Are Attacks On The Confederate Flag Getting Old?

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The first time I disagree with you on any response. I must mark the date down. ;-)

Your side lost... get over it.

It's not "my" side, but thanks for playing.

If racism is the issue, remember - the slaves were brought to the US in ships bearing the national flag, not the confederate flag.

That's because there was no Confederacy in existence at the time. The vast majority of slave-trading had stopped years before that.

Actually, slave trading is still practiced in parts of Africa by Africans and Arabs.

That is a little known fact....and it's kept hidden for a reason. So glad you brought it up.

Slave trade still exists. Bought and sold by the very peoples that sold their people to those coming to America.

There is still slave trade in America where people are kidnapped and whatnot, just isn't legal

by right-wingers

Bought from left wingers

How do you figure that?

It matters to some of us. It is about Heritage, not Hate. Slavery was wrong, but that flag is about Honor and Bravery.

I also fly this one. Six of my ancestors fought in the War of Northern Aggression. I've also included the Great Confederate Seal. Yes, that's George Washington. Whom did you expect?

Was the flag with more stars on it, but otherwise exactly like the First Official Confederate Flag ever official? Do you know?

No, it was never official. There were three, official, national flags, as shown above. However, any and all of them are recognized and honored by the SCV. My camp uses the first one.

There were also Confederate State flags.

Very cool. Thanks!
And God Bless the SCV!

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LOL
I am a Southwestern Pennsylvania boy, born and raised, and still live here. Ireland is breathtaking, but alas I am an American and love my freedom.

My father's parents are off the boat from Ireland. My mom's people have been in the states since at least 1860s and going back to the 1500s (depending on which part of her family). I have ancestors and relatives that fought in every major conflict in U.S. history, and some of my great-great-grandfathers fought in the War Between the States as Pennsylvania Volunteers, and a many times great uncle died at Antietam, his grave marked but as an unidentified burial (so he is in one of them). All of my people I have researched so far have all been on the Union side of the conflict. Regardless, I have great respect for the Confederate side and will not stand for it being insulted, or its expression being limited. I have a great affection for the South and it's people (regardless of ethnicity or color).

I truly enjoyed you sharing the story; I enjoyed it very much! I will Google "battle of Sabine Pass" and read more. Thank you so much for taking the time to share that with me.

You that want to beef about the flag...Get a Life..pleassssssssssssssssse! Thank you. :)

You think any one who flies the confederate flag is racist?

No I don't Pug....Heck I fly the flag. This flag is only the symbol of hate and racism because racists has made it that way. I am not racist.

Gotcha,

I know you're not racist. :)

Thank you Pug! :)

Beyond "old".

Most references to the Confederate Flag are in conjunction with references to the Civil War. Most attacks on current displays of the Confederate Flag are based on the idea that display of the flag is representative of ongoing racist attitudes. That attribution of motive is overly nearsighted to the point of being just plain wrong. Most major engagements in the Civil War were fought by an almost purely white Southern Army and an overwhelmingly white - often as white as the Confederate - Union Army. Yes, there very definitely are embarrassing racial aspects of the Civil War, but most of the pageantry surrounding the Confederate Flag seeks to evoke memories of valor by troops who are not distinguished by bigotry or skin color. Blacks - and others - who are offended by the fact that the Confederacy's main purpose was to defend the Southern Practice of race-based total slavery, are entitled to have celebrations of the Confederacy moderated in a fashion that reduces their need to accommodate those celebrations, but the Southern Defense of its independence movement was a remarkable exercise in military accomplishment by contemporaneous Southerners, and their valor was not exhibited wholly or even primarily in defense of slavery, and it is entirely appropriate for those wishing to exult that tradition of military accomplishment and regional independence to do so.

That is about the most sensible approbation of the Confederate flag that I have ever read. Kudos to you!

Thank you. To the extent it's bad form to rave a compliment, I plead guilty.

Well Said. An exceptional response.

Thank you. The compliments I've received have been sufficiently infrequent that I don't know if it's bad form to rave one, but, if so, I'm guilty.

Here, here.

Great comment.

Also, the difference between the presentation of the centennial, and the sesquicentennial remembrances of the Civil War clearly shows the marked influence of political correctness. I was not around for the centennial but have a lot of material from then, and when compared to the sesquicentennial material (I have thus far) the difference is not so much in scholarship, research, or new discoveries (although those are there), it is in the tone of the presentation. As much as I appreciate inclusion (and I do, a bigger picture is always helpful), I can not stand the reductivist presentation.

Ehh, even southern rappers sport the stars and bars!!!

I am the First Born on the west side of the Might Miss..Whole Family going back Generations has been LA and KS...Southern is In My Blood and will Always be There...

Kansas & Louisiana ARE WEST of the Mississippi.

yeah guess you're right, but not by much for LA...LOL~!!!
Thanks J..

Fly the flag for all I care, I sincerely don't care either way. I understand that not EVERYONE who flies the Confederate Flag is necessarily a racist, but I don't think I'm too far out of line by saying that I'm very wary of most folks who do fly the flag, considering 90% of the people I've encountered who fly that flag were racist in some way. And most of the people who fly the flag on the back of their pickup trucks or display it prominently for as many people as possible to see seem to be doing it more for shock value or to piss people off than anything else.

Many people were angry when they changed the Georgia flag back in 2001, even though the "Stars and Bars" Georgia flag, so to speak, wasn't even our original flag. The flag we have now actually much more closely resembles the original one.

Georgia flag from 1920-1956:


Georgia flag from 1956-2001:


Georgia flag from 2001-2003:


Georgia flag from 2003-present:

My response was much the same, but yours is way better explaining the Georgia State Flag than mine. Kudos!

No not really, I simply don't enjoy alienating Black Americans. Yes, maybe it's a symbol of Southern pride to some, but it makes other people feel uncomfortable. Why not use this flag instead?





Southern pride is getting old. Who cares? I surely don't.


The confederate flag promotes divisions. Aren't we all part of the United States of America?

The confederate flag is part of our history, but that doesn't mean that we need to fly flags that imply a pro-slavery sentiment anywhere near our current flag.

Some of the states were brought back to the Land of the Free at gunpoint.