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  • mjkowal WinterLynn 2012/05/23 14:42:52
    mjkowal
    +1
    He is a mythical character used to assist people with their moral compass. Research this information. Take a look at all of the similiarities between the story of Jesus and the stories of many other mythical characters throughout time. There is nothing wrong with believing in Christ and his teachings, for the most part they are good lessons. However when people use their belief in God or Jesus to discriminate, judge and sentence others that's when I take issue.
  • Truth Matters 2012/05/21 18:24:10
    Believer
    Truth Matters
    +3
    I believe because I think Christ authenticated himself to be who He claimed to be.

    Any idiot can not believe. A houseplant or a cat can not believe. It takes thought and spirit to believe.
  • bagoshi Truth M... 2012/05/22 01:40:53 (edited)
    bagoshi
    +2
    Any idiot can be a believer accept what they are told. It takes an intelligent person to do research and ask deep and serious question and do a lot of work to find real answers.

    "Fear believes, courage doubts. Fear falls upon the earth and prays, courage stands erect and thinks. Fear retreats, courage advances. Fear is barbarism, courage is civilization. Fear believes in witchcraft, in devils and in ghosts. Fear is religion, courage is science." -Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899)
  • Truth M... bagoshi 2012/05/22 02:16:13
    Truth Matters
    +3
    You have no argument. I don't mindlessly believe in God. I'll put my evidence for God against your evidence for No God any day.

    Now where is your evidence for No God? Then why do you believe No God exists?
  • bagoshi Truth M... 2012/05/22 02:27:10
    bagoshi
    Exactly where is the 'authentification'?
  • Truth M... bagoshi 2012/05/22 22:30:23
    Truth Matters
    +2
    Resurrection from dead, massive public miracles, sublime teachings, healings.
  • Rave 2012/05/21 18:22:20
    Nonbeliever
    Rave
    +3
    Jesus, a man, might have existed. Was he the son of God? No, that's unlikely. I have never seen any evidence of this apart from tales and that just isn't enough.
  • Michael=Constitution & Liberty 2012/05/21 18:19:31
    Believer
    Michael=Constitution & Liberty
    +2
    I do Believe.
  • Shadow13 2012/05/21 18:13:28
    Nonbeliever
    Shadow13
    +4
    I believe there was a man named Jesus and even as far as he traveled around Judea espousing a philosophy. I have my doubts about the claims of the supernatural and the divinity of anyone. While many religions were devised as a means of understanding the universe in the means afforded by primitive cultures, monotheistic religions are different they exist merely to establish authority and grant the illusion of support from the divines towards self appointed rulers.
    Understanding or the desire for understanding the universe is an admirable goal. The problem with monotheism is that it gives you a universal answer and actively discourages one from further inquiry. The stigma and fear of heresy created stifles curiosity and innovation and instead replaces it with superstition, this is why the "Dark Ages" were so dark.
  • Barbara Shadow13 2012/05/21 20:23:13
    Barbara
    +1
    Religion wasn't the only factor that made the Dark Ages so dark. The church, which was the Roman Catholic Church, since this was pre-reformation, did try to keep people in the "dark" as far as being able to read the Bible for themselves and the superstitions which the people lived under, but Europe had a ton of problems.
    During the Dark Ages, they had everything going against them: the fall of the Roman Empire was the biggest factor that led to the beginning of the Dark Ages. The Roman infrastructure broke down and people were more isolated than before.
    They went through a mini-ice-age, which helped the Black Death to take over and grow. Their crops were failing and there was famine.
    Strangely enough, if the people had known at that time that potatoes could have given them all the basic nutrients required for a healthier environment, things would not have been as bad as they were. Potatoes at that time were considered inedible because they grew in-ground and did not flourish above-ground like wheat and barley would. And the list goes on. People were not as curious about the universe at that time because they were trying to merely survive here on earth.
  • bagoshi Barbara 2012/05/22 01:44:56
    bagoshi
    +1
    The church was also in part responsible for the spread of The Black Death as it taught that washing and cleanliness was ungodly. That practice was a key factor in the spread of the disease.
  • Truth M... Shadow13 2012/05/23 02:28:49 (edited)
    Truth Matters
    +2
    What a load of bull.
    The Dark Ages were 'dark' because the barbarians hoards of Europe and Central Asia who sacked Rome and dominated Europe were illiterate - so we know very little beyond what those Christian monks who dotted the European landscape recorded. Christianity ALONE civilized European culture, developed the modern scientific method, instituted Universities and hospitals, etc. Claiming Christianity is responsible for the Dark Ages is like claiming Physicians cause disease.

    You should be embarrassed. Your education has failed you.
  • Shadow13 Truth M... 2012/05/23 03:10:41
    Shadow13
    +1
    The renaissance is what led us out of the Dark Ages. It was then that scientific thought, rationality, and non religious philosophy began influencing the people of Europe.

    The Muslim empires were far more advanced than their European counterparts. They led in medicine, art, commerce, and architecture till the crusades torched large swaths of land and turned their culture towards religious fundamentalism. Muslims actually realized that mental conditions were pathological rather than Europe's enlightened perspectives that it was "demons."

    Then just like today, Christianity continues to resist the obvious scientific truths, and for what, because they cannot believe that their book is not infallible.

    Try telling the masses murdered and tortured because their pursuit of science was persecuted as heresy.
  • Truth M... Shadow13 2012/05/23 03:33:53
    Truth Matters
    +2
    You are absolutely factually dead wrong in your assessment. You have swallowed a load of propaganda that is in direct conflict with factual reality.

    (fact) There was no science or literacy in Europe outside the church. Europe was barbarian and illiterate. Christianity civilized these barbarian people. Islam had zilch to do with the advances of the Persians accomplished before Islam.

    In fact, it's Atheistic idiots like you who corrupt science and resist what modern science reveals - a Universe with an absolute physical beginning (Big Bang), Precision fine tuning of the early cosmos for carbon life, radically complex integrated biological designs driven by DNA software.

    Get a clue.
  • Shadow13 Truth M... 2012/05/23 04:18:46 (edited)
    Shadow13
    +1
    You do know what barbarian meant, right? It was anyone who did not live in the Roman or Greek empires. It did not mean they were stupid or violent brutes. Many of them had their own cultures and high rates of literacy. However much of that changed with the late Roman empire's rapid expansion and attempt to force Latin upon everyone. Considering that the only producers of writings and manuscripts was the church then highlights perfectly why the dark ages persisted. It wasn't until the movable type font printing press did secular and scientific literature come into circulation and literacy expanded rapidly. You just disclosed that for much of the Dark ages the church held the effective monopoly on reading and literature, and just like today (private schools after they gut public schools with corrupt legislation) they attempt to control the academic institutions for their own needs. It was when education was liberated from the church did the renaissance come into effect.

    It is the religious that deny the "Big Bang" and favor creationism. The complexity of DNA is evidence of countless trial and errors through generations and mutations. You are the fools that believe in a 6000 year Earth, and a magic man in the sky that just popped things into existence.

    The truth does matter, but it seems your version of the truth is merely subjective.
  • Radical Ed Shadow13 2012/05/23 07:08:05
    Radical Ed
    the laughing man knows a lot.
  • Truth M... Shadow13 2012/05/23 13:10:04
    Truth Matters
    +2
    Another load of ridiculous excuses. You are proven dead wrong and have no excuse. Stop trying to BS your way around the facts.

    You have human rights under God because of Christianity. It is simply a fact that the dark ages are 'dark' because our illiterate barbarian European ancestors kept no records and lived a brutal existence. It's simply a fact that most of what we know of this era was recorded by those monks who were forced from Rome and into survival within the European landscape.

    It is simply a fact that Big Bang confirms exactly what Theism has predicted - an absolute physical beginning from physical nothing. It is simply a fact that you have absolutely no rationally coherent mechanism to explain the existence of DNA information or the radically sophisticated machinery it operates within the molecular level.

    Instead, you offer lies and excuses for being proven dead wrong.
  • Shadow13 Truth M... 2012/05/23 14:25:54
    Shadow13
    Claiming the "magic man" did something because you do not understand it does not make it so. Bill O'Reily until recently attributed the tides to the "magic man" until it was pointed out to him that the moon is what influences the tides. Convenient answers found in a book full of stories about murder and incest that a "magic man" made these thing because a fool cannot grasp the real reasons or even have the humility to accept that one does not know are not answers they are excuses from even attempting to understand.

    You want an example of the church's role in the dark age? Take Galileo. he observed a heliocentric system and a more spherical shape of the planet, meanwhile the church promoted the terracentric system and the idea that the world was flat. They considered Galileo's work to be heretical, and under threat of death, torture, and excommunication he was forced to recant. However, history has proven him right and once again the church wrong. Thanks to the renaissance people heard his story. The age of enlightenment came about as the church's strangle hold on people's souls was losing its grip. The dark ages came about because of great changes in the world and a group that claimed to have all the answers, to keep that facade and their power they perpetrated atrocity...

    Claiming the "magic man" did something because you do not understand it does not make it so. Bill O'Reily until recently attributed the tides to the "magic man" until it was pointed out to him that the moon is what influences the tides. Convenient answers found in a book full of stories about murder and incest that a "magic man" made these thing because a fool cannot grasp the real reasons or even have the humility to accept that one does not know are not answers they are excuses from even attempting to understand.

    You want an example of the church's role in the dark age? Take Galileo. he observed a heliocentric system and a more spherical shape of the planet, meanwhile the church promoted the terracentric system and the idea that the world was flat. They considered Galileo's work to be heretical, and under threat of death, torture, and excommunication he was forced to recant. However, history has proven him right and once again the church wrong. Thanks to the renaissance people heard his story. The age of enlightenment came about as the church's strangle hold on people's souls was losing its grip. The dark ages came about because of great changes in the world and a group that claimed to have all the answers, to keep that facade and their power they perpetrated atrocity after atrocity to maintain their manipulation through superstition.

    You can keep on believing in your "magic man" I don't care. You can keep your faith and gullibility in a being that cares so much about you to make sure you can get to the gas station on "E" while millions of children in poverty and famine starve to death today.
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  • prayer warrior 2012/05/21 18:10:31
    Believer
    prayer warrior
    +3
    I am one who believe in the way and the light.
    Black Jesus Christ
  • bagoshi prayer ... 2012/05/22 01:46:33 (edited)
    bagoshi
    +1
    3000 years befor Jesus Horus was the lway, the truth and the light!


    horus
  • prayer ... bagoshi 2012/05/22 23:15:37
    prayer warrior
    +1
    There are many things that appear to be borrowed. But does that mean it isn't true ?
  • ROLMAO prayer ... 2012/05/22 11:39:29
  • prayer ... ROLMAO 2012/05/22 23:14:56
    prayer warrior
    +1
    You are welcome
  • "SennaKoshiba" 2012/05/21 17:57:02
    Nonbeliever
    "SennaKoshiba"
    +4
    i can haz evidense of gawd plz?

    Lol, thought that might be fun XD haz evidense gawd plz lol fun xd evidence of god

    Sorry, just love this piece too much XD
  • Truth M... "SennaK... 2012/05/21 17:59:14 (edited)
    Truth Matters
    +1
    Do the chemicals cause that illusion in your head Ms Atheist?

    You sure put a lot of faith in those chemical illusions in your head.
  • "SennaK... Truth M... 2012/05/21 18:03:36 (edited)
    "SennaKoshiba"
    +2
    Chemical illusions? That I'd like to hear about =.

    At any rate, it'll be interesting, cuz you must know everything for what it is, cuz your name has, "Truth" in it!! :D And asdskjkdsf awesomejkhgfejbk TRUTH!!

    So please, enlighten me, you'll be soo good at it c:
  • Truth M... "SennaK... 2012/05/21 20:32:29
    Truth Matters
    +1
    Yes Senna. I will enlighten you.
    If there is no God, then you are 100% chemical animal, You have no free-willed soul or mind apart from chemicals - just chemicals causing whatever illusions chemicals cause. Your mind would be 100% chemical delusion if there where no God or soul behind your brain. The logic is absolute.

    If you disagree, then tell us exactly what part of your mind is not caused by chemicals - consistent with No God / no soul? That's right - absolutely Nothing. Your mind is 100% CHEMICALLY induced delusion if Atheism is correct.

    Don't offer empty complaints because you never bothered to think through the logic. Logic matters. Reason Matters. Truth Matters
  • bagoshi Truth M... 2012/05/22 02:02:07
    bagoshi
    +1
    Free will is an illusion. You are full of crap that only a christian could make up such idiocy.
  • Truth M... bagoshi 2012/05/22 02:19:02
    Truth Matters
    +1
    "Free will is an illusion. "

    Then so is that illusion in you head. Why do you believe it? Logic matters.

    If free-will is an illusion, then a child rapist has no actual choice - and your outrage is unjustified and irrational. Logic matters.
  • bagoshi Truth M... 2012/05/22 03:34:48
    bagoshi
    +1
    Here you go again with your silly rant about child rape.
    You have nothing else on your mind but children and sex.
    Are you a pedophile????

    You are yet again projecting your hate and hysteria onto others.
    You apparently have no choice but to continually present the exact same statement repetatively on this same website for months on end. You have lost this argument numerous times and continue anyway.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. You are definitely insane!

    You are in a perpetual circle with no way out. You are a cyclical loser.

    Tuck your tiny little penis under your skirt and go home to your daddy. I am sure he will take you to the hospital and they can administer your medication there.
  • Truth M... bagoshi 2012/05/22 22:30:56
    Truth Matters
    +2
    You have no case. You can't engage my argument, so you throw a fit.
  • "SennaK... Truth M... 2012/05/22 02:48:13
    "SennaKoshiba"
    +1
    Complaints? No, this is interesting. It makes sense; certain hormones and (just to quote and generalize the components) chemicals are released when we feel certain ways, different electrical signals filter through our nervous system, and we become one living mechanism. This is science, and science is absolute, they are observable facts. Not saying all principles are directly observable, but there is indirect evidence to make up for it, and the application is generally solid. And that isn't even what I want to talk about! :D

    Since everything in the universe has a molecular make up (not quite, "literally everything"), and all living organisms have a chemical make up above the molecular, then it makes perfect sense. But, thoughts aren't to be simply dismissed as delusions, they should be viewed as something more, "mechanical" if you will. Sure chemicals are part of it, but cells, structure, and neurons are what create thought.
    OUr words are memory-based, and are stored as organic data. The thought process picks up on the stored data via specific electronic pulse that translates the data into speech, which is transferred to a specific portion of the portion of the brain designated for speech, which then transmits more data into another part of the brain! The process is still carefu...






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    Complaints? No, this is interesting. It makes sense; certain hormones and (just to quote and generalize the components) chemicals are released when we feel certain ways, different electrical signals filter through our nervous system, and we become one living mechanism. This is science, and science is absolute, they are observable facts. Not saying all principles are directly observable, but there is indirect evidence to make up for it, and the application is generally solid. And that isn't even what I want to talk about! :D

    Since everything in the universe has a molecular make up (not quite, "literally everything"), and all living organisms have a chemical make up above the molecular, then it makes perfect sense. But, thoughts aren't to be simply dismissed as delusions, they should be viewed as something more, "mechanical" if you will. Sure chemicals are part of it, but cells, structure, and neurons are what create thought.
    OUr words are memory-based, and are stored as organic data. The thought process picks up on the stored data via specific electronic pulse that translates the data into speech, which is transferred to a specific portion of the portion of the brain designated for speech, which then transmits more data into another part of the brain! The process is still carefully monitored, but has no fully understood method or function that is observably carried out, aside from the neurons transmitting data.
    I thought this up as I went, but I'm not sure how good or bad it was ^_^;;

    Anyway, I Googled around a little bit, and found this:
    http://www.ninds.nih.gov/diso...

    It's really interesting :D
    I'm becoming more and more fascinated with this subject ^w^~ <3

    Is there a god? I have no proof he doesn't exist, but you don't have proof he does exist either. I respect your right to believe in him, I just find your basis to be. . .flawed, yet understandable to an extent. I apologize if you were offended, my joke might be misinterpreted as an insult, and I assure you it isn't.

    Anyway, what do you think about the brain, and how thoughts are formed? :D
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  • Truth M... "SennaK... 2012/05/22 22:34:07 (edited)
    Truth Matters
    +2
    Of course we have electro-chemical components (I shortened it to 'chemical', but the logic is unchanged). The problem is when you assume we are nothing but chemicals and our mind is 100% chemically induced illusion. The logical absurdity doesn't go away by ignoring it and talking about the chemicals.

    BTW Science is not absolute. Science is always provisional. That's why it works.
  • "SennaK... Truth M... 2012/05/23 06:47:17
    "SennaKoshiba"
    Not trying to be rude, but are you a scientist of any variety? =.

    It's not that I'm deluding myself into believing (or not accepting) any one idea or another, it's just my understanding is that they shouldn't be described as, "illusions" is all :T
  • Truth M... "SennaK... 2012/05/23 13:45:20
    Truth Matters
    +2
    I'm personally an engineer who has a sciences background. My father is a Nuclear Physicist .

    The problem is that you are not deluded. Your mind is not a chemical delusion. However, if Atheism were correct, there is no other logical possibility than your mind being a chemical delusion. Atheism is false.
  • "SennaK... Truth M... 2012/05/25 04:20:40
    "SennaKoshiba"
    That's interesting, what's that like? :D

    In your opinion. Downplaying and using the word, "delusion" to describe a medical and chemical phenomena such as the thought process, it's just demeaning to the study :T
    There is an illusion that sound and sight are perceived within the mind, but that's probably the recalling of memory for both senses being transferred to the section of the brain that produces thought (whatever that might be). So maybe that's the only answer, despite how belittling it may sound :3

    By the way, am I accurate in surmising your beliefs as, "science/ evolution is the answer to how, but not the answer to why"? Just meaning; science explains the physical, conceivable ideas of how things operate, while god explains why we're here and who/ what created us.
    I apologize if this offends you, I mean this with the utmost respect.

    I understand, I do, but I don't see any conceivable possibility that the bible is accurate. Buddhism, however, has more merit. Then again, just my opinion *3*


    Also, I thought I'd mention; this has got to be on my top 3 most favorite conversations on SH, that I've ever had ^w^
  • Truth M... "SennaK... 2012/05/25 16:31:58
    Truth Matters
    +1
    Hi Senna,

    I'm at work and cannot give the answers you deserve now. Can you respond with just anything or nothing, so I won't lose the post please? that way I will see the response and will have a link back from home.

    Sorry about the inconvenience
  • "SennaK... Truth M... 2012/05/27 14:45:33
    "SennaKoshiba"
    Hamish burger! :D

    Lol, it's fine I had/ have the same problem X3
    Thank you, btw ^w^
  • Truth M... "SennaK... 2012/05/27 16:46:05
    Truth Matters
    +1
    Oh yeah, about that Hamish burger stuff we were discussing....
  • "SennaK... Truth M... 2012/05/28 02:50:43
    "SennaKoshiba"
    Lol, you said it didn't matter X3

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