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2 men guilty of injecting 14 with HIV in Holland. Should they be charged with attempted murder?

Rileymo November 13, 2008 15:43:30
Yes, It's a death sentence!
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All victims tested positive after being drugged, assaulted at a sex party
The Associated Press
updated 1:59 p.m. ET, Wed., Nov. 12, 2008
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A Dutch court convicted two men Wednesday for attempting to infect 14 victims with HIV in a bizarre sex case.

The Groningen District Court found the two guilty of severe assault for injecting semiconscious men with HIV-infected blood at sex parties between January 2006 and May 2007.

Peter M., 49, who was also convicted of rape, was sentenced to nine years in prison and Hans J., 39, received a five-year sentence. Under Dutch privacy laws, the surnames of convicted criminals are not released.

Prosecutors said they would appeal for higher sentences.

"By committing these acts, (Peter M.) has shown himself to have a serious lack of respect for the rights of others," the three-judge panel's written ruling said. "While he knew from his own experience what far-reaching consequences are tied to an infection with HIV, he repeatedly attempted to bring this same hurt to others."

Prosecutors had argued that the two men, along with a third who was acquitted of major charges, had drugged the 14 victims and intentionally infected them.

But in Wednesday's ruling, judges said while the victims all had HIV, it could not be proven that they were infected by the injections because they willingly took part in orgies where gay men had unprotected sex.

The judges also said allegations the victims were given GHB, known as a "date rape" drug, were also unproven.

The suspects were not charged with attempted murder since Dutch courts have held that HIV is a chronic illness rather than an inevitably fatal one.


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  • ladypuppylove November 09, 2009 23:30:37
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    ladypuppylove
    Yes , and they knew they were hiv positive, yes the chair
  • Tiff December 20, 2008 19:16:51
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    Tiff
    +1
    that's murder. therefore, punishment should be death. and even with that, they're getting off too easy.
  • Maria December 19, 2008 17:13:32
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    Maria
    +1
    Not safe and not healthy.
  • Mikki~ December 18, 2008 22:23:59
  • michellenicole(theveganvixen) December 17, 2008 22:48:15
    None of the above
    michellenicole(theveganvixen)
    +1
    they should be tried for murder.
  • emme425 November 25, 2008 02:31:53
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    emme425
    +1
    They should get the death penilty...where the hell else would they have gotten it?
  • Joe November 25, 2008 02:05:05
  • ScottinMichigan November 24, 2008 23:55:58
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    ScottinMichigan
    Is this about Gay Marriage?
  • Rileymo Scottin... November 25, 2008 13:40:40
    Rileymo
    huh??
  • Comrade... Scottin... November 26, 2008 20:11:53
    Comrade JBleezz
    +1
    How could this possibly be about gay marriage? It is about psychos going around injecting people with a deadly virus. Not about two dudes trying to get a marriage license
  • chocoholic87 November 24, 2008 23:37:04
    Undecided
    chocoholic87
    +1
    chances are half or more than half were already infected but the people that injected them still should be charged with attempted murder because thats just f'd up you dont do that to other people whether you like them or not
  • new mexico November 24, 2008 06:21:21 (edited)
    Undecided
    new mexico
    I see that the" victims" were all gay,and were having gay sex. They can not prove that they got AIDS by this particular injection.Living that type of life style does have its risks which are well known and serious.These gays were attending orgies and had most likely already had contractred the disease.
  • Rileymo new mexico November 24, 2008 20:57:41
    Rileymo
    +1
    Who knows except the fact is that they were all injected with a fatal disease- and that being said makes it attempted murder to me. Just because some one lives a risky life style does not mean they are not victims of a crime.
  • new mexico Rileymo November 28, 2008 06:40:14
    new mexico
    +1
    True, just because they live a risky life style does not mean they are not victims of crime, but then if an AIDS infected gay infects another gay without AIDS should he not be charged with attempted murder?
  • Rileymo new mexico November 28, 2008 16:20:23
    Rileymo
    +1
    Yes he should w/out a doubt! But just because the victim was gay doesn't mean he would contract the disease anyway and it shouldn't matter- that is what has been said on this poll and it scares me that some poeple feel that way.
  • OneplusTwinsMom November 23, 2008 23:08:16 (edited)
    Undecided
    OneplusTwinsMom
    +2
    AIDS can be lived with, yes, but with what complications? I have fibrio myalgia, as it is I take 17 pills every day, I also have to wear a patch the gives me a constant dose of pain medication. I have to change that patch every two days. I have pretty good insurance, and my medication co-pay is between 300 to 500 dollars a month. I can't imagian what a healthy person with AIDS or HIV has to put up with, just to stay alive. Or someone that is in a "full blown" state.
    If someone knowningly caused another person to contract a fatal illness, what kind of punnishment should they recieve????? In this case, these men are murderers, and should be treated as such. In the cases of the Dentist that gave it to his patiants, not knowing it was possiable is also a murderer, but not in the same class as them. In my opinion, The theif that walks into a bank and kills everyone inside is better than these two thugs. To die by a gunshot is a quick way do kill someone, to INJECT someone with AIDS is death in slow motion.
    The sentance of 5 and 6 years respectivly is a travisty. Reguardless of how the victims had contracted AIDS, the men with the needle wanted to besure that they would have it after that "sex party". All of the people involved with the needle guys shoud be hung by their testicules until dead.
  • Jinx The Cat November 22, 2008 05:34:18
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    Jinx The Cat
    +3
    death sentence
    lethal injection is what they need!
  • Oneplus... Jinx Th... November 24, 2008 01:00:28
    OneplusTwinsMom
    +3
    Lethal injection doesn't hurt enough.
  • Jinx Th... Oneplus... November 24, 2008 05:43:56
    Jinx The Cat
    +1
    Fine how about we brake there hands that they used to infect people with then we let all those people throw stones at them and kick there ass! then dip them in acid! then we can all watch them scream" I'm Melting"! ^_^ people throw stones kick ass dip acid watch scream melting
  • Al C. November 22, 2008 03:13:19
    None of the above
    Al C.
    +1
    Give them a life sentence, injecting them with HIV by an inmate with AIDS!
  • Oneplus... Al C. November 24, 2008 00:56:00
    OneplusTwinsMom
    +1
    I think they already had it and were bitter and pissed off, so they wanted to make sureeveryone got it too.
  • leewilla35 November 21, 2008 21:50:28
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    leewilla35
    +1
    no one in their right mind would want a disease and no one has the right to infect others with one either.
  • PrettyMini November 21, 2008 19:55:11 (edited)
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    PrettyMini
    +1
    death sentence
    yes death penalty
  • Keith November 21, 2008 14:02:14
    None of the above
    Keith
    +1
    I say they ought keep the unmedicated bastards incarcerated in solitary confinement until they or one of their "victims" dies, then should any of their victims preceed them they ought be tried by a firing squad of .50 cal's.
  • Rileymo Keith November 21, 2008 22:47:50
    Rileymo
    Sounds like a plan to me
  • Oneplus... Keith November 24, 2008 00:58:03
    OneplusTwinsMom
    +1
    I like the first part of your idea, but to put them in front of a firing squad is too generious. They should suffer more than Jesus did on the cross. OOO, now there's and idea.
  • Rileymo Oneplus... November 24, 2008 21:00:55
    Rileymo
    To be so heinous to do this to another living creature is punishment more then Jesus ever had- they must live with being evil- and that must be hell on earth.
  • jack November 21, 2008 01:35:48
    None of the above
    jack
    +1
    hang em high
  • mrsboyd421 November 20, 2008 23:29:02
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    mrsboyd421
    +1
    People Are Sick In The Head.
  • ăđăм™ *sex cake* November 20, 2008 10:17:34
    Undecided
    ăđăм™ *sex cake*
    +1
    There is no known cure, to this debilitating disease, yet to know the suffering, and limitations it places on people, to knowingly infect someone, deserves a life sentence of minimal human contact.
  • brytt November 20, 2008 05:30:03
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    brytt
    +2
    because they have ruined people's lives and they will die younger than they were supposed to
  • Just ME November 20, 2008 01:02:10
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    Just ME
    +2
    Hell yeah! Charge them-then give them a good ass-kicking beat down.
  • Smoky November 19, 2008 00:52:11
    Yes, It's a death sentence!
    Smoky
    +1
    Yayz! I dunnot live in Holland!
  • Chuck November 18, 2008 14:53:40
    None of the above
    Chuck
    +1
    If the so-called victims were also homosexuals and all were involved in "sex parties" then what happens, happens! However, the ones that were injecting the others should be prosecuted for their obvious attempts to harm others along with charges of indecent sexual/whoreish practices, while the 'victims' themselves should also be prosecuted as whoreish participants, and indecency.
  • Self - ... Chuck November 18, 2008 19:22:43
    Self - Deactivation.
    +1
    aids does not just infect homosexuals, and there are some pretty wild sex parties and partner exchanges going on in the world. what those guys did was attempted murder. they should be prosecuted
  • Oneplus... Chuck November 24, 2008 00:59:33
    OneplusTwinsMom
    I like your thinking Chuck!!!!!
  • Chuck Oneplus... November 24, 2008 03:48:05
    Chuck
    +1
    Thank you oneplusTwinsMom, I sometimes get so riled and often times become a little radical in expressing my views, and don't usually have a whole lot of people agreeing with me for fear of 'not being politically correct'. Me, I really don't want to be politically correct, I want to be free to express my own opinions whenever I feel like do so, and I refuse to hold back just because it might hurt another person's feelings. When I do that I am actually living my life according to their dictates, and there is absolutely nothing free speech about that. We are not supposed to live our lives according to others! That is why I do not believe in organized religion. Does that make sense to you?
  • Rileymo Chuck November 26, 2008 15:16:51
    Rileymo
    Organized religion has one problem, it is run by man. If we live in a way that is true to the higher power we believe in, be kind, try to be good, take care of each other and those things that cannot take care of themselves, and forgive when people make mistakes, we would all be so much better off. No more separatism and hate. Political correctness is the same thing as mind control. It has no place in our society- we need to be out own editors and try not to hurt others because we know we can hurt them.
  • Chuck Rileymo November 26, 2008 15:59:41
    Chuck
    Rileymo, I agree with what you are saying, but you know life is so complex that it is really hard to distinguish one thing from another. When we think that political correctness is wrong, and think that all we need to do, as you have said, is to do what we think is right, be kind, take care of one another, etc. I think the biggest problem we have in this world is not realizing that for everything that exists, it does so because of it's positives and negatives. It seems that people are now becoming confused as to what is positive and what is negative.

    The younger generation has been brainwashed to believe that had it not been for this or that, he/she would not have done or reacted in the manner in which they did. In other words, they have a tendency to BLAME others for their own shortcomings.

    I have been in business for forty five years and I have noticed so, so, much difference in the work force of today and what it was back in the 50's and 60's. Everybody today seems to be looking for a 'handout', and expects it, and when they don't get it, they start accusing you of being prejudice, or partial to whatever degree and try to file charges for unfair labor practices.

    Personally, I can swear that all the days of my life, I have never missed a days work, except for vacation, (wh...
    Rileymo, I agree with what you are saying, but you know life is so complex that it is really hard to distinguish one thing from another. When we think that political correctness is wrong, and think that all we need to do, as you have said, is to do what we think is right, be kind, take care of one another, etc. I think the biggest problem we have in this world is not realizing that for everything that exists, it does so because of it's positives and negatives. It seems that people are now becoming confused as to what is positive and what is negative.

    The younger generation has been brainwashed to believe that had it not been for this or that, he/she would not have done or reacted in the manner in which they did. In other words, they have a tendency to BLAME others for their own shortcomings.

    I have been in business for forty five years and I have noticed so, so, much difference in the work force of today and what it was back in the 50's and 60's. Everybody today seems to be looking for a 'handout', and expects it, and when they don't get it, they start accusing you of being prejudice, or partial to whatever degree and try to file charges for unfair labor practices.

    Personally, I can swear that all the days of my life, I have never missed a days work, except for vacation, (which occurred about every 3 years) or an excused purpose, such as jury duty or something of that nature. NEVER due to hangover, or high on drugs, and NOT EVEN COLDS OR FLU kept me from work. Now people make up excuses for not wanting to go to work.

    People have got themselves caught up in all kinds of immoral activities; dope dealing, alcohol, sex parties, and on and on. And it is not only the older teenagers, it is younger ones that are only 10, 11, and 12 years of age.

    There is no such thing as respect for the elders, for the teachers has taught the kids to not listen to their parents. Abortion has been talked about throughout the world and in the homes of every American. Is it any wonder that kids may think about their parents trying to decide whether or not to abort them before they were born? I better get off here for now. Thanks again. Chuck
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  • Rileymo Chuck November 26, 2008 20:56:35
    Rileymo
    Chuck- read my bio- you and I agree on 99% of what you said.

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