Americans on No-Fly List Allowed to Learn to Fly: Is the TSA Doing Enough to Ensure Safety of Americans?

That was one hell of an attack, people are still paying the price for it, its easy for an individual to sit in their computer chair and dismiss things as hurtful and important as 911 and dismiss it into nothingness if one incurred no losses, The more i read the more scarey it appears to me as to how cruel and cold people are and have become, if one is that unfeeling and uncaring, then just say nothing, you are not obligated to answer everything you see, understand these are real people with real lives lost that are never coming back regardless to how many years have passed since the incident, their love for their people lost is without a time frame.

Targeting people based on their name, or their politics, is pointless. The best way to filter out dangerous people is by their behavior.

Law enforcement is always a step behind the law breakers. that's just how it is in this type of society. if you want to flip that, you have to be in a society where the law tells you what things you CAN do, instead of telling you what you cant do.

Can you tell me how many successful hijackings have occurred in Israel during the last thirty years?

None.

Islamic Extemeists are now allowed to fly like they did in the early 21st century. Oh the misery that we are going to go through again when they put that to the test. No fly is No fly. You do not give the guy/gal a chance to use a plane. Thats insane!

Way to much! time for them to take a hike. All because of one US government orchestrated attack.

Truthers are SO sad.

Honestly, all I hear is people bitch about airport security, or police officers. The government tries to keep us safe by installing airport security officers, and county's protect us with police officers, but no, these people are just big meanies who want to "feel you up" or "pull you over for no reason" honestly, how about we get rid of all of these people, and You can get blown up on an airplane, or robbed or shot. We'll see how much you like police officers and airport security when your at gunpoint or carreening toward a building at the hands of a terrorist who wasn't frisked for the .45 he had under his coat.

Skip happily into your police state. Ignore the facts how many people have died as a result of terrorism since the advent of commercial aviation in the US? Exactly.. now shut up.

There are some who exploit their positions, and yes airport security is a pain in the as. It is needed though, just because there hadn't been a lot of deaths caused by terrorist (isnlt one too many?)doesn't mean we should cut security or not try to make it more effective...the simple fact that they csn and have bypass security even once is more than enough reason to strengthen security, and an attack on an airport by terrorist or some random whackjob can happen at any moment. With that said, I do believe the gov. has used terrorism to scare citizens into giving up certain rights...privacy being one. Oh and isn't this website designed for people to speak openly about their opinions? Telling someone to shut up, while talkng about them walking into a police state is a little hypocritical isn't it? Surely one of the first rights to go in a police state would be free speech. But I may have misread both comments in that case. . . *shrugs*

well said Sean Br,i might add @mobilsq you've had your chance to state your thoughts on the matter, and thats exactly what they are, you no more have the right to block anyone's freedom of speech nor thought than the man on the moon, and you certainly are not some sort of higher being to rudely command people to shut up, the question was asked of everyone who chose to answer, not just an over zealous you!

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

It is truly amazing the foresight the Founders possessed.

James Madison was the only really devout Christian among the Founders, and the most hawkish about keeping the Government out of Religion and vice versa.

We have a lot to be grateful to him for.

Have you ANY idea at all what the Constitution is?

Do you know how many "terrorists" the TSA has stopped? Answer: ZERO.

I'm not even going to think of a reply to such an unintelligent comment

Your attempt to seem intellectually superior is pathetic - and laughable.

says the person who is trying to use the constitution to support an opinion about airport security...

says the person who either:

Hasn't read the Constitution

Is unable to understand the Constitution

Or believes the Constitution is subject to his opinion.

lol go ahead and act like you've sat down and interpreted the entire constitution. I salute you sir, and your futile efforts to make me believe the TSA violates my rights. If you told someone not to come into your house with a gun, and they did anyway, would you not want them to leave? what makes an airport any different? You can't deny someone the right to bear arms, that's amendment number 2. Oh, but wait, there's also a law stating that you're allowed to control who and what enters your property. So why shouldn't an airport be allowed to do the same? The only difference is, they search you for things that they ask you not to bring into their terminals, but who doesn't these days? Funny how you will let a low wage, non certified employee at an amusement park search your belongings, but if the TSA does it, they're violating you.

Pathetic.

You yammer about the right to keep and bear arms while advocating that the government can strip you naked in front of strangers to search you for a gun.

You confuse two different entities. The Constitution dictates that the government may not search you without a warrant based upon sworn testimony and probable cause. The TSA is part of the government, not part of the airport, so your silly claim about private property yet again shows the limits of your intellect...and honesty.

Further, your assumption that "Funny how you will let a low wage, non certified employee at an amusement park search your belongings" is entirely incorrect.

First of all, they do not strip you naked in front of strangers. If one is subject to a strip search, they are brought to a secluded area and searched by someone of the same sex. Only in extreme cases are the customers stripped entirely naked, and only under strict legal authority may one be strip searched.

Second, yes, the constitution does state that government officials are not allowed to search your property without a warrant. But by entering the airport and buying a ticket, you are agreeing to allow the search of your belongings, thus giving you your probable cause. The purpose of giving warrants is for the raiding/searching of a person(s) or their property who is convicted of a crime or under some sort of governmental charges. However, if a person agrees to the search of their property (which is what you do when you walk into an airport and purchase flight tickets) then it is legal without the need of a warrant. similar to how patients in hospitals give verbal permission to government employees to search their property.

I once put my bowling case on the conveyor to be X-Ray'd. The Mensa type looked at the big black round thing on the screen and say's "What's that"? And we're supposed to believe they're keeping us safe.

yep. Because 1 person didn't know what was in your bag, we should get rid of airport security. That would solve everything.

Unless u think feeling up old ladies and children is ensuring our safety no they r not.

But with borders wide open and illegals thicker than flies who can do enough?

Really now... how many "illegals" have terrorist ties? The 9/11 hijackers were all here legally.

Confirmed Terrorists Apprehended
A few of the apprehended OTM illegal immigrants with confirmed ties to terrorist groups listed in the congressional report include:
Neeran Zaia - arrested on September 8, 2004 - headed an organization responsible for smuggling more than 200 Iraqi, Jordanian, and Syrian nationals into the United States. When he was arrested, U.S. Customs agents discovered that Zaia had a prior conviction for human smuggling.

Mahmoud Youssef Kourani -- pleaded guilty on March 1, 2005 to providing material support to Hezbollah. "Kourani is an illegal alien who had been smuggled across the U.S.-Mexico border after bribing a Mexican consular official in Beirut for a visa to travel to Mexico."

Salim Boughader Mucharrafille - was arrested in December 2002 for illegally smuggling more than two hundred Lebanese, many believed to have ties to Hezbollah into the United States.

Abolish the TSA!!

More than enough. Leave us TF alone

OTOH, they are also doing way too much. There are kids on the 'No-Fly' list!

The TSA is a joke, the war on terrorism is a farce. I simply refuse to step on board an airplane as long as there is some 500 lb gorilla who wants to feel me up or send me through one of their cancer machines.

So don't fly

He said he didn't, can't you read.

Better idea: those of you who are afraid of the Bogeyman stay home behind locked doors rather than betray your country by demanding that real Americans give up their constitutional rights to appease your fears.

One would think that if they were flying a private plane with no passengers that this would be OK.

UNTIL you think about 9/11.

I think one of the terrorists of 9/11 told the instructor he was not worried about learning to land.

If that is true it is since 9/11since none of these guys were US citizens - the majority were Saudi. AND it is always funny to me how people that do not agree always tend to think the other person has no idea what they are talking about. I am currently a USAF officer who used to be a multi engine run qualified C-130 crew chief and I also got my A&P license and worked for American Airlines for a little while until I got my first college degree. Several of my Air Force buddies are pilots and my brother in law is a contractor pilot who flies one of the state governors around. So, I hear what you are saying, but the facts are the facts. People who are flagged to not even be able to fly on a plane sure a hell should not be taught to fly one.

I apologize for assuming you were unaware of the regulations and such, but I'm just trying to be realistic here... Who has the kind of money to do something like this? Plus again, you have to be a legal US citizen...