Abortions and contraceptives, Welfare and medicare/medicaid____

>>>While I am completely pro-life, I am also Pro-choice .... I am "truely" confused<<<

I would say so. A person CANNOT be pro-life and "pro-choice" at the same time.

I'm assuming you are pro-life because you think abortion is the taking of human life. (Why else would you be pro-life?)

As such, you CANNOT support legislation that allows those human lives to be killed. Not if you are as pro-life as you say you are.

An analogy: You cannot claim to love all races, while at the same time supporting others' rights to discriminate against black people.

The "I'm personally opposed but don't want to impose" argument is commonly used with abortion. It's a totally lame argument. Nobody uses that argument with regard to slavery or segregation. Why, then, should it be used in a life-and-death matter such as abortion?

Save the "to each his/her own" thinking for non-lethal things, such as what color to paint a kitchen or what sorts of clothes to wear. That line of thinking does not cut it when it comes to protecting human life.

You're either all-in when it comes to protecting unborn life, or you aren't. There's no fence to sit on here.

One more thing: Your "I won't help you survive" argument is lame too. The biggest pro-life organization in the country, the Catholic Church, also has the country's best programs when it comes to helping new moms and their babies after it's saved both of them from the evil of abortion.

Your claim that pro-lifers don't help after the babies are born is entirely false. That's not an opinion. It's a fact.

I am not sure who ate "your" wheaties but I can garruntee it wasn't me, have a bad day? Sorry if so. How are you to tell me "I" can or cannot feel or believe in anything? Truth is, I do not like abortion Yep, I said it! I LOVE babies but (wait for it) BUT there would be LESS abortions IF more contrceptives were used! Then let's move on here, then you say the "churches" that advocate against abortion (which I understand their stance) AND against contraceptives "support" new moms and their babies? Hmm where do you live? I have personally seen and been witness too babies hungry and sick with these new moms not being able to produce or get help from even the government because they (wait for it.....) HAD a job! Oh and this is also fact, the church helps "theirs" first since you mentioned the "they help" part and I know because I "belonged" to a church for most of my life. *breathing* sigh...I am a person not someone you can attack by "your" beliefs. IF you care to give me your opinion I thank you for it, if you choose to try and tell me how "wrong" I am for "stating" the "facts" of what "I" can or cannot believe there is no conversation to be had...lol how can you tell me what I do or do not believe when you do not know me? My beliefs, Abortion-I do NOT like it but there are times such as medical reasons to save the mothers life is necessary as well as certain situations. Contraceptives-prevent abortions and suffering for unexpected and unwelcomed as well as births of NO fault of the mother (such as rape/incest). Adoptions, there are SO many children waiting to be adopted in a lot of "church" and government facilities...where are the willing adoptees? Oh that's right they only want the "babies" but what of these children "no one" wants for one reason or another? Doesn't matter, your beliefs are yours and I am not here to try and "sway" you just as mine are my own. My "confusion" to be exact comes in on why complain about welfare if you want the babies born into such a life to begin with. Why not just stop complaining about giving out freebies or take the "lessor" price and allow contraceptives? Thanks for your time.

I know what you are saying, but that's why America and western society is in the peril its in. While being 'progressive' we create problems, they start small, people feel entitled to complain and society bends to keep them quiet. But rather then go back and say "that was inherently a bad decision which has resulted in a very real problem and accept that people have avoided responsibility through a misguided belief in entitlement" we say "aww, its going to cost money and be too hard to implement, so how can we work around it".

America's reliance on illegal immigration to support the labor pool is a perfect example here.

Essentially it starts small, but escalates quickly. And if you keep avoiding taking a step back and fixing it, even if it does cost more money for a while, is just going to result in an even bigger problem which maybe can't be fixed down the track.

In the case of illegal immigration, sending them back would result in a fairly sizable loss to the turnover of many small business' and product prices would increase; so instead we give millions welfare and amnesty and it just makes America even more reliant on an unstable labor pool. More come, then not enough jobs exist for all the illegals and all the non-skilled Americans. Then unemployment rises and more people end up on benefits, then the illegals want benefits. Society increases benefits and then more illegals and non-skilled Americans go "hey I can not work and still get 80% of my current income through benefits"...while others from across the border go "wtf if I can make it to America i don't have to do anything at all and I can make 100 times what I earn here". And thus it balloons, fast.

So I think for allot of these issues which our society is experiencing for the first time in modern history; people need to be more willing to take a few hits to their pocket to fix some of the problems our need for change has created. That isn't the whole 'tax the rich more' argument; I think it needs to be a shared load as everyone contributed to the mistakes, so to should they fund the remedies.

I think Americans (and the rest of western society) have to accept that sometimes their own national welfare has to be put first; and that just because someone is in a worse situation doesn't mean America should be dragged down to support them. Its harsh, but its the only way to ensure sustainable security and economy.