A holiday message from Ricky Gervais: 'Why I'm a good Christian' (remember to test yourself)
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The title of this one is a little misleading, or at least cryptic. I am of course not a good Christian in the sense that I believe that Jesus was half man, half God, but I do believe I am a good Christian compared to a lot of Christians.
It's not that I don't believe that the teachings of Jesus wouldn't make this a better world if they were followed. It's just that they are rarely followed.
Gandhi summed it up really. He said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
I have always felt this way, even when I believed in God, and in a weird way I feel I am still a pretty good "Christian" who doesn't believe in God.
So many Christians think that because they believe in the right God, they are automatically good and have a one-way ticket to everlasting life. Dare I say it but I suspect this is their main reason for believing. I've heard so many "believers" say, "Well, since there is no way of being sure whether there is a God or not, it's better to believe in God than not, because that way, if you're wrong it doesn't matter and if you're right you get everlasting life." Win:win.
This is of course Pascal's Wager, which assumes that God if he exists would reward blind faith above logic and living a good life as an atheist.
To the Christians' God by the way, it's just as bad to believe in the wrong God as no God at all. The idea of other Gods is of course ridiculous to Christians. Supernatural poppycock. As if there was ever a Zeus; stupid, ancient, unenlightened superstition. And even if there are other Gods (which of course there aren't) then the Christians' God is the best. Hardest, smartest...just better. He would laugh at Zeus and call him a Greek bender. (I doubt that God is racist and homophobic but the Bible isn't clear. Some bits go on about love and equality and others say you shouldn't trust certain types and that laying down with a man as you would with a woman is punishable by death and is a bit sick and evil.)
So remember. If you are gay you are "Bumming for Satan" basically. (That would make quite a good T-shirt.)
Jesus was a man. (And if you forget all that rubbish about being half God, and believe the non-supernatural acts accredited to him, he was a man whose wise words many other men would still follow.) His message was usually one of forgiveness and kindness.
These are wonderful virtues, but I have seen them discarded by many so-called God-fearers when it suits them. They cherry pick from their "rulebook" basically. I have seen such cruelty and prejudice performed in the name of Christianity (and many other religions for that matter) that it makes me wonder if there has been a bit too much selective reading and reinterpretation of the doctrines.
God or not, if I could change one thing for a better world, it would be for all mankind to adhere to this little gem: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I assure you, no more stones would ever be thrown.
So maybe we should go back to basics to find out where it all got confused...
The Ten Commandments
The Ten Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament; Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt:
"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God.'"
So let's take the test. How many of these have you broken?
ONE
"You shall have no other gods before Me."
I definitely do not. Excellent. I get one point.
TWO
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image -- any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
This basically means don't make or worship a religious statue or bow to it thinking that it's holy. Tick. Another point to me.
THREE
"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain."
I never do. But let me explain something. Most people think that The Third Commandment means that they shouldn't use his name as a swear word, e.g. shouting, "Oh God!" when they stub their toe instead of, "Oh Fuck!"
This is not the case (although I love the idea that God would rather them shout "Fuck" than "God". That makes him cool in my book. But no.)
The commandment could equally be, "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in 'vanity'," e.g. when your enemy is hurt or defeated saying, "that's God's wrath," or when you win an award saying, "thank God." This is using his name in vanity. It's suggesting that you KNOW that God helped you win that award because you deserved it more, or because he was on your side. It's always tickled me that God would have a favourite actor at The Golden Globes.
Anyway I get another point. I think most non-atheists will lose a point here.
FOUR
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."
Before we score this we need to discover what it really means when God commands us to keep the Sabbath day holy. In understanding our answer, and the true intent of God's word, it doesn't matter what day of the week we celebrate the Sabbath. There were no calendars when God created the heavens and the earth so we don't know what day he started and ended. Don't let the "day" become more important than the "intent".
If we look at the portion of The Ten Commandments which refers to this, Exodus 20:8-11, it seems to be very specific;
8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 "Six days you shall labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 10 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. 11 "The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
According to the Bible, God commanded us to keep it holy. But what does that really mean? Work is basically referring to that which we do to earn a living, or in working around the house, or any labour we participate in daily. So, if we never worked at all would that mean every day was holy? No. This absolutely is not being holy. In various places in the Bible we are told of our need to work, for in our work we honour God. So...basically you have to work for the equivalent of six days a week with a day off.
I do this. I get another point.
FIVE
"Honour your father and your mother."
I think I get a point if anyone does with this one.
SIX
"You shall not murder."
Nope. Tick.
SEVEN
"You shall not commit adultery."
Nope. Tick.
EIGHT
"You shall not steal."
Nope. Tick.
NINE
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."
Nope. Tick.
TEN
"You shall not covet your neighbour's house; you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour's."
Nope. Tick. Another point for me.
Not bad for an atheist.
I make that 10 out of 10.
How did you do?
Even if this doesn't prove I am a good Christian it does prove that the Bible is a bit inconsistent, open to interpretation, and a little intolerant.
This is not peculiar to Christianity to be fair. And I like to be fair. Because unlike ALL religions, as an atheist, I treat ALL religions equally.
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But you obviously need to have the last word to "win" so your turn and then we're done. I'm bored as hell.
I tested myself based on this because it was something my friend asked me after reading this; consider it a philosophical discussion with a theoretical situation thrown in. the test was: how good would i follow the 10 commandments if i was to become christian? :)
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."
What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.
Exodus 21:7-11
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment."
Leviticus 20:9
"All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense."
So there you have it. Gods laws regarding slavery, child abuse and rape. I don't know about you, but I feel much better now. (sarcasm alert)
Clearly his laws are evil, and are unfit for any modern culture. Obviously, there are some laws IN the Bible against killing and stealing; which are good, but those are not "Gods laws" in a Judeo-Christian sense. Those laws were in effect with the Egyptians and sumarians, long before the Ten Commandments were ever handed down. And other than those who ARE religious, all the laws about taking his name in vain, or putting no other gods before him; those laws have nothing to do with right or wrong. They're only about stroking the ego of your deity. Same with the Sabbath, or graven images.
On the subject of taking the name of the Lord in vain; most religious people are the biggest offenders of THAT commandment. Saying "God-dammit" when you smash your thumb with a hammer isn't what it's talking about. It's talking about using his name to glorify ones self. Like when a football player crosses himself in the end-zone, or a musician thanks God for HIS success; or worst of all, when people use the name of God to justify violence or oppression.
My point is this: believers t...
Clearly his laws are evil, and are unfit for any modern culture. Obviously, there are some laws IN the Bible against killing and stealing; which are good, but those are not "Gods laws" in a Judeo-Christian sense. Those laws were in effect with the Egyptians and sumarians, long before the Ten Commandments were ever handed down. And other than those who ARE religious, all the laws about taking his name in vain, or putting no other gods before him; those laws have nothing to do with right or wrong. They're only about stroking the ego of your deity. Same with the Sabbath, or graven images.
On the subject of taking the name of the Lord in vain; most religious people are the biggest offenders of THAT commandment. Saying "God-dammit" when you smash your thumb with a hammer isn't what it's talking about. It's talking about using his name to glorify ones self. Like when a football player crosses himself in the end-zone, or a musician thanks God for HIS success; or worst of all, when people use the name of God to justify violence or oppression.
My point is this: believers tend to think of themselves as being more righteous than non-believers, because they have a code of ethics handed down by God himself. It isn't true. There are righteous and evil believers and non-believers. And those who serve humanity well, only because they are trying to get to Heaven, or to avoid hell; are not altruistic. They are doing what they think serves their best interests in the afterlife.
Still, if your religion motivates you to do good things for humanity, by all means, keep it up. Humanity is served by good deeds, regardless of their motives. Just don't think that people who do NOT have religious motives, are less ethical; or less altruistic.
They come from Reason and Empathy.
You atheists seem to think that mankind is something other than what God says he is.
Mankind is basically evil and stupid.
"God" didn't.
Becuase there is no God. Moses probably made it up, because HE was tired of stepping in it.
You've made a brilliant point. Leaders learned that by saying "God told me to tell you this", their good ideas got more results.
Mankind is basically evil and stupid AND good and intelligent.
We can be all those things, because we made up the words and the concepts.
Okay, here we go...In the first place you are asking me to do something that you can't even do yourself. You can no more prove to me that God doesn't exist than I can prove to you that He does,
Now on to the subject of mankind and what is he really? Man is basically evil. He is not 'good' and evil. He is evil. Evil is what man is. Now he can be taught to be 'good' and 'intelligent' once the parameters are established. But no matter how 'good' and 'intelligent' he learns to be... underneath all of that he is still evil. And that is why he needs God.