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Are Shellfish "Kosher" in Judaism?

Erik Zimerman 2012/05/31 17:42:44
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The answer to this has long been assumed to be one way, and it goes unchallenged and un-explored....

You may know or think you know the answer from personal experience, from movies, media or general popular culture... give your two cents, and read this article for a very interesting revelation on the matter.

Anyone from a non Jewish interested person, to a learned Rabbi I think will find at least some reason to give this question a second thought.

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  • Matt 2012/05/31 19:10:05
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    Matt
    +4
    While not being Jewish and certainly no expert in Talmud interpretation, I believe that shellfish and catfish are regarded as "dirty" because they are bottom feeders and eat whatever happens to fall to the bottom, including fecal matter. Pigs are known to eat fecal matter also and for the same reason, are likewise prohibited.

    Then again, maybe it is just because shellfish are too expensive.

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  • Andrew 2012/06/03 01:54:04
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    Andrew
    dont know
  • HenriLewkowiczhenri 2012/06/01 22:45:37 (edited)
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    HenriLewkowiczhenri
    IN TODAY ages that all kosher thing is for the fools i have an example ,in Montreal of $6.00meat becoming $ 42.00 after the same part of the beef became kosher ..makes you wonder about this idiots buying it .. P S i am a secular Jew .....
  • Michael 2012/06/01 17:19:54
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    Michael
    +1
    The person who wrote the article clearly has too much time on his hands! Wow,I tried to get through it, but ultimately understand why there is so much controversy!
  • Racefish 2012/06/01 15:03:45
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    Racefish
    The old laws were meant to prevent disease and food poisoning. In the era were are in now, "Kosher" doesn't mean as much.
    There are also restrictions about keeping meat and milk in the same vessel. The fat from the meat would taint the milk and it would become unpalatable.
  • POWERSHAKER 2012/06/01 08:17:17
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    POWERSHAKER
    Who cares. I love my lobster, because I'm definitely not Jewish. If you ask me, most Jews don't even keep all those Old Testament laws anymore. They just wear the label of Jewish.
  • beach bum 2012/06/01 05:50:21
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    beach bum
    unsure
  • JanHopkins 2012/06/01 05:03:55
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    JanHopkins
    +1
    My Jewish friends were not able to eat shellfish as I recall. I know that a shellfish is reputed to be the original doner of the blue dye that is in the thread of the shawl the men wear.
  • Erik Zi... JanHopkins 2012/06/03 23:54:14
    Erik Zimerman
    You are right, that is why it would be odd that shellfish would be the source of the holy dye if it was from a non Kosher (unclean) animal. Thus, as the article argues, it could be that later Rabbis misinterpreted the original Biblical Hebrew in ruling Shellfish non Kosher.
  • JanHopkins Erik Zi... 2012/06/04 01:52:13
    JanHopkins
    +1
    Hmmm. Or researchers are wrong about the origin of the holy dye.
  • Erik Zi... JanHopkins 2012/06/04 02:20:00
    Erik Zimerman
    +1
    True, also a possibility, though it seems unlikely. There is strong evidence for a snail, one of the Murex species of mollusks, or a cuttle-fish (squid); either way all non Kosher by today's standards. Sources ancient and modern all seem convinced it was a shellfish, and archaeologists have dug up the dye making sites.
  • JanHopkins Erik Zi... 2012/06/04 14:25:37
    JanHopkins
    I didn't know they had found the dye makers sites.
  • Erik Zi... JanHopkins 2012/06/18 10:28:26
    Erik Zimerman
    Yea, pretty recent discoveries, they have found tons of shells with the holes made for dye extraction... many in present day S. Lebanon and N. Israel as expected. Others in other Hebrew/Phoenician sites.
  • JanHopkins Erik Zi... 2012/06/18 13:37:54
    JanHopkins
    Well maybe that is why shellfish are not kosher. They are reserved for Holy things.
  • JanHopkins Erik Zi... 2012/06/04 14:28:21
    JanHopkins
    +1
    My mom always felt that the kosher laws were a common sense approach to ancient food safety regulation. Especially appropriate to the times and the location of the hebrew people.
  • Erik Zi... JanHopkins 2012/06/18 10:31:34
    Erik Zimerman
    An intelligent opinion and it is widely held. And it could even be true. But its important to note the ancients would have not thought so at all. The Torah never mentions any health or medical reason for the laws, and neither do the Rabbis who discuss them at length. Philo even says how some of the most tasty things are not Kosher (like pork) and simply states that this is the reason for the law (that it is hard to keep)... but they would have see it as simply a divine law, and part of religious purity, and nothing to do with there being anything wrong with the food itself. In fact, under Judaism, non Jews are welcome to eat non Kosher food at will without the slightest negative connotation (on the other hand for example, Judaism expects non Jews to not murder or steal).
  • JanHopkins Erik Zi... 2012/06/18 13:41:07
    JanHopkins
    So the law was made difficult as part of the process of makeing the jews a seperate and chosen people?
  • Erik Zi... JanHopkins 2012/07/05 01:45:10
    Erik Zimerman
    +1
    Well that is an interpretation, but yes... within Jews there are Cohens (priests), Levites, and Israelites ( regular jews) who all have different responsibilities and privileges, and so it is in regards to the entire world.
  • Flyingbug 2012/06/01 01:51:40 (edited)
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    Flyingbug
    +2
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    From what I've read, only creatures 'with fins and scales' were considered kosher. That left out all the shellfish, sharks, and crustaceans.

    If you are keeping strict kosher, then there are some foods that are strictly forbidden.

    From the text (Leviticus 11:9-12)-- “‘Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to regard as unclean. And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean. Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you."

    (Deuteronomy 14:9-10) "Of all the creatures living in the water, you may eat any that has fins and scales. But anything that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean."
  • Erik Zi... Flyingbug 2012/06/01 05:16:02
    Erik Zimerman
    That is right, but you should read the article I referenced... then let us know what you think..
  • Erik Zi... Flyingbug 2012/06/01 14:06:00
    Erik Zimerman
    You are right on as the source of this ruling... however, it turns out that well known translation may not be accurate according to the original Hebrew.
  • Marcus Clark 2012/06/01 00:42:42
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    Marcus Clark
    +2
    Interesting article.
    Those food rules, by the way, were given for a specific time period for specific reasons. In the NT Peter is recorded as being given a specific order from God to "rise, kill and eat" a variety of meat that was formerly considered "unclean" (non kosher.) This account occurred and was recorded for two reasons.
    1)The immediate, literal reason: all foods are now classified as "clean." The circumstances for the giving of the food rules in the desert no longer exist, These rules have been superseded by the source (God.)
    2)The figurative reason: this was a picture to illustrate that Grace was being officially opened to the Gentiles, who were formerly considered "unclean" without going through circumcision and other ceremonies to adopt themselves into Israel.

    Bottom line as far as I'm concerned: Bring it (all) on.
  • JesusIsMyGod 2012/05/31 23:16:06
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    JesusIsMyGod
    +1
    I do not know.
  • clasact 2012/05/31 23:11:08
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    clasact
    +1
    I have no clue
  • Rob 2012/05/31 22:18:38
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    Rob
    +2
    Shellfish are not Kosher because they have no fins or scales.

    They are also scavengers and bottom feeders and pick up, toxins, pollution and disease far easier than regular fish...which is why you hear about shellfish poisoning so often.

    Kashruth ( Kosher dietary rules) also rule out predators, so sharks and octopi are also out. The basic priciple of Kashruth is that you are what you eat.

    Keep in mind that another basic principle of Kashruth is that you are allowed to break any of these rules to save human life. If you were starving and all you had to eat to survive was oysters and shark, you would be allowed to eat them.
  • dlsofsetx 2012/05/31 22:17:13
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    dlsofsetx
    +1
    Only fish with scales are Kosher.Put it another way,Jews can't eat shrimp,clams,oysters,or catfish.
  • Erik Zi... dlsofsetx 2012/06/01 14:08:08
    Erik Zimerman
    right... except turns out the original Hebrew might say something different...
  • Gangstersteve1993 2012/05/31 21:54:38
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    Gangstersteve1993
    +1
    I'm not Jewish so I can't rule that out
  • Redneck Gal 2012/05/31 21:51:39
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    Redneck Gal
    +2
    The old testament has this clearly spelled out....only fish with scales. That means no shellfish, tuna, shark, etc...Besides nutritionists confirm that crabs and lobsters are scavengers. Clams, oysters and abalone's purpose in our environment is to draw toxins from the water. You eat them, you are eating toxins. God knew what he was doing when he excluded these from the things we are allowed to eat.
  • Burning Bright Embers 2012/05/31 21:47:06
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    Burning Bright Embers
    +1
    Shellfish are NOT kosher.
  • nofrills 2012/05/31 21:18:39
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    nofrills
    +1
    some shellfish are conside.poisonous to the Judai...eg.crabs,lobs,ect..
  • Cuppajo 2012/05/31 20:56:20
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    Cuppajo
    +2
    I also hate seafood, so; keep it all.
  • Inquisitve Kat 2012/05/31 20:19:24
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    Inquisitve Kat
    +3
    I just skimmed the article... interesting, I never knew whether or not shellfish were considered kosher.
  • Jan Haskell 2012/05/31 19:57:00
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    Jan Haskell
    +2
    I know my Jewish friend loves crab legs! He may not be strictly Kosher :)
  • Matt 2012/05/31 19:10:05
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    Matt
    +4
    While not being Jewish and certainly no expert in Talmud interpretation, I believe that shellfish and catfish are regarded as "dirty" because they are bottom feeders and eat whatever happens to fall to the bottom, including fecal matter. Pigs are known to eat fecal matter also and for the same reason, are likewise prohibited.

    Then again, maybe it is just because shellfish are too expensive.

    Shrimp
  • Sister Jean 2012/05/31 18:26:19
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    Sister Jean
  • DS in Oak Ridge NC 2012/05/31 18:01:49 (edited)
    Of course not, only certain Fish are Kosher in Judaism, and no other types of...
    DS in Oak Ridge NC
    +2
    As I recall from when I was young, only fish with fins and scales are considered kosher. Whether to indulge or not depends on how strongly one feels about the dietary restrictions.
  • Erik Zi... DS in O... 2012/05/31 18:18:29
    Erik Zimerman
    +2
    Exactly... "fins and scales" is the often quoted translation. Turns out it may not be so correct.
  • wolf sloan 2012/05/31 17:50:46
    Not Sure, but I'm not Jewish so bring out the Lobster!
    wolf sloan
    +2
    Some Jewish people have told me that it is not. Others have told me it is ok to eat. Maybe it's a sect thing.

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