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Are schools hypocritical/biased with their rules?

666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1 2012/08/04 21:04:57
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I was reading a few question when I was wondering around in the news and politics section and it sparked an idea from before. I've gotten in "trouble" (per say) for wearing an inverted cross necklace to school because it was "offensive" but I see people wear regular cross necklaces all the time at school but never get in any sort of trouble, wouldn't that be offensive, as well? Seems a little hypocritical, but anyhow, in general, do you think schools can be hypocritical/biased?
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  • LunarRain 2012/08/07 07:42:34
    Yes.
    LunarRain
    +1
    I see it all the time
  • Robshock 2012/08/05 14:23:50
    Yes.
    Robshock
    +1
    But that is where fast thinking comes in. If anyone says anything about your cross being inverted, tell them I am not wearing it for you to look at. When I look down, it is in the right position.

    Seriously, they can't reprimand you for that unless you are in a religion based school. Get a stack of business cards from the ACLU and anytime someone in an authority position gives you grief, hand them a card. That will make them at least stop long enough to think twice about what they are saying. Long enough to get away...

    By the way, I hate the ACLU.
  • Nay ॐ ‏ 2012/08/05 12:50:23
    Yes.
    Nay ॐ ‏
    +1
    Of course.
  • shazyb999 2012/08/05 11:42:26
    Yes.
    shazyb999
    +1
    i think they are on loads of things.
  • Michelle 2012/08/05 05:09:32
    Blue Flamingo...
    Michelle
    +1
    I'm from Ontario and went to a publicly-funded Catholic school. A lot of rules were strict, but most were fair. We had a variety of different options for uniform and we could wear them in any reasonable way we wanted-- all jewelry and accessories except for hats indoors were allowed but I'd never encountered rulings about any "offensive" jewelry, but the inverted cross can be considered a sign of humility for Christians because their God was hung on a regular crucifix.

    The only really dumb rules we had weren't enforced by anyone but the vice-principle. iPods were technically not allowed by school policy, but nobody said anything in the halls and teachers created their own iPod rules for their classroom. Cell phones were allowed outside of class, then banned in the building, then finally banned on school property-- only the VP enforced the "on school property/in the building" rule. The worst, by far, was the last detail of the uniform code: no non-uniform wear is allowed to be worn on school property. I live in Canada and the school doesn't have uniform coats. I've never seen someone get in trouble about their coats despite them not being allowed, but the VP got on anyone who wore a non-uniform sweater in the building-- even during the winter when the halls are freezing and e...
    I'm from Ontario and went to a publicly-funded Catholic school. A lot of rules were strict, but most were fair. We had a variety of different options for uniform and we could wear them in any reasonable way we wanted-- all jewelry and accessories except for hats indoors were allowed but I'd never encountered rulings about any "offensive" jewelry, but the inverted cross can be considered a sign of humility for Christians because their God was hung on a regular crucifix.

    The only really dumb rules we had weren't enforced by anyone but the vice-principle. iPods were technically not allowed by school policy, but nobody said anything in the halls and teachers created their own iPod rules for their classroom. Cell phones were allowed outside of class, then banned in the building, then finally banned on school property-- only the VP enforced the "on school property/in the building" rule. The worst, by far, was the last detail of the uniform code: no non-uniform wear is allowed to be worn on school property. I live in Canada and the school doesn't have uniform coats. I've never seen someone get in trouble about their coats despite them not being allowed, but the VP got on anyone who wore a non-uniform sweater in the building-- even during the winter when the halls are freezing and even in the spring and fall when they're using it as their "coat" because it's too warm for a real coat and too cold to not wear anything on our arms, and they're on their way to the doors. :S As for hypocritical... our whole school district has to follow a "healthy food" rule on what they can sell to us, but apparently the VP thinks this also applies to what we bring in the building. He's got on someone for bringing in their Tims coffee (NOTE: not a single teacher in the building does not bring Tims in the morning) because they shouldn't be bringing something unhealthy like that into the school (NOTE: the cafeteria sells coffee, which is sometimes under the guise of "hot chocolate" to get by the healthy food rules). :S :S
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  • sonofason 2012/08/05 00:43:10 (edited)
  • Arianne 2012/08/05 00:20:04
    Yes.
    Arianne
    +2
    Yhe funny thing is that sometimes the inverted cross is actually a Christian symbol. Specifically it was thesymbol for the apostle Peter. He was crucified upside down because he didn't feel worthy of dying the same way Jesus did. The POPE has an inverted cross in his seat at the Vatican.
  • Chris- Demon of the PHAET 2012/08/04 23:26:37
    Yes.
    Chris- Demon of the PHAET
    +1
    This sounds like the definition of hypocrisy to me.
  • Arianne Chris- ... 2012/08/05 02:47:28
    Arianne
    +2
    Especially since the inverted cross can be interpreted as a Christian symbol of humility, to the point that the pope has it in his chair at the Vatican.
  • Feria~THEZombieSlayingB!tch... 2012/08/04 22:43:33
    Blue Flamingo...
    Feria~THEZombieSlayingB!tch of PHAET!~Badass Incarnate~
    +2
    Sodahead, I clicked YES!

    They are, always. Especially towards beliefs that are different or against the normal. They also are with athletes. My school took all the money the band earned for winning a competition and put it into football. If someone like a drama person and an 'athlete' got into a fight, the athlete would come out of it with nothing against him or her at all.

    Basically, they are. For everything.
  • ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥ 2012/08/04 22:29:47
    Yes.
    ☽✪☾Goddess~Worshipper☥
    +2
    If someone at my school tries to get me in trouble for that, the first person I see wearing a regular cross necklace, I am going to report them to the principal.
  • L1 2012/08/04 22:21:36
    Blue Flamingo...
    L1
    +2
    They can be, for sure, but freedom of speech isn't absolute-there are consequences.
    Only freedom is thought can really be what the person truly has.
  • Wayne TH G 333 2012/08/04 22:15:32
    Yes.
    Wayne TH G 333
    +1
    Yes they are but remember - rules are there to be broken!
  • ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠ 2012/08/04 22:13:55
    Yes.
    ☠ Live Free Or Die ☠
    +2
    My school dress code explicitly states that girls with hourglass shapes and long legs will be expected to wear more conservative clothing than other girls.
  • 666_Mag... ☠ Live ... 2012/08/04 22:14:40
    666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
    +3
    That's just.... Idiotic!
  • ☠ Live ... 666_Mag... 2012/08/04 22:18:48
  • Jester M.S. 2012/08/04 22:00:39
    No.
    Jester M.S.
    +1
    I attended a parochial, Catholic, prepatory school for HS, with rules so strict it boggled the mind. First off, it was all male, with the only females on the premisses being a couple of the instructors. You try being 16 with raging hormones and no females in sight all day long. Pure hell. We had to wear dress pants and button up shirts everyday (and they had to be neatly pressed). We had to wear dress shoes that laced, they could not be slip ons. On Wed, when we had mass, we had to wear a tie and sometimes a suit jacket when the Jesuits had some special occasion.

    Public school kids can pretty much get away with murder compared to what I had to endure, so its hard for me to feel too sorry for them when it comes to the rules they have.
    Of course, American public schools also suck academically, but that is another matter entirely. Perhaps because they are more concerned with problems like this instead of being focused on education?
  • 666_Mag... Jester ... 2012/08/04 22:03:26
    666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
    +1
    Well, I actually go to a private school but I've seen no rule stating I could not wear any jewelry such as an inverted cross.
  • Jester ... 666_Mag... 2012/08/04 22:19:57
    Jester M.S.
    +1
    I feel your pain dear. REALLY I do! With private schools, they can pretty much do whatever they want since your parents are paying for you to go there, and they do not have to follow what the local school board wants.

    On the plus side of the equation, if your private school is anything like most of them out there, you are probably blessed with excellent teachers, a great curriculum, tons of extracurricular activities, and very bright classmates. You should consider yourself lucky that your parents love you enough to spend to the money to make sure you have the best education.
  • Arianne Jester ... 2012/08/05 00:16:34
    Arianne
    +1
    I went to a Catholic school as well, except it was in the Philippines and it was all girls. So when I went to public school in NZ it was hard to feel sorry for people complaining about school rules. We didn't have blazers or anything but that was because its a tropical country and we'd all die of heatstroke but EFF if they weren't strict.

    No make up, no coloured hair ties, dye your hair and die. No cellphones and ipods (we were subject to INSPECTIONS for them.) Wear the hot, longsleeved gala uniform to mass even if it kills you. We started everyday with a reflection and a prayer. People were DESPERATE because puberty and no boys around just don't mix. No socks that goes below the ankle. Skirt must be two inches below the knee. Sometimes (like on recollections, retreats, and the school fair) we went to school in civies...God help you if you wear shorts, skirts above the knee, or expose your shoulders. Hell you can be OUT of school and post a picture of yourself on facebook wearing short shorts and you can get chewed out by your teacher. And I don't mean extremely short shorts, Just the kind you normally wear when going out to the mall.
  • Jester ... Arianne 2012/08/05 00:25:20 (edited)
    Jester M.S.
    +1
    I understand entirely. I went to a Jesuit institution, and while they were not as strict as what you had to put up with, they kept us on a pretty tight leash. I got used to it over time, but I would be lying if I said I was not sometimes envious of the public school kids.

    However, I did destroy the public school kids in ACT and SAT scores, and most all of my teachers were also college professors that pushed me academically. I became a scholar, and an expert in my studies. With no girls around, there was not much else to do with my time there.

    It did suck at the time, but I am now studying for my doctorate degree at 24 years of age, and most of the kids from public school I knew in those days are working the drive thru at Taco Bell. I think I came out on top, but time will tell I suppose.
  • Arianne Jester ... 2012/08/05 02:45:13
    Arianne
    True. I'm at a public school now but its one of the better ones in the country so I can't complain. But in the Philippines well... there's a reason I went to a private school, and thats because public schools there SUCK. It just did. Between the rules or starving on the streets I'm taking the rules. And most of my classmates who are there now aced their entrance exams while other schools weren't so lucky.

    Although from what I know the Jesuits were the more liberral priesthoods that I've encountered. Rather they were more scientifically inclined over the others. But thats just from my experience really, especially since they were the ONLY group that didn't attack the reproductive health bill.
  • Jester ... Arianne 2012/08/05 02:51:01
    Jester M.S.
    I have since become a libertarian, so I also naturally opposed the reproductive health bill, as I do all government intrusion, but that is just me.
  • Arianne Jester ... 2012/08/05 09:41:34
    Arianne
    Oh no. Its wasn't even a big bill since the Philippines is a conservative country. All they wanted was a few free condoms and sex ed classes since we had crazy over population problems. We have 94 million people packed in a small country, and thats not covering the problems of a third world. I don't like government intrusion myself, it was just some basic education and stuff to try and stop the population growth a bit. But the moment contaception even came into the picture the Church went insane. Suddenly they were talking about abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage. Never mind that the bill never sought to legalise any of those.
  • AZTEC WARRIOR 2012/08/04 21:58:49
    Yes.
    AZTEC WARRIOR
    +1
    theirs stupid people out their dont let them get to you
  • ♥☯ ʂıoвнaп ☮♥ 2012/08/04 21:54:51
    Yes.
    ♥☯ ʂıoвнaп ☮♥
    +1
    They are biased. Very much so.
    Since in almost every school in the history of ever, someone with a regular cross wouldn't get in trouble when someone with an inverted cross would, that's biased towards Christianity. Specifically, it goes against the first sentence of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution.
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
  • Metaldane 2012/08/04 21:49:20
    Yes.
    Metaldane
    +1
    Anyone who didn't dress like the average student can attest to that. I even got hassled because one teacher didn't like that I would wear mostly black all the time even got sent to the principal because of it lol
  • Daedalus 2012/08/04 21:14:04 (edited)
    Yes.
    Daedalus
    +2
    Yeah, but I was thinking more along the lines of whole economics departments being taught a historically inaccurate orthodoxy to assist with large scale criminal activity that amounts to taking over whole nations minus any weapons or military force.

    Your issue on the other hand sounds like public relations.
  • Daedalus Daedalus 2012/08/04 21:26:28 (edited)
    Daedalus
    +1
    The swastika was a Buddhist symbol at one point in time, but that does not make it cool for school either.
  • 666_Mag... Daedalus 2012/08/04 21:28:53 (edited)
    666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
    +1
    It still seems hypocritical since I apparently have freedom of religion but I can't wear things like an inverted cross but people can walk around with a regular one. That could be offensive to me, it's not but still, it's very hypocritical because they would be in an uproar if I told them they couldn't wear their crosses.
  • Daedalus 666_Mag... 2012/08/04 21:43:20 (edited)
    Daedalus
    Freedom of expression has legal limits, one of which is that others find it offensive.

    Not saying what you did offended anyone, but since things like an upside down cross or the Buddhist version of the swastika are loaded with implications not under your own personal control (mistaken identity or not) and the school can get sued for inaction, I can see why they asked you to take it off. There is a lot to loose and little to gain.
  • 666_Mag... Daedalus 2012/08/04 21:46:53
  • Daedalus 666_Mag... 2012/08/04 22:07:27 (edited)
    Daedalus
    As I said above, you can make the swastika comparison. The swastika was basically a harmless Buddhist symbol before Hitler got hold of it, but it will still piss plenty of people off due to its modern association. It does not matter how many times you explain the historical background.

    The inverted cross has a similar history. It is actually the personal trademark of Saint Peter, the first Pope, and one of the most revered figures in Catholic lore. He was said to have requested to be crucified upside down because he didn't feel worthy of dying the same way as Jesus.

    However, I presume that modern Satanists wear it as a symbol of defiance against Christianity. Exactly the message your school was trying to avoid, unless you explained otherwise to them.

    Everyone is touchy about religion. The Muslims find it so offensive when people draw cartoons of Muhammad that they actually make physical threats. Sometimes they carry those threats out too.

    Aspects of our society are still basically tribal and people are always sending messages to each other even when they would be better off not doing so.
  • 666_Mag... Daedalus 2012/08/04 22:12:05
  • Daedalus 666_Mag... 2012/08/04 22:33:29 (edited)
  • 666_Mag... Daedalus 2012/08/04 22:35:26
    666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
    +1
    It is not right. My beliefs are basically belittled because of complete morons.
  • Daedalus 666_Mag... 2012/08/04 22:40:50 (edited)
    Daedalus
    Why did you stop being Jewish?
  • 666_Mag... Daedalus 2012/08/04 22:43:22
    666_Maggots~PassionForGlory BN-1
    +1
    Because I have a hard time believing in a deity of any sort. It didn't fit me, I agreed on nothing, I didn't feel like it was right for me, etc etc etc....
  • Daedalus 666_Mag... 2012/08/04 22:45:49
    Daedalus
    +1
    Okay. :-\
  • Sister Jean 2012/08/04 21:06:28
    No.
    Sister Jean

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