None of that proves there is a God.
ATHEIST WOULD LOVE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT THEY ARE IN DENIAL. DOES EVIDENCE SUPPORT THEIR VIEW?
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Atheist try and show that their is no evidence of God but they are in denial of solid Scientific evidence that show otherwise. And I will supply much more than simply what the Bible says. I will deal with facts from Science.
So when they post below their comments and attack the Bible without clear scientific evidence, they discredit themselves and show themselves to be Fools. Because I did not say that! God said it. " The Fool has said in his heart there is no God"
There is actually a reason for not believing in God with Atheist, because if they can reason God out of their mind, then they are not convicted by their conscience and if they believe there is no God, they have no responsibility or accountability to God.
I know because I too use to be an Atheist as well! But the evidence is co convincing ...well, you decide
The Bible Says:
The oldest fossils for any creature are already fully-formed and don't change much over time ("stasis"). The "Cambrian Explosion" in the "primordial strata" documents the geologically rapid appearance of most major groups of complex animals. There is no evidence of evolution from simpler forms. Birds are said to have evolved from reptiles but no fossil has ever been found having a "half-scale/half-wing". A reptile breathes using an "in and out" lung (like humans have), but a bird has a "flow-through" lung suitable for moving through the air. Can you even imagine how such a transition of the lung could have taken place? Abrupt appearance and stasis are consistent with the biblical concept of creation "according to its kind", and a world-wide flood that scoured the earth down to its basement rocks, depositing the "geologic column" and giving the appearance of a "Cambrian Explosion". Smarter, more mobile creatures would escape the flood waters longer, becoming buried in higher-level strata, leading to a burial order progressing from "simpler" forms to more complex/higher-level forms, which people now wrongly interpret as an evolutionary progression.
10. Human Consciousness
11. Human Language
Language is one of the main things that separates man from the animals. No animal is capable of achieving anything like human speech, and all attempts to teach chimpanzees to talk have failed. Evolutionists have no explanation for the origin of human language. However, the Bible does. It says that the first man, Adam, was created able to speak. The Bible also explains why we have different human languages, as God had to "confuse" the common language being used in Babel after the flood, in order to force people to spread out around the world as He wanted. This was only a "surface" confusion though, as all languages express the same underlying basic ideas and concepts, enabling other languages to be learned and understood.
12. Sexual Reproduction
Many creatures reproduce asexually. Why would animals abandon simpler asexual reproduction in favor of more costly and inefficient sexual reproduction? Sexual reproduction is a very complex process that is only useful if fully in place. For sexual reproduction to have evolved complimentary male and female sex organs, sperm and eggs, and all the associated machinery in tandem defies the imagination.
13. The Bible's Witness
The Bible is true. The history of the Bible is true. The words of the Bible concerning our origins were given to men to write down, by God, who was the only living being present. We were not there! God said He created the universe. God said He created all living things. We know that life is much more than chemicals. God put His life into Adam and that life has been transferred from generation to generation all the way down to us!
********************** WHAT ABOUT NATURE? ****************************
The human eye is enormously complicated - a perfect and interrelated system of about 40 individual subsystems, including the retina, pupil, iris, cornea, lens and optic nerve. For instance, the retina has approximately 137 million special cells that respond to light and send messages to the brain. About 130 million of these cells look like rods and handle the black and white vision. The other seven million are cone shaped and allow us to see in color. The retina cells receive light impressions, which are translated to electric pulses and sent to the brain via the optic nerve. A special section of the brain called the visual cortex interprets the pulses to color, contrast, depth, etc., which allows us to see "pictures" of our world. Incredibly, the eye, optic nerve and visual cortex are totally separate and distinct subsystems. Yet, together, they capture, deliver and interpret up to 1.5 million pulse messages a milli-second! It would take dozens of Cray supercomputers programmed perfectly and operating together flawlessly to even get close to performing this task.1
I remember Darwin specifically discussing the incredible complexity of the eye in Origin of Species:
However, this hypothesis no longer passes muster. Short of the micro-biological and genetic information issues, paleontology now shows that "simple creatures" emerged in the world with complex structures already intact. Even the simple trilobite has an eye (complete with its double lens system) that's considered an optical miracle by today's standards.
************* WHAT ABOUT SPACE? **********************************
IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST, THINK ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:
If the Bible is right, and by the way it is. You have a lot to loose if you die without Jesus Christ. It was never God's intention to send anyone to Hell and if you go there, you can't blame God because the Free Gift of Forgiveness was offered to you and if you reject the only means of having your sins forgiven, you will then have to face life after death on your own in Eternity without God in Hell.
It will be your own choice and not God's!
**************** The earth just happened by chance right? **************
God gave you a conscience and you know down deep that there is a God
GOD IS JUST A PRAYER AWAY! HE HEARS EVERY WORD YOU SAY, HE SEE'S EVERYTHING YOU DO AND HE KNOWS EVERY THOUGHT YOU EVER HAD!
No matter how hard you try to avoid God, Every time you go outside you feel the rays of the Sun that God created, you breath the air that God created and when you sit under a tree, God created that as well.
NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY! GOD IS EVERYWHERE!
HE KNEW YOU BY NAME BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE AND HE KNEW ALL THE SINS YOU EVER DID AND YET HE WAS STILL WILLING TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR YOU.
So when they post below their comments and attack the Bible without clear scientific evidence, they discredit themselves and show themselves to be Fools. Because I did not say that! God said it. " The Fool has said in his heart there is no God"
There is actually a reason for not believing in God with Atheist, because if they can reason God out of their mind, then they are not convicted by their conscience and if they believe there is no God, they have no responsibility or accountability to God.
I know because I too use to be an Atheist as well! But the evidence is co convincing ...well, you decide
The Bible Says:
"In the
beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Genesis 1:1
"So God
created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and
female he created them."
Genesis 1:27
"The basic flaw of all
evolutionary views is the origin of the information in living beings. It has
never been shown that a coding system and semantic information could originate
by itself in a material medium, and the information theorems predict that this
will never be possible. A purely material origin of life is thus precluded."
Gitt, Werner
"I believe that one day the
Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science."
Lovtrup, Soren
1. Information
The instructions for how to build, operate, and repair living cells represent a vast amount of information (estimated at 12 billion bits). Information is a mental, non-material concept. It can never arise from a natural process and is always the result of an intelligence. Just as a newspaper story transcends the ink on the paper, life's DNA itself (like the ink) is not the information, it is simply a physical representation or housing of the information (the story). Modifying the DNA via mutation can never produce new genetic information to drive upward evolution, just as spilling coffee on the newspaper, thereby modifying the distribution of the ink, will never improve the story. 
2. Formation of Life
Dead chemicals cannot become alive on their own. The cell is a miniature factory with many active processes, not a simple blob of "protoplasm" as believed in Darwin's day. Lightening striking a mud puddle or some "warm little pond" will never produce life. This is another view of the core issue of information as the simplest living cell requires a vast amount of information to be present. The "Law of Biogenesis" states that life comes only from prior life. Spontaneous generation has long been shown to be impossible (by Louis Pasteur in 1859). Numerous efforts to bring life from non-life (including the famous Miller-Urey experiment) have not succeeded. The probability of life forming from non-life has been likened to the probability of a tornado going through a junkyard and spontaneously assembling a working 747 airplane. The idea that life on earth may have been seeded from outer space just moves the problem elsewhere.
3. Design of Living Things
Design is apparent in the living world. Even Richard Dawkins in his anti-creation book The Blind Watchmaker admits "Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." The amazing defense mechanism of the Bombardier Beetle is a classic example of design in nature, seemingly impossible to explain as the result of accumulating small beneficial changes over time, because if the mechanism doesn't work perfectly, "boom" - no more beetle! This is also another view of the core issue of information, as the design of living things is the result of processing the information in the DNA (following the blueprint) to produce a working organism.
4. Irreducible Complexity
The idea that "nothing works until everything works." The classic example is a mousetrap, which is irreducibly complex in that if one of its several pieces is missing or not in the right place, it will not function as a mousetrap and no mice will be caught. The systems, features, and processes of life are irreducibly complex. What good is a circulatory system without a heart? An eye without a brain to interpret the signals? What good is a half-formed wing? Doesn't matching male and female reproductive machinery need to exist at the same time, fully-functioning if any reproduction is to take place? Remember, natural selection has no foresight, and works to eliminate anything not providing an immediate benefit.
5. Second Law of Thermodynamics
The Second Law of Thermodynamics refers to the universal tendency for things, on their own, to "mix" with their surrounding environment over time, becoming less ordered and eventually reaching a steady-state. A glass of hot water becomes room temperature, buildings decay into rubble, and the stars will eventually burn out leading to the "heat death" of the universe. However, the evolutionary scenario proposes that over time things, on their own, became more ordered and structured. Somehow the energy of a "Big Bang" structured itself into stars, galaxies, planets, and living things, contrary to the Second Law. It is sometimes said that the energy of the Sun was enough to overcome this tendency and allow for the formation of life on earth. However, application of energy alone is not enough to overcome this tendency; the energy must be channeled by a machine. A human must repair a building to keep it from decaying. Likewise, it is the machinery of photosynthesis which harnesses the energy of the Sun, allowing life to exist, and photosynthesis is itself a complex chemical process. The maturing of an acorn into a tree, or a zygote (the first cell resulting from fertilization) into a mature human being does not violate the Second Law as these processes are guided by the information already present in the acorn or zygote.
6. Existence of the Universe
By definition, something must be eternal (as we have "something" today and something cannot come from "nothing", so there was never a time when there was "nothing"). Either the universe itself is eternal, or something/someone outside of and greater than the universe is eternal. We know that the universe is not eternal, it had a beginning (as evidenced by its expansion). Therefore, God (the something/someone outside of the universe) must exist and must have created the universe. Einstein showed that space and time are related. If there is no space there is no time. Before the universe was created there was no space and therefore no concept of time. This is hard for us to understand as we are space-time creatures, but it allows for God to be an eternal being, completely consistent with scientific laws. The question "who created God" is therefore an improper/invalid question, as it is a time-based question (concerning the point in time at which God came into existence) but God exists outside of time as the un-caused first cause.
7. Fine-tuning of Earth for Life
Dozens of parameters are "just right" for life to exist on this planet. For example, if the Earth were just a little closer to the Sun it would be too hot and the ocean's water would boil away, much further and it would be covered continually in ice. Earth's circular orbit (to maintain a roughly constant temperature year-round), its rotation speed (to provide days and nights not too long or short), its tilt (to provide seasons), and the presence of the moon (to provide tides to cleanse the oceans) are just some of many other examples.
The presence of large amounts of water, with its amazing special properties, is also required. Water is a rare compound in that it is lighter in a solid state than in a liquid state. This allows ponds to freeze with the ice on the surface allowing the life beneath to survive. Otherwise bodies of water would freeze from the bottom up and become solid ice. Water is also the most universal "solvent" known, allowing for dissolving/mixing with the many different chemicals of life. In fact, our bodies are 75-85% comprised of water.
8. Fine-tuning of Physics
The fine-tuning of the physical constants that control the physics of the universe - the settings of the basic forces (strong nuclear force constant, weak nuclear force constant, gravitational force constant, and electromagnetic force constant) are on a knife's edge. A minor change in these or any of dozens of other universal parameters would make life impossible.
The "multiverse" idea that there may be many universes and ours "just happened" to have these proper values is outside of science and could never be proven. Even then we would have to ask "what was the cause of all these universes?"
The oldest fossils for any creature are already fully-formed and don't change much over time ("stasis"). The "Cambrian Explosion" in the "primordial strata" documents the geologically rapid appearance of most major groups of complex animals. There is no evidence of evolution from simpler forms. Birds are said to have evolved from reptiles but no fossil has ever been found having a "half-scale/half-wing". A reptile breathes using an "in and out" lung (like humans have), but a bird has a "flow-through" lung suitable for moving through the air. Can you even imagine how such a transition of the lung could have taken place? Abrupt appearance and stasis are consistent with the biblical concept of creation "according to its kind", and a world-wide flood that scoured the earth down to its basement rocks, depositing the "geologic column" and giving the appearance of a "Cambrian Explosion". Smarter, more mobile creatures would escape the flood waters longer, becoming buried in higher-level strata, leading to a burial order progressing from "simpler" forms to more complex/higher-level forms, which people now wrongly interpret as an evolutionary progression.
10. Human Consciousness
| A person is a unity of body + mind/soul, the mind/soul being the immaterial part of you that is the real inner you. Chemicals alone cannot explain self-awareness, creativity, reasoning, emotions of love and hate, sensations of pleasure and pain, possessing and remembering experiences, and free will. Reason itself cannot be relied upon if it is based only on blind neurological events. |
11. Human Language
Language is one of the main things that separates man from the animals. No animal is capable of achieving anything like human speech, and all attempts to teach chimpanzees to talk have failed. Evolutionists have no explanation for the origin of human language. However, the Bible does. It says that the first man, Adam, was created able to speak. The Bible also explains why we have different human languages, as God had to "confuse" the common language being used in Babel after the flood, in order to force people to spread out around the world as He wanted. This was only a "surface" confusion though, as all languages express the same underlying basic ideas and concepts, enabling other languages to be learned and understood.
12. Sexual Reproduction
Many creatures reproduce asexually. Why would animals abandon simpler asexual reproduction in favor of more costly and inefficient sexual reproduction? Sexual reproduction is a very complex process that is only useful if fully in place. For sexual reproduction to have evolved complimentary male and female sex organs, sperm and eggs, and all the associated machinery in tandem defies the imagination.
13. The Bible's Witness
The Bible is true. The history of the Bible is true. The words of the Bible concerning our origins were given to men to write down, by God, who was the only living being present. We were not there! God said He created the universe. God said He created all living things. We know that life is much more than chemicals. God put His life into Adam and that life has been transferred from generation to generation all the way down to us!
********************** WHAT ABOUT NATURE? ****************************
The human eye is enormously complicated - a perfect and interrelated system of about 40 individual subsystems, including the retina, pupil, iris, cornea, lens and optic nerve. For instance, the retina has approximately 137 million special cells that respond to light and send messages to the brain. About 130 million of these cells look like rods and handle the black and white vision. The other seven million are cone shaped and allow us to see in color. The retina cells receive light impressions, which are translated to electric pulses and sent to the brain via the optic nerve. A special section of the brain called the visual cortex interprets the pulses to color, contrast, depth, etc., which allows us to see "pictures" of our world. Incredibly, the eye, optic nerve and visual cortex are totally separate and distinct subsystems. Yet, together, they capture, deliver and interpret up to 1.5 million pulse messages a milli-second! It would take dozens of Cray supercomputers programmed perfectly and operating together flawlessly to even get close to performing this task.1
I remember Darwin specifically discussing the incredible complexity of the eye in Origin of Species:
- To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree possible. 3
However, this hypothesis no longer passes muster. Short of the micro-biological and genetic information issues, paleontology now shows that "simple creatures" emerged in the world with complex structures already intact. Even the simple trilobite has an eye (complete with its double lens system) that's considered an optical miracle by today's standards.
************* WHAT ABOUT SPACE? **********************************
IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST, THINK ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:
If the Bible is right, and by the way it is. You have a lot to loose if you die without Jesus Christ. It was never God's intention to send anyone to Hell and if you go there, you can't blame God because the Free Gift of Forgiveness was offered to you and if you reject the only means of having your sins forgiven, you will then have to face life after death on your own in Eternity without God in Hell.
It will be your own choice and not God's!
**************** The earth just happened by chance right? **************
God gave you a conscience and you know down deep that there is a God
GOD IS JUST A PRAYER AWAY! HE HEARS EVERY WORD YOU SAY, HE SEE'S EVERYTHING YOU DO AND HE KNOWS EVERY THOUGHT YOU EVER HAD!
No matter how hard you try to avoid God, Every time you go outside you feel the rays of the Sun that God created, you breath the air that God created and when you sit under a tree, God created that as well.
NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY! GOD IS EVERYWHERE!
HE KNEW YOU BY NAME BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE AND HE KNEW ALL THE SINS YOU EVER DID AND YET HE WAS STILL WILLING TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR YOU.
Top Opinion
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melly~thwarting Satan since... 2012/05/12 05:14:46
THE FOOL HAS SAID THERE IS NO GOD
I use to be one evil SOB but then I found Jesus and all the sin I did He forgave. I knew that I was set free from the guilt. Is that simply because I did not want to go to Hell? No! although I will agree that that is the last place i would ever want to go.
But God is Holy and even through I did all the things I did, He still loved me enough to die on the cross for me even if i was the only one.
Romans 10:9-10 says
(9)
If you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
(10)
For with the heart man believes unto Salvation and with the mouth Confession is made unto Salvation
I took God at his word and when I did, He changed my life and I saw things differently that I could not see before. Why is that? Because the bible says that when we trust Christ as our Lord, the Holy Spirit comes in to our hearts and he stays there with us and he shows us from his word the bible things we read over and over and each time I read it i get something New from it.
That is the work of the holy Spirit.
Atheist like my self once laugh at that and don't believe it because those who do not kno...
I use to be one evil SOB but then I found Jesus and all the sin I did He forgave. I knew that I was set free from the guilt. Is that simply because I did not want to go to Hell? No! although I will agree that that is the last place i would ever want to go.
But God is Holy and even through I did all the things I did, He still loved me enough to die on the cross for me even if i was the only one.
Romans 10:9-10 says
(9)
If you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
(10)
For with the heart man believes unto Salvation and with the mouth Confession is made unto Salvation
I took God at his word and when I did, He changed my life and I saw things differently that I could not see before. Why is that? Because the bible says that when we trust Christ as our Lord, the Holy Spirit comes in to our hearts and he stays there with us and he shows us from his word the bible things we read over and over and each time I read it i get something New from it.
That is the work of the holy Spirit.
Atheist like my self once laugh at that and don't believe it because those who do not know Christ have no light in them.
I challenge any Atheist who truly wants to know if God exist, to simply talk to him and ask him to show him to them but they must first admit that they have sinned against him and ask for forgiveness.
If you do that, God will show himself to you in a way you never expected.
I don't think you even needed to invoke Matthew, just look up the 10 Commandments, where this guy bore false witness, thus breaking the 9th Commandment.
if your not convinced by scientific evidence then you go ahead and believe whatever you want. I believe that the evidence is enough.
http://youtu.be/GlZtEjtlirc
@evangelism_vision@sbcglobal....
Blocking someone who says something you don't like. Yup That's exactly what Jesus would do
Those who mock God do so to their own stupidity
Why do I need evidence to attack a book? Do you have scientific evidence that proves beyond a doubt that Harry Potter or for that matter Greek mythology is false?
"if they believe there is no God, they have no responsibility or accountability to God."
Actually we have far more "responsibility" since we can not write things off a "gods will" we must take things in our own hands.
". It has never been shown that a coding system and semantic information could originate
by itself"
It has also never been shown that said system was created by a deity, and even if you ration that it must have been where is your evidence that said deity is the one of the christian bible
"We know that the universe is not eternal, it had a beginning (as evidenced by its expansion)"
expansion is only evidence of change not a beginning,
I personally am more of an Agnostic than an atheist, I believe there is something out there (which you do well at showing it is logical there is) I however see no reason it is the god of the bible, which was written by men and builds off many other theory's. I refuse to belive in a god that has so many prejudices, and that punishes disbelief over moral behavior
I do good works because I care not for fear of hell, but that would be grounds for me to face the fate of Hitler
If we could, then why did Jesus die on the cross for the sins of the world?
From the time of our birth, me included we all were born in sin and because of that, Jesus came to Earth to die on the cross for all of humanity's sins. Only a Righteous man without sin could.
Rather man wants to admit it or not, Hell is a Real Place that was created for Satan not us. If we go to Hell it will be because we rejected God's only way of Salvation.
If I have cancer and the Doctor says I have a cure and you have to take this, and yet I refuse to believe in that medicine and I die..... Is it the Doctor's fault? NO! It would be your fault for rejecting the cure.
TWO CHOICES IN LIFE WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND IF HELL IS REAL AND IT IS, THEN REJECTING CHRIST THAT PERSON LOOSES!
SIMPLE AS THAT
This is why Athiest are actually the most moral people on earth we are not trying to,
"then why did Jesus die on the cross for the sins of the world?
I've always wondered that myself, All powerful god, creates the universe but has to send his kid to die to "save people"
"hat was created for Satan not us."
Yup, jealous god, kicks out angel for trying to one up him so of course this divine angel must start torturing people
huh
"have a cure and you have to take this, and yet I refuse to believe in that medicine and I die"
See this is not the same the medicine works rather you believe in it or not,
Sure have, and went threw years of CCD(Catholic religious training)
You do realize in every study done, Atheist know the bible better than christians right?
"I bet because the questions you ask were answered in the Bible "
Not to anything resembling a logical proof
and when I asked the priest these things they usually said "It's a mystery my son"
You can't really nail down an Atheist to one particular stereotype because there isn't one. We're a bag of cats, unique, individual, and if irritated very likely to swat with claws made of logical refutations and cited evidence.