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Flowers 2012/05/10 13:43:04
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This article is PROBABLY going to upset a lot of people.

That is not my intention. But, I feel it's important for people to be educated on the REAL history of our world and the people who lived in it.

Open your minds, take a moment to consider the sad fact that many people lie about historical events for their own selfish reasons and educate yourself.

The link in the article doesn't work, so if anyone has any evidence to suggest what is said in this article is false or misleading, then share it! But, don't be hateful and don't expect me to show respect if none is shown. Just be respectful and I will show the same courtesy. It's NOT my writing, just re-posting it here.

http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html
When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set
in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a
concept and ritual. Prof. John Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale
University’s history department, discovered that in addition to
heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical
documents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex
Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men"
(11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols
of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a
blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right
hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the
taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was
celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary
illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil
the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

Original Article or

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Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St. Catherine's Monastery
on Mt. Sinai in Israel. It shows two robed Christian saints. Between
them is a traditional Roman ‘pronubus’ (a best man), overseeing a
wedding. The pronubus is Christ. The married couple are both men.

Is
the icon suggesting that a gay "wedding" is being sanctified by Christ
himself? The idea seems shocking. But the full answer comes from other
early Christian sources about the two men featured in the icon, St.
Sergius and St. Bacchus, two Roman soldiers who were Christian martyrs.
These two officers in the Roman army incurred the anger of Emperor
Maximian when they were exposed as ‘secret Christians’ by refusing to
enter a pagan temple. Both were sent to Syria circa 303 CE where Bacchus
is thought to have died while being flogged. Sergius survived torture
but was later beheaded. Legend says that Bacchus appeared to the dying
Sergius as an angel, telling him to be brave because they would soon be
reunited in heaven.

While the pairing of saints, particularly in
the early Christian church, was not unusual, the association of these
two men was regarded as particularly intimate. Severus, the Patriarch of
Antioch (AD 512 - 518) explained that, "we should not separate in
speech they [Sergius and Bacchus] who were joined in life". This is not a
case of simple "adelphopoiia." In the definitive 10th century account
of their lives, St. Sergius is openly celebrated as the "sweet companion
and lover" of St. Bacchus. Sergius and Bacchus's close relationship has
led many modern scholars to believe they were lovers. But the most
compelling evidence for this view is that the oldest text of their
martyrology, written in New Testament Greek describes them as "erastai,”
or "lovers". In other words, they were a male homosexual couple. Their
orientation and relationship was not only acknowledged, but it was fully
accepted and celebrated by the early Christian church, which was far
more tolerant than it is today.

Contrary to myth, Christianity's
concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ,
but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual.

Prof. John
Boswell, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department,
discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in
ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also
ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th
century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These
church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole
community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the
altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were
exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a
wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements
all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the
Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his
companion John.

Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also
took place in Ireland in the late 12thand/ early 13th century, as the
chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.

Same-sex
unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender
ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th
century rite, "Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union", invoked St. Serge and
St. Bacchus, and called on God to "vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N
and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not
be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of
the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes:
"And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be
concluded".

Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the
Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their
right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left
hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss
each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist,
would give them both communion.

Records of Christian same sex
unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the
Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai,
covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century.

The
Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes such
ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,
“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae
Liturgiae” (Paris, 1667).

While homosexuality was technically
illegal from late Roman times, homophobic writings didn’t appear in
Western Europe until the late 14th century. Even then,
church-consecrated same sex unions continued to take place.

At
St. John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope's parish church) in
1578, as many as thirteen same-gender couples were joined during a high
Mass and with the cooperation of the Vatican clergy, "taking communion
together, using the same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and
ate together" according to a contemporary report. Another woman to woman
union is recorded in Dalmatia in the 18th century.

Prof.
Boswell's academic study is so well researched and documented that it
poses fundamental questions for both modern church leaders and
heterosexual Christians about their own modern attitudes towards
homosexuality.

For the Church to ignore the evidence in its own
archives would be cowardly and deceptive. The evidence convincingly
shows that what the modern church claims has always been its unchanging
attitude towards homosexuality is, in fact, nothing of the sort.

It
proves that for the last two millennia, in parish churches and
cathedrals throughout Christendom, from Ireland to Istanbul and even in
the heart of Rome itself, homosexual relationships were accepted as
valid expressions of a God-given love and committment to another person,
a love that could be celebrated, honored and blessed, through the
Eucharist in the name of, and in the presence of, Jesus Christ.


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Here is another link regarding the same painting in the Kiev Museum

http://www.allmercifulsavior.com/icons/Icons-Sergius.htm

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  • ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾ 2012/05/12 17:59:16 (edited)
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    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite

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    When Same Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite
  • Flowers ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/12 20:55:53 (edited)
    Flowers
    I actually I thought YOU copied mine, but I was much nicer about it when I commented on yours. Every poll on this site has a unique number at the end. They are sequential order. My poll question was question-2647371/

    and yours is question-2647491/


    So.... If I am correct (which I could be, but that is just what I have observed in the past) YOU wrote your poll question after I did.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Flowers 2012/05/12 20:57:11 (edited)
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    i did mine yesterday

    Edit: my apolgizes we shouldnt fight we should spread the truth out there im sorry for how my original response was i am sorry
  • Flowers ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/12 20:58:32
    Flowers
    I did mine on the 10th. Look at the numbers at the end of the HTTP address
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Flowers 2012/05/12 21:11:05
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    i did mine on the tenth also we are on the same side my apologize s
  • Flowers ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/12 21:00:38
    Flowers
    If I had seen it from you, I would have said "LOOK WHAT DAW SHOWED ME!" or something like that. Thank you for the apology, I don't want to fight either.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Flowers 2012/05/12 21:11:38
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    +1
    we most likely did the same poll on the same day and not realized it

    i apologize
  • Flowers ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/12 21:13:37
    Flowers
    +1
    :) no worries! what a coincidence that we posted about the same topic, from different news sources.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... Flowers 2012/05/13 02:04:12
  • Flowers ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/13 03:39:26
    Flowers
    Lol!!
  • Thank you but no... 2012/05/12 17:54:13
    Thoughts...
    Thank you but no...
    Interesting...
  • ehrhornp 2012/05/11 16:31:56
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    ehrhornp
    +1
    Am not surprised. I have heard this before.
  • Donald Eric Kesler 2012/05/11 12:21:18
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    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    I would like to see the source material for this paper. If the conclusions are sound, it would mean very little to most religions today, but it would be very interesting historically.

    Contrary to popular opinion, scriptural interpretation has evolved and changed over the years. During America's colonial period, Puritans interpreted the old testament commandment about honoring ones mother and father to include queens and kings.

    Still, I would like to confirm the source material before speculating on this too much.
  • Flowers Donald ... 2012/05/11 12:30:56
    Flowers
    +1
    If you find stuff to refute the info please let me know! Thanks
  • Donald ... Flowers 2012/05/11 12:42:22
    Donald Eric Kesler
    +1
    I will. Please do likewise.

    This could turn out to be just like that paper on the pagan origin of the Easter Bunny that floated about the internet a few years back. This could turn out to be something very, very interesting.

    The homosexuality addressed in the new testament is not the same as the homosexuality practiced today. Most biblical scholars are of the opinion that the Apostle Paul and others were concerned with the practice of Pederasty, which amongst the ancient Greek is not like anything we would recognize today. As it relates to this paper, pederasts were not forming committed relationships with their partners.

    Again, I should dig up their sources before commenting further. At this point, I am just making noise a.k.a. thinking aloud.
  • Flowers Donald ... 2012/05/11 15:51:04
    Flowers
    Pederastry? I've never heard of that I'll have to look it up
  • Donald ... Flowers 2012/05/12 16:29:21
    Donald Eric Kesler
    As practiced by the ancient Greeks, It was sex between an older man and a much younger man in their early teens. Generally, the older man would be the one to instigate the relationship; however, there is an account of Socrates attempting to dodge the advances of a much younger man.

    Warning: The following paragraph is a graphic description of pederastic sex as practiced by the ancient Greeks. It is not written for salacious purposes, but to illustrate the difference between modern homosexuality and the act of pederasty that was addressed by the Apostle Paul and other New Testament writers.

    During the sex act, as practiced by the ancient Greeks, the older man would mount the younger man from behind. He would place his penis between the thighs of the younger man. Anal sex was not practiced. It was also considered improper for the younger man to be erect during the act.

    For further reading, “The World of Athens: An Introduction to Classical Athenian Culture” published by Cambridge University Press.
  • Barbara 2012/05/11 03:19:53 (edited)
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    Barbara
    +1
    Very interesting. This is why I love history so much. The more we learn the more we realize there is so much more to learn.
    Scientists (and I cannot give names right now) have found a gene or DNA marker that determines whether or not a man would have homosexual tendencies, which brings up another topic. If it is a sin, then is this tendency to be something to one has to overcome? There has not been such DNA finding for women as of yet.
    This could become a very flammable discussion, and although I believe what Paul said in Romans to be true, nothing is ever cut and dried.
    I do agree with Sister Jean that church and state need to get out of our bedrooms.
  • Scott 2012/05/10 22:58:57
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    Scott
    +1
    Jesus taught us to love our fellow human beings, not to persecute them. If a man and woman can be together intimately then why not two people of the same gender also.
  • Flowers Scott 2012/05/11 04:36:45
    Flowers
    I agree :)
  • Silversnake 2012/05/10 22:49:19
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    Silversnake
    +1
    As a homosexual Christian this definitely doesn't upset me. Thanks for posting it, in fact
  • Flowers Silvers... 2012/05/11 04:37:12 (edited)
    Flowers
    +1
    wonderful! Thank you for commenting
  • TheMadChameleon 2012/05/10 22:22:28
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    TheMadChameleon
    +2
    Interesting! It's surprising, but in a lovely way.
  • ««Gingey, the Master Debate... 2012/05/10 20:53:53
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    ««Gingey, the Master Debater of Þ|-|Дэ†»»
    +4
    Wow, very interesting. I had no idea! Thank you for sharing this.
  • Flowers ««Ginge... 2012/05/10 21:20:15
    Flowers
    +3
    You're welcome! Thanks for commenting :)
  • Dana Flowers 2012/05/10 22:19:29
    Dana
    +2
    Wow, no kidding, excellent excellent info, thanks for posting it!
  • peaches 2012/05/10 20:27:20
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    peaches
    +4
    I think it's funny when people assume that society is making more people turn gay, and that there were less homosexuals in earlier times. This obivously proves them wrong :P
    Hopefully this articles will make people stop questioning my faith just because I am bisexual, in a homosexual relationship, and support gay marriages 100%!
  • Flowers peaches 2012/05/10 21:22:30
    Flowers
    +3
    I hope it does. I just want people to be aware that it's not their job to pass judgment on others, and their accusations are based on selfish rulers who didn't care about people they cared about control.
  • peaches Flowers 2012/05/10 21:52:26
    peaches
    +2
    I agree! That article shows that their definition of the "tradition of marriage" hasn't been around as long as they think it has, as it is constantly changing and is different in other people's minds. So preventing gay marriages doesn't "protect the santicty of marriage" lol
  • Flowers peaches 2012/05/10 22:49:52
    Flowers
    +2
    Unfortunately, the worst offenders of the whole issue are ignoring this
  • peaches Flowers 2012/05/11 00:48:28
    peaches
    +2
    Of course, they avoid any situation that may prove them wrong...
  • Bozette 2012/05/10 19:23:53
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    Bozette
    +4
    That is very interesting, I was not aware of this. Of course homosexuality has existed since Biblical times and was widely accepted in many cultures throughout history.

    That does not change the fact that most Christians do and will continue to believe it to be a sin, as it is written in both the Old and New Testements. The fact that the Catholic Church performed these ceromonies does not prove that either Jesus or God approved.

    Just because we believe it to be a sin, does not mean that we hate homosexuals, that is not what Jesus taught. Nor is it up to us to judge anyone else, we are all sinners and judgement is God's job. I know that there are hateful and judgemental people out there, but please don't think that all Christians are because of the actions of some.
  • Flowers Bozette 2012/05/10 19:29:28
    Flowers
    +3
    WELL Said Bozette! thank you :)
  • Sister Jean 2012/05/10 19:03:17
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    Sister Jean
    +13
    I think church and state need to get out of bedrooms
  • Flowers Sister ... 2012/05/10 19:07:36
    Flowers
    +5
    I agree! Thank you sister Jean.
  • Spizzzo... Sister ... 2012/05/12 11:06:02
  • @TheMissesHelp <-Follow/Twe... 2012/05/10 18:53:40
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    @TheMissesHelp <-Follow/Tweet me
    I bate when media tries any way they can to manipulate my beliefs...
  • Flowers @TheMis... 2012/05/10 18:58:45
    Flowers
    +5
    ? I don't understand your comment
  • Sister ... Flowers 2012/05/10 19:03:42
    Sister Jean
    +6
    me either
  • prayer warrior 2012/05/10 18:40:25
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    prayer warrior
    +4
    Well I do know that for people some things are not decisions but how we feel. Sceintist have stated that there is a difference in the brain between homosexuals and hetrosexuals. I don't think that God makes junk so these are His children also. Then is it not said in the bible judge not least you be judged yourself.

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