutally murdered, by the Inquisition, or of the great apostate [Judaism] which persecuted all of the prophets, and had assitance from NATO [Rome] in putting the Mashiach to death!

    You folks are getting the True Seed of Abba YaHUaH (YHUH), the bachiyr of the Old Testament and the eklektos of the New Testament or Y'isra'el Ruchani/Iisrael Spiritual confused with Judaism and Christianity, both physical religions!

    Shalom Aleichem!
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  • C Brown Tony Ha... 2013/03/05 13:42:03
    C Brown
    +2
    I like this. Where can I research more on what you have presented?
  • Florin Bodin 2012/04/19 00:45:33 (edited)
    Florin Bodin
    +3
    I give you other reasons:

    1. There is forbidden by the 1st commandment to use images of things from Heaven, from down on earth, and from below the earth. So, if you use secular images commonly accepted in Christianity just since there are other priorities, you and your children come to accept images used for worship to idols and to persecute those who don't.

    2. The first messianic with Hebraic origins in history have a vow (a promise, neder not nidre) not to enter (and serve) in a building (church) that has a cross on the roof.

    We should respect his resistance not to join the Reformat or Orthodox, churches, for this reason and that for this reason at the end of his life was made the Mission for Jews.

    3. Some Jews, other then messianic Jews, run when they hear or see about the cross since was the symbol of the Crusades and Crusaders that have come against Jerusalem over the time.
  • Jermaine 2012/03/26 08:49:20
    Jermaine
    +3
    Didnt the Roman Empire convict the sent one from the heavens..Hebron is where the testimony starts..Scripture originated in the Hebrew language,they just detected it along time ago and to stray so far from the first writings,You can say it's man made,false,or are they teaching of new man made gods?Such as the word say the would..
  • Ben 2012/03/22 00:33:12
    Ben
    +6
    I’d like to thank everyone for posting their comments because I have enjoyed reading them. It encourages and challenges me to study the scriptures more.

    2Tim 2:15 “Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

    I’d like to say that I have and strive for a love and respect for all believers because you are my brothers and sisters. My comments will NEVER be an “attack” on anyone, and my hope and encouragement is for all of us to humble ourselves before God and one another while we seek the truth.

    Jer 29:13 “And you shall seek me, and find [me], when you shall search for me with all your heart.”

    I found this article interesting and felt very compelled to respond to it. I see what I believe are some misconceptions and misinterpretations of the scriptures that I think are very important to address because many people are confused and need to know the truth. I was one of them. As we all know the only way to know the truth is through the scriptures.

    It is very easy to take scriptures out of context and teach things that are off base. Why do we have literally thousands of different Christian denominations? We have to remember always that Scripture interprets Scripture and nobody knows it all, so ...


































































































































































    I’d like to thank everyone for posting their comments because I have enjoyed reading them. It encourages and challenges me to study the scriptures more.

    2Tim 2:15 “Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

    I’d like to say that I have and strive for a love and respect for all believers because you are my brothers and sisters. My comments will NEVER be an “attack” on anyone, and my hope and encouragement is for all of us to humble ourselves before God and one another while we seek the truth.

    Jer 29:13 “And you shall seek me, and find [me], when you shall search for me with all your heart.”

    I found this article interesting and felt very compelled to respond to it. I see what I believe are some misconceptions and misinterpretations of the scriptures that I think are very important to address because many people are confused and need to know the truth. I was one of them. As we all know the only way to know the truth is through the scriptures.

    It is very easy to take scriptures out of context and teach things that are off base. Why do we have literally thousands of different Christian denominations? We have to remember always that Scripture interprets Scripture and nobody knows it all, so lets learn together!

    Just as location location location is important to real estate, so context context context is to the scriptures.

    I only want to address one issue (GOD’S LAW/TORAH) and this quote from Freed’s article. “THESE VERSES AND MANY OTHERS GIVE CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE MOSAIC COVENANT LAWS AND ORDINANCES HAVE ENDED”

    I want to show verses that I believe clearly teach that the Law/Torah HAS NEVER ENDED.

    I want to say right up front so that nobody misunderstands me; WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH ALONE.

    The Law/Torah was NEVER intended to SAVE anybody. ONLY the
    Blood of the Lamb can do that.

    The Law/Torah was ALWAYS intended to be obeyed AFTER one believed and was saved.

    I will try to respond mostly with scriptures and asking questions, and less with my opinion. I would rather let the scriptures speak for themselves. I hope that you will prayerfully consider these.

    2Tim 3:15-16 “And that from a child thou hast KNOWN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. ALL SCRIPTURE [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

    What scriptures is this talking about? THE NEW TESTAMENT DID NOT EXIST YET.

    Acts 17:11 “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY to see if what Paul said was true.”

    What scriptures did they examine? Again, The New Testament did not exist yet.

    The answer: The Law/Torah, The Prophets, and The Writings. The ONLY scriptures they had.

    Why did they examine the Old Testament Law/Torah to see if what PAUL SAID was true? Because thats what Paul quoted from. He was a Law/Torah scholar. If the Old Testament, Law/Torah, Commandments, Covenants have ended because of Jesus’s death on the cross, then why did Paul quote them from morning till evening about the Kingdom of God? Acts 28:23

    Paul clearly said that we DO NOT VOID the Law/Torah.
    Rom 3:31 “Do we then make void the Law/Torah through faith? CERTAINLY NOT! On the contrary, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW/TORAH.”

    Matt 23:1-3 “Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in MOSES' SEAT.” (PLACE WHERE THEY READ THE LAW/TORAH) “Therefore WHATEVER THEY TELL YOU TO DO OBSERVE, (THAT) OBSERVE AND DO.” (LAW/TORAH), “but do not do according to their works;...” (TRADITIONS OF MEN)

    Jesus was saying to do whatever the Pharisees tell you, WHEN THEY READ FROM THE LAW/TORAH, but not what THEY do, because THEY have added and taken away from God’s Word. MEN’S TRADITIONS.

    Deut 12:32 "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.”

    Prov 30:6 “Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.”

    Mark 7:3-9 “For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash [their] hands in a special way, holding the TRADITIONS OF THE ELDERS......Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the TRADITION OF THE ELDERS, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"....."Well did Isaiah (Isa 29:13) prophesy of you hypocrites.....And in vain they worship Me, TEACHING [AS] DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. "For laying aside the COMMANDMENT OF GOD (LAW/TORAH), you hold the TRADITION OF MEN....He said to them, "[All too] well you reject THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD (LAW/TORAH), that you may keep your TRADITION.”

    Jesus was constantly rebuking the pharisees for “REJECTING THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD” (LAW/TORAH) to keep THEIR traditions. It was the TRADITIONS OF MEN that were putting people into bondage NOT LAW/TORAH.
    Law/Torah sets people FREE FROM BONDAGE.

    Acts 21:20-24 “And when they heard [it], they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are WHO HAVE BELIEVED, AND THEY ARE ALL ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW/TORAH;.....and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but [that] YOU YOURSELF ALSO WALK ORDERLY AND KEEP THE LAW/TORAH.”

    What is sin?
    How do we identify it?
    Is there a definition?

    The DEFINITION of sin is disobeying the Law/Torah?

    IJohn 3:4 “Whosoever commits sin TRANSGRESSES also the Law/Torah: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION (DISOBEDIENCE) OF THE LAW/TORAH.”

    If sin is the transgression/disobedience of the Law/Torah, then
    TO NOT SIN IS OBEYING THE LAW/TORAH

    Isn’t that what God wants us to do?......Not Sin?
    God wants us to obey His Law/Torah. We do it by Grace through Faith!

    Eph 2:8-10 “For by grace you have been SAVED THROUGH FAITH, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus FOR GOOD WORKS (LAW/TORAH), WHICH GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.” (LAW/TORAH)

    We are first saved by grace through faith ALONE and THEN walk in obedience to Law/Torah. Not because of legalism, but because we want to and GET TO! We have a heart that wants to please The Father. The result...BLESSINGS!
    Didn’t your father have RULES to live by in your house?.....and didn’t you want to please him?....and when you did were you not rewarded?....were you a member of your family because you obeyed the rules? NO!...you were a member of your family because you were BORN INTO IT OR ADOPTED INTO IT BY GRACE.

    Jer 31:33 "But this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAW/TORAH IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE IT ON THEIR HEARTS; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

    Isa 2:2-3 “And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS,.....and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his WAYS, and we will walk in his PATHS: for out of Zion SHALL GO FORTH THE LAW/TORAH, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.” (This is in the future)

    Micah 4:1-2 “Now it shall come to pass IN THE LATTER DAYS [That] the mountain of the LORD's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And peoples shall flow to it. Many nations shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His WAYS, And we shall walk in His PATHS." For out of Zion THE LAW/TORAH SHALL FOR FORTH, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.”

    Why would Micah and Isaiah say that we will be taught the Law/Torah and it will go forth from Jerusalem if Jesus “fulfilled” the law and has been done away with? Will He do away with it and then restore it again in the last days?

    Eccle 12:13 “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: (LAW/TORAH) for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.”

    Jesus said in John 14:15 “If you LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.”

    What commandments was He referring to?

    He was quoting from Ex 20:6 “....to those who LOVE ME AND KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.” (LAW/TORAH)

    They are HIS commandments because HE wrote them.

    Rev 14:12 “Here is the patience of the saints; here (are) those WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.”

    Rev 22:14 “BLESSED [ARE] THOSE WHO DO HIS COMMANDMENTS,”

    How can anyone read Deut 30:1-20 and not see that if you obey Law/Torah you will be blessed, and if you do not obey it you will be cursed.

    Deut 30:15-16 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, "in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His WAYS, and to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, HIS STATUTES, AND HIS JUDGMENTS, that you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God WILL BLESS YOU.....”
    Deut 30:19 “....I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; THEREFORE CHOOSE LIFE (CHOSE TO OBEY LAW/TORAH).....”


    Gen 26:4-5 “...and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth BE BLESSED; BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, AND MY LAWS/TORAH.”

    Abraham FIRST BELIEVED by faith AND THEN obeyed the Law/Torah and was BLESSED. This is the PATTERN OF ALL SCRIPTURE from the beginning in the garden in Genesis to the end in Revelation.

    How did Abraham obey the Law/Torah before some say there was a Law/Torah?
    The answer is the Law/Torah has ALWAYS EXISTED. It is what God created All things with! It was represented in the Garden as the Tree of Life.

    IJohn 2:3-4 “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. He who says, "I know Him," and does not KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

    Matt 6:10 “Thy kingdom come. THY WILL be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.”

    What is Gods will? Psalm 40:8 “I delight to do YOUR WILL, O my God, And YOUR LAW/TORAH [is] within my heart."

    Psalm 119:44 “SO SHALL I KEEP YOUR LAW/TORAH CONTINUALLY, FOREVER AND EVER.”

    How long?

    Psalm 119:1 “Blessed [are] the undefiled in the WAY, Who walk in the LAW/TORAH of the LORD!”

    Psalm 119:142 “Your righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, AND YOUR LAW/TORAH [IS] TRUTH.”

    Psalm 119:93 “I will never forget Your precepts/commandments (LAW/TORAH), For BY THEM You have given me LIFE.”

    John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, "I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE.” (LAW/TORAH)

    The Way, Truth and Life = Law/Torah = Jesus.

    Was Jesus saying that He was the Law/Torah?

    Consider these scriptures that say the Law/Torah is ALL about Jesus.

    Luke 24:27 “And beginning at MOSES (LAW/TORAH) AND ALL THE PROPHETS, he expounded unto them in ALL THE SCRIPTURES the things concerning HIMSELF.”

    John 5:46-47 “For if you believed Moses (Law/Torah), you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. "BUT IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE HIS WRITINGS, HOW WILL YOU BELIEVE MY WORDS?"

    Sounds like Jesus just put Moses’s writings (Law/Torah) as equal to anything He said!
    I believe that EVERYTHING that Jesus said was from the Law/Torah.
    I believe that there is NOTHING NEW in the New Testament, it is all just true.

    Heb 10:7 “Then I said, 'Behold, I have come--In the VOLUME OF THE BOOK it is written of Me--To do YOUR WILL, O God.” (Law/Torah)

    He was quoting Psalm 40.

    Psalm 40:7-8 “Then I said, "Behold, I come; In the scroll of the book [it is] written of me. I delight to do YOUR WILL, O my God, And Your LAW/TORAH [IS] WITHIN MY HEART.”

    Acts 24:14 “But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, BELIEVING ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAW/TORAH AND THE PROPHETS.”

    Acts 26:22 “Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing both to small and great, SAYING NO OTHER THINGS THAN THOSE WHICH THE PROPHETS AND MOSES SAID WOULD COME--”

    Acts 28:23 “So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at [his] lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, PERSUADING THEM CONCERNING JESUS FROM BOTH THE LAW/TORAH OF MOSES AND THE PROPHETS, from morning till evening.”

    I believe Jesus said He came to FULFILL the Law/Torah by showing us how to CORRECTLY INTERPRET AND OBEY IT.

    Matt 5:17-19 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law/Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to DESTROY but to FULFILL. "For assuredly, I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the Law/Torah TILL ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED.”

    Does fulfill mean to end or do away with?
    Fulfill is the Strong’s # G4137 and says it means TO MAKE FULL, TO FILL UP, TO FULLY TEACH, VERIFY.

    These two words destroy and fulfill are also Hebrew idioms. An example of an American idiom would be “It’s raining cats and dogs” or “He has a silver spoon in his mouth.” When we as americans read them we know what they mean, but other cultures likely do not. The same is true of Hebrew Idioms, the vast majority of american christians don’t know what Hebrew idioms mean. By the way there is a copy of Matthew that was written in Hebrew. Google it for yourself.

    This is what these idioms mean.
    DESTROY MEANS MISINTERPRED. FULFILL MEANS TO CORRECTLY INTERPRET.
    Doesn’t that make more sense!?


    In my opinion the truth is this: “This is a subject that is really not up for debate. To say the Law/Torah, Commandments, Covenants has come to an end is like saying that breathing has come to an end.”.....or Jesus has come to an end.

    Not one covenant of God has ever ended, they have simply been layered on top of each other. God had to do that because of man continually straying away from His Law/Torah and commandments from the beginning. Again, its been the SAME PATTERN from the very beginning in the garden.

    Luke 4:4 But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, Man shall not LIVE by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.”
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  • Jermaine Ben 2012/03/26 08:00:44
    Jermaine
    +4
    Its evident how the scripture is taught and dispence that we all are lost,in truth,& in spirt..In the begining there was one speech! "Was it to keep truth and not let scripture be misused in mans thought,or beliefs..It's
    Not a mans understanding that makes scripture..Modern day science clearly backs up truth,lack of wisdom,man believing man,in other words we thrive for knowledge outweighed by deception..Pslams 68:4 states the name of him that rides on the heavens,why no one teach that,, "it's true"It's in the scripture:His name remain the same forever, So why not the Torah?(The most important part of scripture)It's also truthful to say we all seek to truth,Theological reasoning has the most part to the destruction of the word that was here first..fulfilling before man and to continue afterwards..
  • Terry Ben 2012/04/23 20:07:52
    Terry
    +6
    Ben, your comments were on the mark. In my own personal Bible study I had gotten to the point where I could no longer justify ignoring the Sabbath. (I found 30+ occurrences of, "throughout all your generations," associated with the Sabbath.)

    That eventually led me to the Hebrew Roots movement, where, as in all movements, there are some errors.

    However, I have seen completely false info about the movement touted as fact, and I find that shameful.

    The Torah is the "instructions in righteousness" (2 Tim 3:16) And, while grace has freed from the curse of the law, I choose to receive the blessing of obedience. Deut 11:26-28. I didn't choose to become Torah observant to be bound, but to be free. I am free in knowing that the appointed times and the dietary laws are ordained by my Creator. I am not Torah observant to be better than someone else, but to be secure in the knowledge that my behavior is pleasing to my Father. I love him. Just as I obeyed my earthly father and was blessed, I obey my Heavenly Father and am blessed.

    How bound are those who feel they must decorate a tree in December? (Jeremiah 10:1-6)

    The lessons learned about Messiah through observing the feasts have been rich. I never had a pastor talk about the Feast of Tabernacles or what it meant to me as a New Testament Chri...




    Ben, your comments were on the mark. In my own personal Bible study I had gotten to the point where I could no longer justify ignoring the Sabbath. (I found 30+ occurrences of, "throughout all your generations," associated with the Sabbath.)

    That eventually led me to the Hebrew Roots movement, where, as in all movements, there are some errors.

    However, I have seen completely false info about the movement touted as fact, and I find that shameful.

    The Torah is the "instructions in righteousness" (2 Tim 3:16) And, while grace has freed from the curse of the law, I choose to receive the blessing of obedience. Deut 11:26-28. I didn't choose to become Torah observant to be bound, but to be free. I am free in knowing that the appointed times and the dietary laws are ordained by my Creator. I am not Torah observant to be better than someone else, but to be secure in the knowledge that my behavior is pleasing to my Father. I love him. Just as I obeyed my earthly father and was blessed, I obey my Heavenly Father and am blessed.

    How bound are those who feel they must decorate a tree in December? (Jeremiah 10:1-6)

    The lessons learned about Messiah through observing the feasts have been rich. I never had a pastor talk about the Feast of Tabernacles or what it meant to me as a New Testament Christian. No one ever told me the significance of the Feast of Trumpets or Unleavened Bread. What life-changing knowledge!

    The Apostle Paul was Torah-observant after his acceptance of Yeshua as Messiah.
    In Acts 21 he takes a Nazarite vow. Numbers 6 gives the details which INCLUDE A SACRIFICE. Acts 27:9 - The fast mentioned was Yom Kippur.

    I do find it odd that the church leaders of today have no problem asking for 10% of your money while saying the Law is no longer in effect...
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  • Ben Terry 2012/04/29 03:02:26
    Ben
    +2
    Thanks Terry for writing! Very good points about the "Life Changing Knowledge" we can receive about the Feasts and the fact that Paul was Torah observant. I hope and pray often like Paul that more eyes will be opened and enlightened to the truth.

    Ephesians 1:16-18 ....making mention of you in my prayers: that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding [fn] being enlightened; ....
  • Tony Ma... Terry 2012/06/21 22:24:06
    Tony Marcum
    +3
    Terry... I agree with you 99% :-) with everything.....except.... Paul was Torah observant, but I don't think he took the Nazarite vow but rather, he financed it for the other men. I've struggled with this verse, He did purify himself. That might be a sacrifice? But I know at the very least, he paid for the animals to be sacrificed the nazarite men.

    Praise God for you insight and sharing.
  • Terry Tony Ma... 2012/06/26 05:55:32
    Terry
    +1
    The purification was likely the mikhvah, or cermonial washing. While the KJV is pretty accurate, the AENT and the CJB make it more clear that Paul performed the purification along with the other 4 men, and suggest he never left the Temple. He was staying for the "days of purification." The shaving and the burnt offerings were to be done at the end of 7 days.

    However, as verse 27 tells us, before the 7 days were complete, Paul was confronted by his accusers. it seems he MUST have stayed around. I think his plan was to do all, but was thwarted. Otherwise, some doubt could still remain whether he was actually observing Torah, or merely sympathetic. And, that was the suggested purpose for doing it at all.

    As you probably know already, Numbers 6:1-21 gives the details of the vow. Verses 9-11 tell about the shaving on the 7th day, and the sin offering and burnt offerings the next day. Then, in verses 14-17 we get the he-lamb and ewe-lamb offerings, the ram and the food and drink offerings. All of them have different purposes.

    I think he was going for it all...

    Am I up to 99.5% yet?

    Baruch HaShem
  • Tony Ma... Ben 2012/06/21 22:25:31
    Tony Marcum
    +3
    Ben... Praise God! I love that you used almost all scripture. Most of the people who oppose this do not quote very much scripture and what they do is out of context. They can't. How can anyone deny the Word of God unless they put themselves under a delusion.
  • Ben Tony Ma... 2012/06/22 04:08:27
    Ben
    Thanks Tony.....I truly hope that those who simply read His Word with an open heart and listen to His voice will receive treasures of truth. Abba YHWH doesn't need me to speak for Him, He is perfectly capable of speaking for Himself! :0) Shalom
  • Myrna S... Ben 2014/08/11 15:44:54
    Myrna Sostre
    +1
    I totally agree with you my brother. Yeshua ( Jesus) is the Living Torah!! I pray that as people get to know the Torah, they are set free. God bless you!
  • steph 2012/02/15 09:25:44
    steph
    +3
    Matthew 5:19:

    19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
  • Hop 2011/10/27 03:10:47 (edited)
    Hop
    +4
    Do you believe the 10 commandments are to be used today? If so you are living under the old covenant. Have you ever looked to see how much Grace was given to man in the old covenant. I for one say that God is looking for a people that want to please him and that is where I will focus as well as seek HIS will and not mine. God is looking for a people that will call him GOD(YHVH) and He will call them HIS people. You need to decide this day who you will serve, GOD or the traditions of man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Keith Hop 2011/12/01 02:50:00
    Keith
    +2
    You are conflating all of the covenants in the Old Testament brother. The Ten Commandments are a summary of the natural law, which have always been in effect for all men since creation, while the Moseic Law was intended only for the Moseic ecconomy... Even Abraham didn't obey this law! Furthermore, of course Christians desire to please God, but we are only capable of doing so in Christ, who fulfilled the law (Moseic, natural, et al.) ON OUR BEHALF. That is the MEANING of grace... Why yoke yourself again to that which could never save?
  • badeddy Keith 2012/02/09 14:59:07
    badeddy
    +3
    Genesis 26:5 shows that Abraham clearly kept the torah. Many of the scriptures that the brother quoted actually support the fact that the church is part of israel. Jeremiah 31:31 and going forward tells you who Yahweh made the new covenant with. The brother quoted the collossians scripture that says let no man Judge you in regards to a HOLY DAY, SABBATH OR NEW MOON meaning that the church paul was writing to WAS KEEPING THEM. Note it doesn't say let no man judge you in regards to Xmas, Easter etc. The brother really needs to look at acts 25:8 and 2nd peter 3:16 then go back and repent as he is clearly in error. He quotes Ephesians 2:19 but leaves out Ephesians 2:12 that reads "that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. Thus the verse that he quotes is actually saying that you become a part of this commonwealth through Yeshua the messiah. I can go on and on and don't need to translate to greek or hebrew to prove the point that this guy is clearly in error on the scriptures. The book of Revelations clearly defines a saint as one who holds to the testimony of Jesus and KEEPS THE COMMANDMENTS OF G-D. If the end of the book clearly says it and the rest of the book says it then we must be misunderstanding Paul. You don't even have to look at the bible because History proves this out as well
  • Jermaine badeddy 2012/03/26 08:20:23
    Jermaine
    +2
    History tell present and future parts of life can't have one without the others..To seek truth you always refer scripture can't guess or hear and it starts from history
    If you seek hard you'll see it has changes a great deal from then to now.."Took the truth hid it and in man writing Hebrew4:8 subs Josuha's name with Jesus.writers mistake
  • Tony Ma... Keith 2012/06/21 22:31:02
    Tony Marcum
    +1
    Keith, Go back and read. The Ten Commandments and the rest of the law were written on the same Tablets of Stone and ALL of God's law was placed in the Ark. Can you really ignore all of the scripture that Ben gave? Could you refute it with scripture please?
  • Tony Ma... Keith 2012/06/23 02:26:08
    Tony Marcum
    Abraham did obey God's Law, that's why he was given Grace! What would have happened if God asked Abraham to do something and Abraham said... Oh Yes Lord....I trust and believe you, but I have to go a different direction for my life.
    Things would have turned out a lot different for Abraham.

    Simple question, do you or do you not Trust God? Christ came so that if you do sin you will have a continuous sacrifice to atone for your sin and Christ is the source of the Living Water that cleanses you so that you can approach and dwell with God. If you are unclean, the Holy Spirit can not dwell in you!

    Brother, you are under a delusion if you think that God doesn't want you to trust him and walk in his path. Christ is your disciple and you are to follow him and do what he did and dear brother, he followed the commandment.

    The Law doesn't save you, only God can do that, but just as it says in the Word:

    "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not; whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Go...









    Abraham did obey God's Law, that's why he was given Grace! What would have happened if God asked Abraham to do something and Abraham said... Oh Yes Lord....I trust and believe you, but I have to go a different direction for my life.
    Things would have turned out a lot different for Abraham.

    Simple question, do you or do you not Trust God? Christ came so that if you do sin you will have a continuous sacrifice to atone for your sin and Christ is the source of the Living Water that cleanses you so that you can approach and dwell with God. If you are unclean, the Holy Spirit can not dwell in you!

    Brother, you are under a delusion if you think that God doesn't want you to trust him and walk in his path. Christ is your disciple and you are to follow him and do what he did and dear brother, he followed the commandment.

    The Law doesn't save you, only God can do that, but just as it says in the Word:

    "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not; whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoseover is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remainth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." 1st John 3:5-9

    So if you decide the Law is not for you and you go on sinning then he doesn't know you and you do not abide in him. It's very clear and God does not mince words. If you are truly reborn, you will not commit sin, and what is sin?

    "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law." 1st John 3:4

    So how can we transgress the law if there is no law? You are twisting it.

    This is a huge discussion because you can get into festivals and sabbath etc. But brother, we all have the same Bible and it's very clear. I mean if you want to go observe Easter, knock yourself out, Just ask yourself, Does this show that I love God?

    Tony
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  • Yaresh Perez Cruz 2011/08/10 00:47:26
    Yaresh Perez Cruz
    +4
    I'm a former Hebrew Roots believer. The Lord, in His mercy, pulled me out of that movement with a stern warning. I've published my testimony at http://hebrewrootsmessianicda...
  • FREED S... Yaresh ... 2011/10/27 15:32:48
    FREED Speaks Up
    Thank you for sharing!
  • Kathy Yaresh ... 2012/02/20 20:17:19
    Kathy
    +3
    Hi there, I tried to click on your link and sign int o see it, but it says I don't have permission? Please let me know if there's a way I can read this? Thank you! :)
  • Jayson ... Yaresh ... 2012/06/12 09:56:15
    Jayson Valencia
    +2
    Hi Yaresh,

    I'm in a church that is introducing Hebrew roots doctrine to me. That is the reason why I came to see this blog because I want to know the truth. I don't want to be drag into slavery once again but then again I've been learning a lot which I'm sure that the current form of Christianity is at fault.

    Please do me a favor, invite me to your blog. The eternal life of myself and my family depends on this.

    Thank you in advance.
  • Jayson ... Jayson ... 2012/06/12 09:56:44
    Jayson Valencia
    +3
    By the way, this is my email address - jaysonthegreat@gmail.com
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