Would you accept your child if they were Gay?

Wow, how to take an entire book wildly out of context, but I shouldn't be surprised by a group of people who make wild accusations and deliberately misrepresent truth to attempt to win sympathy for their cause. Banning gay Marriage is nether cruel or heartless, it would be heartless and ignorant to the heart of God though to permit such a thing, let alone commit it to law!

Christians that read the word are not taught to do these things, we are provided with examples of times when these sins did occur so that we might learn from them and live in accordance with God's will as well as shown examples of what can, did and does today happen when people turn from God Isaiah 9:8-21 (this is America right now!) and Isaiah 10:1-4 for example...sort of the same as children learning world and American history in middle and high school, so that when the time comes for them to call the shots they'll have an idea of the past so they don't repeat it.

I love it when people make vast generalizations about the word of God yet have no understanding of it, let alone context for the events that occurred within, what could possibly and more clearly underline their complete lack in sense of what is and what is not! Before you blast me for being a Christian, or God's word for that matter, it might do you some good to actually do a little research of your own...for example where G. Washington was actually sworn in as President and the very 1st act taken by a joint Congress and Senate...here's a hint, they prayed about the future of our country, together, in a church.

I will note as well that you can get all up in arms about God's will being done (the prevention of gay marriage coming to law) but 36 states agree and have already made Marriage to only be between one man and one woman constitutional at the state level...that's 72% of the country.

I eagerly look forward to your response.

Grace to you, Glory to God!

Freewill is the answer to that. People starve, are wounded, killed, maimed, tortured, beaten etc at the hands of those who use their freewill to do harm. God could not intervene miraculously in every single circumstance of worldly evil being done and still be "miraculous". The other thing you need to keep in mind is that wordiness is temporary, eternity is not. God uses suffering to teach us, to cause us to grow, to cause a people to come together and to bring us back to him. Barring any sexual references, how many lessons have you learned in your life that you remember that were pleasurable? I'm guessing not many.

"..religion is evil", really? Based on what moral authority?

"Thats because of homophobs " I'm not a homophobe for one and for two I'm not being homophobic because I refuse to acknowledge, validate or condone the sacrilege that would be as a result of permitting and legalizing a sin. I'm not afraid of homosexuals, they pose no threat to me whatsoever.

".i cant wait till the day gays have the same rights as straight people..." And what pray tell are the "rights" you are referring to? 36 states have already amended their constitutions to say that marriage is between one man and one woman and the majority of the other 14 will no doubt (God willing) do the same. Tell me please why a group of people who want "equal rights" are demanding special treatment? Marriage is not a human right and is discriminatory by design. It is because of these very insistence, the underlying turning-away from God that will destroy our nation...we're already headed for judgement and most aren't even aware.

I have reported your post because of your needless epithet.

Grace to you, Glory to God!

"Religion is evil because it promotes hate",

Ok, based on what moral authority do you make such a claim? If you consider something hateful just because it opposes your perspective than I'm willing to accept that. Religion is a fairly broad spectrum though so maybe there are doctrines that teach hatred or evil but I can tell you that as a Christian I worship the one true living God and am saved by the Love, Grace and Sacrifice of the one King and Savior Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ! Jesus ministry is a doctrine of love and peace and he will return to destroy evil in the end of days.

God's word hasn't changed in 4k years and it doesn't appear as though it will anytime soon for that matter.

".it can always be over turned." Um, lol, in case you've not been keeping an eye on the subject, NC just became the 36th state to constitutionally ban any threat of this...and my vote was one of them! This means that 3/4 of the country have already voiced their opinion with a ballot and made it constitutional law in their states that Marriage is between one man and one woman, no federal law can override this so no, it can't be overturned, nor would it...these votes were cast by the majority of their states registered voters.

"its the same rights as straight people which they should have",
Oh? Why? cause it's not fair otherwise?

So you are aware, Marriage has always been a religious observance, it's inception was God created as is it's meanings. Marriage is not now or will ever be, much to your dismay, a secular tradition.

"straight people get to marry the people they dont/do love.." Yes, yes they do, and your point being? It's this simple, Marriage is absolutely discriminatory by it's very existence, God made it that way. Marriage is not just about love, it's about concepts you clearly don't understand, concepts that are as old as Eden. You think because you assert your personal agenda above that of God's you somehow deserve anything? Sorry but the only thing anyone deserves as a result of doing such a thing is a wake up call to whose in charge. Just a hint...it's not us!

You balk at religion because it disagrees with your world view yet have no moral capacity within yourself. Sorry but just because you don't want to hear it or know about it doesn't mean it's any less real or any less a threat to your eternal disposition because you choose it to be. God did not create us with an opt-out of judgement and turning away from him as a person and as a nation will have dire consequences...research Ancient Israel or Sodom & Gomorrah if you don't believe me or need a refresher on what happens when righteousnous is replaced with

Grace to you, Glory to God!

"It says to put gays to death.murder women & children", really? Provide me a scriptural quote from the New Testament where Christians are told to do these things....

"...i do have morals" Ok, where do they come from?

"i just dont need a book to tell me what i should think", really? I find that fascinating, tell me how many classes in school you took without books (beyond PE and art).....

"gay people can marry in some parts of the world & nothing has happened besides gay people being happy...."

You're not much of a sociologist or anthropologist are you? Stable home life is the cornerstone of all of society and this requires a positive mother and a positive father roll to achieve (well documented unbiased studies on this, PLEASE do me the favor of disagreeing with me on this)! Published stats from countries with "gay marriage" show significantly higher;

Teen suicide rates, teen pregnancies, lower family happiness, more instances of reported domestic violence, higher rates of new STD cases, higher rates of drug and alcohol abuse under the age of 18, lower job satisfaction, lower GDP and GNP, higher divorce rates, higher prescription rates for insomnia and depression medications, higher poverty rates and higher rates of school dropouts just to name a few. These are published statistics from WHO, the UN, and myriad health and social welfare organizations from across the globe, feel free to take a stab at any of them.

Everything I have and am saying has plenty of evidence, I find it a bit obtuse for you to throw out arguments without so much as bother to look up what I've said. If you were really that interested you'd do your homework (I've already done my own and will not do yours for you).

Grace to you, Glory to God!

"I got them from what the world views as right." and you can stop right there. This presupposition is a falacy of logic known as begging the question. You can not assume safely that society or worldly perspective are just, eternal, perfect or infallible...they are not

".how when more then half of marriages end", sure they do statistically speaking but that doesn't mean there should be open interpretations as to what the union mean. Marriages in our society end in divorce because people enter this union without God in the equation (or have learned their inflexibility to work cooperatively in a relationship from their parents who themselves are divorced)...their are loads of studies that show this but if you don't believe me tell me what was the divorce rate in 1954...

The point is a Mother and a Father, just as a Man and a Woman, TOGETHER make a complete person when united under the God headship and jointly provide a balanced image for youth to be raised....this is genetically, physiologically, emotionally and psychologically impossible for a same gendered couple to replicate.

There is a reason God said 4k years ago "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Genesis 2:24. Are their some who manage to make this work outside of this design, perhaps...doesn't make it right though and the very fact that your arguing for it underscores Proverbs 22:6 perfectly! "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

It also doesn't mean that society does not suffer as a result of a high divorce rate! Need an example? Where is our nation's music programs, or internationally ranked math scores? What's our teen pregnancy rate? How many children who come from broken homes go on to a divorce themselves (hmmm, learned behaviors that weren't taught "in a book"...)

It has been proven time after time after time that when Marriage is weak so too is society. This means that more needs to be done to strengthen Marriages in this country and (more so now than ever) families returning to God! Fix that problem and Marriages will heal, as will our country.

Using the fallen perspective and self-deified traditions of man to evaluate the will and perfection of God is sort of like using an object that we believe is roughly about 3' long to measure the volume of a 300mL graduated cylinder..

Grace to you, Glory to God!

See, that's the thing....because God is in our Marriage and we in him, for us "...i hope you never get divorced" is a non-issue, in fact the D-word is not even in our vocabulary...we've "Fireproofed" our Marriage. That's not to say that fires won't come but when the do what have done the ground work to ensure we get through them. Bailing out is not an option for either of us because of the role God plays in our lives.

Sorry my friend, I do know what I'm talking about..."christian people get divorced all the time" yes, they sure do....we all make mistakes (that would be the divorce that is the mistake), but I assure you that if they were truly Christians and both in accord with each other in God (like my wife and I), they too would enjoy a "fireproof" Marriage. Just because some are guilty of something does not mean that all are....are all black people in gangs? Do all republicans oppose gay rights? Are all New Yorkers bad drivers? That's the problem with making generalizations.

"why do you think more & more people are turning away from religion??.." Temptation is powerful, of anything that Satan has mastered its knowing our weaknesses, causing us to disbelieve in God (even for just a moment) is all he has to do...and then we sin.

"so are you upset that women got rights & so did black people?" Nope, they also have nothing to do with same-gender relations. A woman cannot stop being a woman, a black person cannot stop being a black person and not a single shred of evidence to date has shown that gay people cannot stop being gay....even if their were such evidence it wouldnt change the meaning, conception and importance of Marriage.

So, I'd like to see where you researched to acheive your numbers (I happen to know by published stats put out by the US Census that they're wrong)...

"your religion logic,which has no proof or evidence to back up" ....and here comes the goods....logic, like Marriage, is as well God designed. If God didn't exist (which is a far cry and tangent from your initial assertions and an underpinning point to my previous statement that you disbelieve in God because religion disagrees with your world view)...than neither would logic, logic in itself is sufficient proof for the existence of God, therefore his word and therefore his creations (such as us, Moral law and logic).

Grace to you, Glory to God!

"God isn't involved in a nonreligious marriage", exactly my point....which is why those Marriages fail.

"i cant wait till your profile says divorced", um, so for one that's never going to happen as it cannot (my Marriage to my wife is not a statistic nor is it subject to the ups or downs of the rest of society, it's a covenant unto itself thank you)! Second, why would you ever wish that on someone? You would wish this on me simply because I don't agree with your worldview....hmm, which of us has been judged in this scenario I wonder...

Seriously, who says that? As I've stated before, God is at the head of our Marriage (and I'm not going to open my Marriage to the world for inspection, you don't do that with sacred things and my Marriage quite frankly isn't anyone's business outside of God, my wife and myself) but I will say that our Marriage is not tempted by or threatened by the concerns of this world (except where the Lord's will commands it to be).

".just because divorce isn't in your world views doesn't mean people regret divorce" As if regret has any validity on a subject, regret is nothing more than indicator of how much heart a person actually has. Just because a serial killer doesn't have remorse or regret does that mean the rest of us should be permitted to go around killing anyone we choose? Don't be obtuse.

Divorce is a horrible plague on society, none so much more than the people directly involved with it. The aftershocks of such an event are carried by those people for the rest of their lives (not to mention in the lives and views of any children involved, etc)...don't pretend for a minute that it's not a big ordeal as it takes a toll on every level. Sociologists, Psychiatrists and Social workers have all gone on record to state that it's the single most emotionally traumatic thing to occur in a persons life 2nd only to the unexpected death of a child or close loved one.

"my world views not include discrimination of any kind" Do you like hummus? How about Sardines? Tripe? Anchovies? How about people whose views differ than your (like me for example), you certainly hold a hardline and defiant bias against what I've put out there...I would consider your bias to be a judgement and discrimination against those whom possess the majority perspective.

"just the same thing for gay people" Oh? And what rights does a gay person not have that any other straight single citizen of the US does?

"you cant change being gay either" Wrong, there are many who have turned from this addiction to sin just as many have turned from heroine, crack-cocaine, smoking, porn, etc. It comes down to desire, willingness to live a Godly life, repentance, support and an overall choice of how you will live your life. Irregardless of this, even if there were such a thing as the coveted gay gene (widely disputed, never "located" and never discussed beyond biased junk science) it still would never change the design, purpose or meaning of Marriage from that of being one man, one woman and under the headship of God!

"no evidence has shown gay people cannot stop being gay" You're absolutely right, gay people can stop being gay anytime they choose.

"marriage has zero importance on society", this may be your perspective but for all the studies and research that has been done on the subject you are flat out wrong. Further to this point it underscores that this opinion is your own and is in direct contrast to well supported, well accepted and well reviewed research...I suggest you conduct some research on your into this topic before promoting such a thought to the rest of the world (esp. when the rest of the world is aware of the very research you appear to not to be).

".people get married for all the wrong reasons & no one cares about it" So, a few things about this statement, 1st...people do care about, 2. it doesn't make it right, 3. entering into a God created covenant whilst rejecting God will have eternal consequences, 4. just because some may be guilty of this doesn't make it right (for that party or any others). The point here is that the only people to which the sanctity of Marriage does not matter are those who are trying to undermine its very meaning in the first place.

"based on something with no evidence to back it up..." The fact that you are able to even use logic in the first place is proof enough that God exists. Logic which comes the Greek "λογική" or simply logikí which means "reasoning". As with the laws of Morality, reasoning too came from God....as we were made in his image and likeness so too were we imbued with some of his qualities making them inalienable even if someone were to reject him.

"why cant two people get married if they love each other",

Ok, so which topic are we debating here, Marriage is not intrinsic to love and love does not predicate Marriage. I can love my sister, or beer, or television, or reading, or working at a homeless shelter but that does not mean I can or will marry any of those things. There are qualifications that need to be passed in order for two people to Marry anything outside of these qualifications is counter-intuitive to Marriage.

I'll use whichever source I choose to, just because you don't agree with it's validity, authority or authenticity does not invalidate its source nor does it preclude me from using it as my source for information. In nearly 4k years of existence not a single shred of evidence has ever contradicted the bible, though hundreds of thousands of artifacts, relics, people, places, times, events, countries, states, villages, towns, governors, rulers, wars, plagues, etc have been confirmed by archeologists, anthropologists, astronomers, geologists, seismologists and a few others. Hundreds of events that were foretold hundreds if not thousands of years prior have all come to pass as laid out and considering that it took nearly 2k years to complete across 3 continents by nearly 40 authors across 66 books of the canonized bible....there is literally no other resource in existence of that age and magnitude that has ever been created that has stood against all other "holy books" or secular scrutiny as the bible!

That said, Marriage is about more than love, as it came from God as a covenant with his creation, you would first need to understand the underpinnings and importance of it from a biblical perspective before you go any further. Marriage is NOT a secular tradition, opening Marriage to the availability of anyone who wants it regardless of gender etc would be the equivalent of drinking communion wine and broken bread as a snack or going for a casual dip in a baptistry....these are sacred things and would be blasphemous acts....so too is Marriage.