None of that proves there is a God.
ATHEIST WOULD LOVE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT THEY ARE IN DENIAL. DOES EVIDENCE SUPPORT THEIR VIEW?
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Atheist try and show that their is no evidence of God but they are in denial of solid Scientific evidence that show otherwise. And I will supply much more than simply what the Bible says. I will deal with facts from Science.
So when they post below their comments and attack the Bible without clear scientific evidence, they discredit themselves and show themselves to be Fools. Because I did not say that! God said it. " The Fool has said in his heart there is no God"
There is actually a reason for not believing in God with Atheist, because if they can reason God out of their mind, then they are not convicted by their conscience and if they believe there is no God, they have no responsibility or accountability to God.
I know because I too use to be an Atheist as well! But the evidence is co convincing ...well, you decide
The Bible Says:
The oldest fossils for any creature are already fully-formed and don't change much over time ("stasis"). The "Cambrian Explosion" in the "primordial strata" documents the geologically rapid appearance of most major groups of complex animals. There is no evidence of evolution from simpler forms. Birds are said to have evolved from reptiles but no fossil has ever been found having a "half-scale/half-wing". A reptile breathes using an "in and out" lung (like humans have), but a bird has a "flow-through" lung suitable for moving through the air. Can you even imagine how such a transition of the lung could have taken place? Abrupt appearance and stasis are consistent with the biblical concept of creation "according to its kind", and a world-wide flood that scoured the earth down to its basement rocks, depositing the "geologic column" and giving the appearance of a "Cambrian Explosion". Smarter, more mobile creatures would escape the flood waters longer, becoming buried in higher-level strata, leading to a burial order progressing from "simpler" forms to more complex/higher-level forms, which people now wrongly interpret as an evolutionary progression.
10. Human Consciousness
11. Human Language
Language is one of the main things that separates man from the animals. No animal is capable of achieving anything like human speech, and all attempts to teach chimpanzees to talk have failed. Evolutionists have no explanation for the origin of human language. However, the Bible does. It says that the first man, Adam, was created able to speak. The Bible also explains why we have different human languages, as God had to "confuse" the common language being used in Babel after the flood, in order to force people to spread out around the world as He wanted. This was only a "surface" confusion though, as all languages express the same underlying basic ideas and concepts, enabling other languages to be learned and understood.
12. Sexual Reproduction
Many creatures reproduce asexually. Why would animals abandon simpler asexual reproduction in favor of more costly and inefficient sexual reproduction? Sexual reproduction is a very complex process that is only useful if fully in place. For sexual reproduction to have evolved complimentary male and female sex organs, sperm and eggs, and all the associated machinery in tandem defies the imagination.
13. The Bible's Witness
The Bible is true. The history of the Bible is true. The words of the Bible concerning our origins were given to men to write down, by God, who was the only living being present. We were not there! God said He created the universe. God said He created all living things. We know that life is much more than chemicals. God put His life into Adam and that life has been transferred from generation to generation all the way down to us!
********************** WHAT ABOUT NATURE? ****************************
The human eye is enormously complicated - a perfect and interrelated system of about 40 individual subsystems, including the retina, pupil, iris, cornea, lens and optic nerve. For instance, the retina has approximately 137 million special cells that respond to light and send messages to the brain. About 130 million of these cells look like rods and handle the black and white vision. The other seven million are cone shaped and allow us to see in color. The retina cells receive light impressions, which are translated to electric pulses and sent to the brain via the optic nerve. A special section of the brain called the visual cortex interprets the pulses to color, contrast, depth, etc., which allows us to see "pictures" of our world. Incredibly, the eye, optic nerve and visual cortex are totally separate and distinct subsystems. Yet, together, they capture, deliver and interpret up to 1.5 million pulse messages a milli-second! It would take dozens of Cray supercomputers programmed perfectly and operating together flawlessly to even get close to performing this task.1
I remember Darwin specifically discussing the incredible complexity of the eye in Origin of Species:
However, this hypothesis no longer passes muster. Short of the micro-biological and genetic information issues, paleontology now shows that "simple creatures" emerged in the world with complex structures already intact. Even the simple trilobite has an eye (complete with its double lens system) that's considered an optical miracle by today's standards.
************* WHAT ABOUT SPACE? **********************************
IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST, THINK ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:
If the Bible is right, and by the way it is. You have a lot to loose if you die without Jesus Christ. It was never God's intention to send anyone to Hell and if you go there, you can't blame God because the Free Gift of Forgiveness was offered to you and if you reject the only means of having your sins forgiven, you will then have to face life after death on your own in Eternity without God in Hell.
It will be your own choice and not God's!
**************** The earth just happened by chance right? **************
God gave you a conscience and you know down deep that there is a God
GOD IS JUST A PRAYER AWAY! HE HEARS EVERY WORD YOU SAY, HE SEE'S EVERYTHING YOU DO AND HE KNOWS EVERY THOUGHT YOU EVER HAD!
No matter how hard you try to avoid God, Every time you go outside you feel the rays of the Sun that God created, you breath the air that God created and when you sit under a tree, God created that as well.
NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY! GOD IS EVERYWHERE!
HE KNEW YOU BY NAME BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE AND HE KNEW ALL THE SINS YOU EVER DID AND YET HE WAS STILL WILLING TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR YOU.
So when they post below their comments and attack the Bible without clear scientific evidence, they discredit themselves and show themselves to be Fools. Because I did not say that! God said it. " The Fool has said in his heart there is no God"
There is actually a reason for not believing in God with Atheist, because if they can reason God out of their mind, then they are not convicted by their conscience and if they believe there is no God, they have no responsibility or accountability to God.
I know because I too use to be an Atheist as well! But the evidence is co convincing ...well, you decide
The Bible Says:
"In the
beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Genesis 1:1
"So God
created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and
female he created them."
Genesis 1:27
"The basic flaw of all
evolutionary views is the origin of the information in living beings. It has
never been shown that a coding system and semantic information could originate
by itself in a material medium, and the information theorems predict that this
will never be possible. A purely material origin of life is thus precluded."
Gitt, Werner
"I believe that one day the
Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science."
Lovtrup, Soren
1. Information
The instructions for how to build, operate, and repair living cells represent a vast amount of information (estimated at 12 billion bits). Information is a mental, non-material concept. It can never arise from a natural process and is always the result of an intelligence. Just as a newspaper story transcends the ink on the paper, life's DNA itself (like the ink) is not the information, it is simply a physical representation or housing of the information (the story). Modifying the DNA via mutation can never produce new genetic information to drive upward evolution, just as spilling coffee on the newspaper, thereby modifying the distribution of the ink, will never improve the story. 
2. Formation of Life
Dead chemicals cannot become alive on their own. The cell is a miniature factory with many active processes, not a simple blob of "protoplasm" as believed in Darwin's day. Lightening striking a mud puddle or some "warm little pond" will never produce life. This is another view of the core issue of information as the simplest living cell requires a vast amount of information to be present. The "Law of Biogenesis" states that life comes only from prior life. Spontaneous generation has long been shown to be impossible (by Louis Pasteur in 1859). Numerous efforts to bring life from non-life (including the famous Miller-Urey experiment) have not succeeded. The probability of life forming from non-life has been likened to the probability of a tornado going through a junkyard and spontaneously assembling a working 747 airplane. The idea that life on earth may have been seeded from outer space just moves the problem elsewhere.
3. Design of Living Things
Design is apparent in the living world. Even Richard Dawkins in his anti-creation book The Blind Watchmaker admits "Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." The amazing defense mechanism of the Bombardier Beetle is a classic example of design in nature, seemingly impossible to explain as the result of accumulating small beneficial changes over time, because if the mechanism doesn't work perfectly, "boom" - no more beetle! This is also another view of the core issue of information, as the design of living things is the result of processing the information in the DNA (following the blueprint) to produce a working organism.
4. Irreducible Complexity
The idea that "nothing works until everything works." The classic example is a mousetrap, which is irreducibly complex in that if one of its several pieces is missing or not in the right place, it will not function as a mousetrap and no mice will be caught. The systems, features, and processes of life are irreducibly complex. What good is a circulatory system without a heart? An eye without a brain to interpret the signals? What good is a half-formed wing? Doesn't matching male and female reproductive machinery need to exist at the same time, fully-functioning if any reproduction is to take place? Remember, natural selection has no foresight, and works to eliminate anything not providing an immediate benefit.
5. Second Law of Thermodynamics
The Second Law of Thermodynamics refers to the universal tendency for things, on their own, to "mix" with their surrounding environment over time, becoming less ordered and eventually reaching a steady-state. A glass of hot water becomes room temperature, buildings decay into rubble, and the stars will eventually burn out leading to the "heat death" of the universe. However, the evolutionary scenario proposes that over time things, on their own, became more ordered and structured. Somehow the energy of a "Big Bang" structured itself into stars, galaxies, planets, and living things, contrary to the Second Law. It is sometimes said that the energy of the Sun was enough to overcome this tendency and allow for the formation of life on earth. However, application of energy alone is not enough to overcome this tendency; the energy must be channeled by a machine. A human must repair a building to keep it from decaying. Likewise, it is the machinery of photosynthesis which harnesses the energy of the Sun, allowing life to exist, and photosynthesis is itself a complex chemical process. The maturing of an acorn into a tree, or a zygote (the first cell resulting from fertilization) into a mature human being does not violate the Second Law as these processes are guided by the information already present in the acorn or zygote.
6. Existence of the Universe
By definition, something must be eternal (as we have "something" today and something cannot come from "nothing", so there was never a time when there was "nothing"). Either the universe itself is eternal, or something/someone outside of and greater than the universe is eternal. We know that the universe is not eternal, it had a beginning (as evidenced by its expansion). Therefore, God (the something/someone outside of the universe) must exist and must have created the universe. Einstein showed that space and time are related. If there is no space there is no time. Before the universe was created there was no space and therefore no concept of time. This is hard for us to understand as we are space-time creatures, but it allows for God to be an eternal being, completely consistent with scientific laws. The question "who created God" is therefore an improper/invalid question, as it is a time-based question (concerning the point in time at which God came into existence) but God exists outside of time as the un-caused first cause.
7. Fine-tuning of Earth for Life
Dozens of parameters are "just right" for life to exist on this planet. For example, if the Earth were just a little closer to the Sun it would be too hot and the ocean's water would boil away, much further and it would be covered continually in ice. Earth's circular orbit (to maintain a roughly constant temperature year-round), its rotation speed (to provide days and nights not too long or short), its tilt (to provide seasons), and the presence of the moon (to provide tides to cleanse the oceans) are just some of many other examples.
The presence of large amounts of water, with its amazing special properties, is also required. Water is a rare compound in that it is lighter in a solid state than in a liquid state. This allows ponds to freeze with the ice on the surface allowing the life beneath to survive. Otherwise bodies of water would freeze from the bottom up and become solid ice. Water is also the most universal "solvent" known, allowing for dissolving/mixing with the many different chemicals of life. In fact, our bodies are 75-85% comprised of water.
8. Fine-tuning of Physics
The fine-tuning of the physical constants that control the physics of the universe - the settings of the basic forces (strong nuclear force constant, weak nuclear force constant, gravitational force constant, and electromagnetic force constant) are on a knife's edge. A minor change in these or any of dozens of other universal parameters would make life impossible.
The "multiverse" idea that there may be many universes and ours "just happened" to have these proper values is outside of science and could never be proven. Even then we would have to ask "what was the cause of all these universes?"
The oldest fossils for any creature are already fully-formed and don't change much over time ("stasis"). The "Cambrian Explosion" in the "primordial strata" documents the geologically rapid appearance of most major groups of complex animals. There is no evidence of evolution from simpler forms. Birds are said to have evolved from reptiles but no fossil has ever been found having a "half-scale/half-wing". A reptile breathes using an "in and out" lung (like humans have), but a bird has a "flow-through" lung suitable for moving through the air. Can you even imagine how such a transition of the lung could have taken place? Abrupt appearance and stasis are consistent with the biblical concept of creation "according to its kind", and a world-wide flood that scoured the earth down to its basement rocks, depositing the "geologic column" and giving the appearance of a "Cambrian Explosion". Smarter, more mobile creatures would escape the flood waters longer, becoming buried in higher-level strata, leading to a burial order progressing from "simpler" forms to more complex/higher-level forms, which people now wrongly interpret as an evolutionary progression.
10. Human Consciousness
| A person is a unity of body + mind/soul, the mind/soul being the immaterial part of you that is the real inner you. Chemicals alone cannot explain self-awareness, creativity, reasoning, emotions of love and hate, sensations of pleasure and pain, possessing and remembering experiences, and free will. Reason itself cannot be relied upon if it is based only on blind neurological events. |
11. Human Language
Language is one of the main things that separates man from the animals. No animal is capable of achieving anything like human speech, and all attempts to teach chimpanzees to talk have failed. Evolutionists have no explanation for the origin of human language. However, the Bible does. It says that the first man, Adam, was created able to speak. The Bible also explains why we have different human languages, as God had to "confuse" the common language being used in Babel after the flood, in order to force people to spread out around the world as He wanted. This was only a "surface" confusion though, as all languages express the same underlying basic ideas and concepts, enabling other languages to be learned and understood.
12. Sexual Reproduction
Many creatures reproduce asexually. Why would animals abandon simpler asexual reproduction in favor of more costly and inefficient sexual reproduction? Sexual reproduction is a very complex process that is only useful if fully in place. For sexual reproduction to have evolved complimentary male and female sex organs, sperm and eggs, and all the associated machinery in tandem defies the imagination.
13. The Bible's Witness
The Bible is true. The history of the Bible is true. The words of the Bible concerning our origins were given to men to write down, by God, who was the only living being present. We were not there! God said He created the universe. God said He created all living things. We know that life is much more than chemicals. God put His life into Adam and that life has been transferred from generation to generation all the way down to us!
********************** WHAT ABOUT NATURE? ****************************
The human eye is enormously complicated - a perfect and interrelated system of about 40 individual subsystems, including the retina, pupil, iris, cornea, lens and optic nerve. For instance, the retina has approximately 137 million special cells that respond to light and send messages to the brain. About 130 million of these cells look like rods and handle the black and white vision. The other seven million are cone shaped and allow us to see in color. The retina cells receive light impressions, which are translated to electric pulses and sent to the brain via the optic nerve. A special section of the brain called the visual cortex interprets the pulses to color, contrast, depth, etc., which allows us to see "pictures" of our world. Incredibly, the eye, optic nerve and visual cortex are totally separate and distinct subsystems. Yet, together, they capture, deliver and interpret up to 1.5 million pulse messages a milli-second! It would take dozens of Cray supercomputers programmed perfectly and operating together flawlessly to even get close to performing this task.1
I remember Darwin specifically discussing the incredible complexity of the eye in Origin of Species:
- To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree possible. 3
However, this hypothesis no longer passes muster. Short of the micro-biological and genetic information issues, paleontology now shows that "simple creatures" emerged in the world with complex structures already intact. Even the simple trilobite has an eye (complete with its double lens system) that's considered an optical miracle by today's standards.
************* WHAT ABOUT SPACE? **********************************
IF YOU ARE AN ATHEIST, THINK ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:
If the Bible is right, and by the way it is. You have a lot to loose if you die without Jesus Christ. It was never God's intention to send anyone to Hell and if you go there, you can't blame God because the Free Gift of Forgiveness was offered to you and if you reject the only means of having your sins forgiven, you will then have to face life after death on your own in Eternity without God in Hell.
It will be your own choice and not God's!
**************** The earth just happened by chance right? **************
God gave you a conscience and you know down deep that there is a God
GOD IS JUST A PRAYER AWAY! HE HEARS EVERY WORD YOU SAY, HE SEE'S EVERYTHING YOU DO AND HE KNOWS EVERY THOUGHT YOU EVER HAD!
No matter how hard you try to avoid God, Every time you go outside you feel the rays of the Sun that God created, you breath the air that God created and when you sit under a tree, God created that as well.
NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY! GOD IS EVERYWHERE!
HE KNEW YOU BY NAME BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE AND HE KNEW ALL THE SINS YOU EVER DID AND YET HE WAS STILL WILLING TO DIE ON THE CROSS FOR YOU.
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melly~thwarting Satan since... 2012/05/12 05:14:46
New International Version (NIV)
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
You can't see because you are in darkness. or because your heart is hardened
Romans 1: 28-32
New International Version (NIV)
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and anim...
New International Version (NIV)
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
You can't see because you are in darkness. or because your heart is hardened
Romans 1: 28-32
New International Version (NIV)
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
But when I became a Christian a light came on and I saw things different from that moment. It became very clear because the Holy Spirit came in to my life and showed me what I had once read in the Bible and did not understand and now was perfectly clear.
I see the world different also and from God's prospective.
DO I KNOW EVERYTHING? NO! BUT THIS I DO KNOW YOU ARE ARE HEARING THE FOLLOWING FROM A FORMER ATHEIST:
Jesus Christ is the son of the Living God, born of a Virgin, and is Creator God who died on the cross for the Sins of the whole World and rose from the dead and He paid the price for your sins and my sins too.
ONE THING KEEPS YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE FROM HAVING ETERNAL LIFE AND THAT IS ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST AS LORD.
If you can't look around you and see God in Creation, know this....... I USE TO BE AN ATHEIST TOO!, I looked at the bible Prophecies of Jesus and I discovered I was wrong and I left Atheism and became a Christian.
Here is a challenge to you. With an Open mind... set your bias aside and Read John chapter 3 below in the next post I will add and you do this:
" you say God.... if you are real, show me in what i am reading through your Holy Spirit" because until you have the light of Jesus Christ, you will not...will not understand.
New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Teaches Nicodemus
3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.
2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit.
7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]
9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
12 I have spoken to you ...
New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Teaches Nicodemus
3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.
2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit.
7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]
9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.[e]
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[g]
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
John Testifies Again About Jesus
22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.
23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.
24 (This was before John was put in prison.)
25 An argument developed between some of John’s disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of ceremonial washing.
26 They came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan—the one you testified about—look, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him.”
27 To this John replied, “A person can receive only what is given them from heaven.
28 You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Messiah but am sent ahead of him.’
29 The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete.
30 He must become greater; I must become less.”[h]
31 The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
32 He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33 Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful.
34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God[i] gives the Spirit without limit.
35 The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
In Romans i the Bible says that the evidence in nature clearly shows there is a God and you are without excuse. Why not try opening your eye and put your atheist bias aside.
I use to be an Atheist too and like you, I thought Christians were Idiots. Then I began looking at the evidence presented. And I left Atheism and Became a Christian
If you are not interested in God, why did you come here? Or was it to simply bash God?
If you are interested in knowing the truth it is fully presented above. Look! otherwise if your not interested DON'T WASTE MY TIME
God doesn't have to exist though either. Many things can be proven without a deity. I can explain why you believe in god, I can explain the creation of cells, (I prefer the endosymbiotic theory) I can explain how the universe came to be, all without using god as the explanation. The something from nothing argument applies to both sides so don't even start with it.
There is no scientific evidence for god. The bible is a false authority on anything scientific or relating to atheism, so forget that book. The evidence you've given does not prove a god. It shows your own agenticity. (the ability of the self-aware mind to edit information.)
Don't go around insulting people because your too pig-headed to see that we have thought out the issue and come to a conclusion based on our own agenticity. I don't care that you love god. I'm actually happy for you, but calling me dumb for not believing in your opinion, Is childish and mean. My cognition is fairly adept for my age. Thank you very much.
It is the Atheist that have forced their way into the Public Schools, It is the Atheist that demanded that all Crosses be removed from Hills, It is Atheist that tried to ban Jesus Bumper stickers in a State back East, It is the Atheist that demanded that Creation be not taught along Evolution.
It is the Atheist that run to any Post or discussion on God with a ready sources of Anti Bible Graphics.
Me on the Other hand I intend to Preach Jesus, Crucified and Risen from the Dead and that Jesus Christ is Lord and that Every Knee shall bow and Every Tongue shall confess to the Glory of God that Jesus is Lord
I read "they discredit themselves and show themselves to be fools." as calling all atheists fools, not just the extreme ones.
I just want to correct one thing. I've never met an atheist that wanted any of those things besides no creationism in science classes. (I think that's understandable though, because biological sciences feel evolution a fact of life. There is no other testable way the fossil records and DNA records could line up like they do. They do try to be delicate of religions when talking about it, but science doesn't work with the same stuff religion does, so it can't really say that creationism is a viable theory.) I will stipulate that I have met many atheists that have huge supplies of anti-religion pictures, but I've also met many theists with the anti-atheism pictures.
No..... God said: " The " Fool" has said in his Heart there is no God.
If you have a problem with that verse take it up with God.
When you quote something like that you are in fact agreeing with it. It's like in jr high when the bullies would say mean things and their lackeys would sit their laughing with them. That was approval for the bully's opinion. They were just as much of a bully as the bully him/herself. so, for future reference, don't quote insults. (sorry, being mean is the one thing I have no situational salience for.)
I would also like to say,trying to convert us is not going to work out well for you. That's another thing we find very annoying. We all came to atheism for some reason or another. For me, I found it to be the most logical conclusion. Some people came to it because of really terrible experiences, some just found it the most logical conclusion. My point is: we're here, We're not trying to convert you, so return the courtesy. We understand that god will send us to a burning pit because he can't stand it when people don't love him more than they love life. We choose this. OK?
IT'S CALLED A BLOCK
I'm not going to argue science with you here. There is no point in it, because your arguments have shown that you have no qualms about twisting science to serve your purpose. What I will argue here, is motivation.
It always struck me as odd, that people who claim to have a monopoly on morality, would need the threat of a celestial spanking from a divine father-figure; to keep them in line; and then to use THAT as evidence that WE (atheists) are the evil ones. I don't need to be held accountable to any god, who would threaten me with eternal torment; to make me treat my fellow human being with respect and dignity. I don't need the carrot either. the promise of Heaven is no insentive for me to be kind. I do that anyway, without any belief in an afterlife.
The truth is I don't want to believe or disbelieve in God. Whether or not there is a god, to me is no different than whether or not I believe in Einsteins theory of relativity. It's just information to be analized. I find the information in the Bible not to be credible. I could be wrong, and that would be fine with me; but base...
I'm not going to argue science with you here. There is no point in it, because your arguments have shown that you have no qualms about twisting science to serve your purpose. What I will argue here, is motivation.
It always struck me as odd, that people who claim to have a monopoly on morality, would need the threat of a celestial spanking from a divine father-figure; to keep them in line; and then to use THAT as evidence that WE (atheists) are the evil ones. I don't need to be held accountable to any god, who would threaten me with eternal torment; to make me treat my fellow human being with respect and dignity. I don't need the carrot either. the promise of Heaven is no insentive for me to be kind. I do that anyway, without any belief in an afterlife.
The truth is I don't want to believe or disbelieve in God. Whether or not there is a god, to me is no different than whether or not I believe in Einsteins theory of relativity. It's just information to be analized. I find the information in the Bible not to be credible. I could be wrong, and that would be fine with me; but based on my best understanding of all of the information I have been able to gather, I find it unlikely that there is a god. And that's fine with me too.
This hit-piece is actually MORE convincing to me that people like you have no idea what you're talking about. You discuss science, and quickly show us that you're out of your depth, so you make assertions about our motives, and quickly show that you're making that up too. I don't deny the possibility that you were once an atheist; but the great thing about atheists is that we are not of one mind about anything, except that we doubt the existance of a god. We all have our motives. You can't speak for us at all anymore. And there was never a time when you could speak for all of us. I can't even do that, and I'm still an atheist.
My point was: stop slandering atheists. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. If you believe in a god, believe in him. If you think you can prove, scientifically, that he exists, go ahead and make your case; but stop spreading blanket statemetns about the character of atheists, when you clearly don't know whereof you speak.
God could have prevented Adam from sinning but God did not want Robots to love him because that is not true love. God wanted us to love him because we love him and God was not going to force his love on us either.
WE HAVE TO CHOOSE.
QUESTION: Why is there so much sin in the World? Man was perfect when God created him but He gave him a will and the ability to choose. Both Adam and Eve sinned and thus Sin entered in the World
DOES THAT MAKE GOD EVIL BECAUSE OF ALL THE SUFFERING IN THE WORLD?
NO! AND WHY?
Because God knew what the sin met. It met that man was seperated from God because God is Holy so God sent his Only Son to die in my place and your place to take our judgement on himself who knew no sin and was Perfect. Who was God in the flesh. Having created the Universe he stepped into our world and allowed sinful man to beat him, spit upon him mock him and put nails in his hands and feet and God allowed them to kill him.
AND WHAT DID JESUS SAY ON THE CROSS? CURSE YOU? NO! HE SAID FATHER, FORGIVE THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!
AND HE DIED. Three days later, He rose from the dead to prove that He was God and...
God could have prevented Adam from sinning but God did not want Robots to love him because that is not true love. God wanted us to love him because we love him and God was not going to force his love on us either.
WE HAVE TO CHOOSE.
QUESTION: Why is there so much sin in the World? Man was perfect when God created him but He gave him a will and the ability to choose. Both Adam and Eve sinned and thus Sin entered in the World
DOES THAT MAKE GOD EVIL BECAUSE OF ALL THE SUFFERING IN THE WORLD?
NO! AND WHY?
Because God knew what the sin met. It met that man was seperated from God because God is Holy so God sent his Only Son to die in my place and your place to take our judgement on himself who knew no sin and was Perfect. Who was God in the flesh. Having created the Universe he stepped into our world and allowed sinful man to beat him, spit upon him mock him and put nails in his hands and feet and God allowed them to kill him.
AND WHAT DID JESUS SAY ON THE CROSS? CURSE YOU? NO! HE SAID FATHER, FORGIVE THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!
AND HE DIED. Three days later, He rose from the dead to prove that He was God and that He defeated death.
AND BECAUSE HE DEFEATED DEATH WE CAN TOO, Yes we die Physically but not Spiritually. If we trust Jesus as Lord.
NOW THEN IS THAT LOVE? YES BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE MOCKED HIM AND CURSED HIM, YET HE STILL LOVES US AND IS WILLING TO FORGIVE US IF WE ASK.
JOHN 3:16-17
ROMANS 10:9-10
ROMANS 3;10
ROMANS 3;23
"So God
created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and
female he created them" we are far from perfect.
"Major engineering offenses on the part of god:
No redundancy for upwards of 5 mission-critical systems (brain, heart, liver, spinal cord, reproductive organs, etc.)
Unable to develop a suitable mechanism to regulate sperm temperature, highly vulnerable, mission-critical testes are located OUTSIDE the body - a crappy hack of a solution
Baby heads commonly max out or exceed the size limit for a vagina, making reproduction difficult and/or dangerous
Carelessly forgot to remove wisdom teeth, appendix, male nipples, v. 1.0 obviously rushed out the door
Knees, ankles, wrists have unacceptably high failure rate
Impact to head often initiates immediate shutdown and self-destruct failure mode (unconsciousness -> swelling of brain -> death)
False positives in immune system extremely common, can lead to death or disability. I.e. anti-virus system is sometimes a self-destruct system
Over 200 moving parts, ma...
"So God
created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and
female he created them" we are far from perfect.
"Major engineering offenses on the part of god:
No redundancy for upwards of 5 mission-critical systems (brain, heart, liver, spinal cord, reproductive organs, etc.)
Unable to develop a suitable mechanism to regulate sperm temperature, highly vulnerable, mission-critical testes are located OUTSIDE the body - a crappy hack of a solution
Baby heads commonly max out or exceed the size limit for a vagina, making reproduction difficult and/or dangerous
Carelessly forgot to remove wisdom teeth, appendix, male nipples, v. 1.0 obviously rushed out the door
Knees, ankles, wrists have unacceptably high failure rate
Impact to head often initiates immediate shutdown and self-destruct failure mode (unconsciousness -> swelling of brain -> death)
False positives in immune system extremely common, can lead to death or disability. I.e. anti-virus system is sometimes a self-destruct system
Over 200 moving parts, many are delicate, most parts very difficult to replace, sourcing new parts nearly impossible
Break-in-period before self-sufficient operation is significantly more than a decade
Most units feature unwanted hair growth, requiring constant maintenance
Safe operating temperature range is significantly narrower than those found in many environments on earth, requiring costly accessories and housing
Safe duty cycle is lower than 75%, uses 50-100w even when idle: highly inefficient"
Much ado is made about atheists, but only a very, very small percentage of humans actually belong to that group. However it seems to me that a wise person, atheist or those who believe in a creator, would seek to connect with that Creator if there exists any chance that such a creator exists. Probably no one really believes there is not at least a chance.
Now, exactly WHO that designer/creator IS becomes a matter of FAITH.
My reading of the Bible hasn't made me think I am bound in any way to try to PROVE the God of the Bible is that Creator. The Bible instructs me to believe. Period. However, there are those who wish and consider it important to "prove" the God of the Bible is the Creator. I have no quarrel with them trying to do that.
But, after one chooses to believe in the God of the Bible, that person will receive his own personal witness of the Truth and "proof" is no longer necessary. I have done that, and those that know me can not deny the changes, and the joy and peace thay see in my life.
You may say that I am basing my belief on experiential evidence, or that I am brainwashed. Be that as it may, I would not change the choice I made to believe in the Creator/God of the Christian Bible.