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  • iiii 2012/12/25 00:38:55
    goku
    iiii
    +6
    Goku would so win he's immortal all supaman can do is fly and punch hard goku could kamiha his ass

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  • Sydney 2013/03/14 08:35:51
    goku
    Sydney
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  • 2013/01/12 01:19:49
    superman
    +1
    Superman. Here's why.

    http://www.screwattack.com/sh...

    For any fanboys who want to bitch after watching this just remember. That video wasn't opinion. It was fact, The research was done the, the math was done the numbers don't lie.
    Superman wins. Period.
  • joe 2013/01/14 22:29:06
  • Mark Muli 2013/01/09 02:55:58
    goku
    Mark Muli
    +1
    For the sake of a valid debate I will point out the biggest weaknesses in the Goku beating Superman aspect.
    1. The spirit bomb. This attack is the "finishing" move that goku almost always uses to finish of his big opponents. The issue with that is, by its own nature the spirit bomb can only be used by someone of pure good or evil and can be reflected (and in some cases absorbed) by the target if they are pure good or evil respectively. Some may argue that Goku could simply absorb that spirit bomb (as he has done before) and use it to overpower himself to the point where Superman wouldn't even have a dream of beating him. The issue with that, and this goes into the second issue, is that Goku wouldn't know.
    2. Not a battle with perfect information. Unless they are given a history report on the each other it is safe to assume that these two (who don't even exist on the same planet) do not know each other’s strengths and weaknesses. With this in mind Goku would not be able to know that superman is a person who is pure good and would actually direct his attack towards superman only to find out later of superman's pure heart when he deflects it. It could also be argued that Goku could just make another one and absorb it but the difficulty in making it (time and energy wise) will mak...







    For the sake of a valid debate I will point out the biggest weaknesses in the Goku beating Superman aspect.
    1. The spirit bomb. This attack is the "finishing" move that goku almost always uses to finish of his big opponents. The issue with that is, by its own nature the spirit bomb can only be used by someone of pure good or evil and can be reflected (and in some cases absorbed) by the target if they are pure good or evil respectively. Some may argue that Goku could simply absorb that spirit bomb (as he has done before) and use it to overpower himself to the point where Superman wouldn't even have a dream of beating him. The issue with that, and this goes into the second issue, is that Goku wouldn't know.
    2. Not a battle with perfect information. Unless they are given a history report on the each other it is safe to assume that these two (who don't even exist on the same planet) do not know each other’s strengths and weaknesses. With this in mind Goku would not be able to know that superman is a person who is pure good and would actually direct his attack towards superman only to find out later of superman's pure heart when he deflects it. It could also be argued that Goku could just make another one and absorb it but the difficulty in making it (time and energy wise) will make it hard to repeat a second time, especially when fighting against the man of steal. So as long as this is a fight that lacks perfect competition goku can't do things like use instant teleportation to relocate the battle to a place where there is no yellow sun. Anything that involves superman’s known weakness (I say only superman since Goku has ordinary human weaknesses) are not valid in this fight.
    3. Superman is stronger than Goku. During the movie All-Star superman, he lifted a record 200 quintillion tons. A "quintillion" is a 1 followed by 18 zeros. This was 3 times more than his average of 66.6 quintillion tons (he had just been exposed to massive sun radiation which gave him extra power). On the other side is Goku. He is not as simple to measure. When he initially died after the cell saga he was at 637,500 power level (http://www.dbz.freeuk.com/in... and went to train with king kai (yet again) he had difficulty moving with 40 tons put on his person. In the Buu saga (I won’t include GT in this since its authenticity is disputed) he had a power level of 34,500,000 (http://www.dbz.freeuk.com/in... He is now roughly 54 times stronger and can therefore carry about 2,160 tons. This of course does not include super saiyan form, once in super saiyan form strength, speed and general ability goes up x40 (http://dragonball.wikia.com/... So that 2,160 becomes 86,400 then do that again for super saiyan 2 and it becomes 3.4m then again for super saiyan 3 and it is 138b tons. The conclusion: in terms of pure strength (even at Gokus strongest) superman is stronger than Goku.
    Those three are the only arguments that I know of (there are probably more) to prove that superman would not loose. There is also the case of “pre-crisis” superman but that in it of itself is another debate topic all together due to the huge difference in power levels for superman. The following are arguments made for superman that have weak foundations and should not be used.
    1. Killing intent. The argument is that Goku would fight to kill but superman would hold back because he is a good person. This one ill debunk immediately since it has no validation. It is true that, maybe due to the dragon balls, goku has less care if he seriously harms someone but the guy can destroy the earth with a single ki-blast so i am pretty sure he is also holding back in confrontations as well. In either case if there ever is a battle between these two it would have to be one where they are both trying their hardest to beat the other, in other words a killing intent or rather, being a survivalist. This may come to clashes with the whole "morality" on superman's part for fans but fighting to survive (instead of win for Goku's case) is more than enough validation for superman to not hold back, especially if he knows that his opponent can handle it.
    2. Goku is stupid. Those who read the manga or watched the show know about Gokus general lack of intelligence. This has led many to make the argument that Superman’s superior intelligence would result with an obvious victory over Goku. Wrong. I will not even for a moment argue that Goku is smarter than the kryptonian, but there is a difference between book smarts and street smarts. When doing things like learning how to drive or being a good father, Goku has a general ability to fail or be below average but when it comes to fighting he is a genius. Take a moment to imagine how fast your reflexes would have to be and the adaptability of your mind when fighting against Freza, the (at that point) most powerfull being in the universe, in a self destructing planet AND doing that all in five minutes (I know it was like 3 episodes but the actual fighting only happened for five minutes). There are other examples of course, ones that prove his ability to adjust in battle make sound and intelligent decisions and derive the weakness or weaknesses of his opponents but for the sake of not wasting space (and the hope that most people reading this already are well informed) I will just say that he does do this. To make things worse he is a knowledgeable martial artists who has been training in it since he was very young (I believe he was 13 when the show started) and he surpassed every master, monster and opponent who challenged him, adapted and learned from it and continued to hone his skills. Superman on the other had (while he did have training) cannot begin to compare to the amount of effort Goku puts into his training. Simply due to his superiority in strength Superman never really had a NEED to learn how to properly fight or enhance his fighting skills to the maximum level. Why would you need to learn to do flips around your opponent or reverse attacks when you can kill them with your pinkie? This isn’t an attempt at making him seem cocky, it’s just simple facts. The conclusion, Goku is an idiot but when it comes to fighting, he is smarter than Superman. This one debate is not only wrong, but actually SUPPORTS goku’s side
    3. Alternative Universes. The argument goes that since they come from different universes where strength variations vary, it is impossible to calculate who would beat whom. While I agree the different universes aspect makes it difficult the fact still remains that their powers are compared to those of HUMANS. That is the defining factor that binds them. Since they both have humans and since both of their humans are relatively weak, treating them as the base and foundation for power comparison makes this argument less valid (though I do admit it is not entirely crushed). This though is usually the final argument made (on both sides) whenever there is nothing else that they can argue with so if it comes up it usually means you won.
    Those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head so I will just conclude with my opinion on why Goku would win.
    Unlike others I will use math, something that is undisputed, to prove my point as to who would win. Going off of my previous point that Goku is a better and smarter fighter than superman, all he needs to be is faster and/or stronger than him to make it a clear victory. First the speed, the stereotypical gesture for superman is that he is “faster than a speeding bullet” or “faster than the speed of light”. Since he has been able to reverse time with his speed I will have to conclude that the later is more accurate. On episode 127 of Dragonball Goku was able to move faster than lightning in order to capture a crown at the top of a hill (http://dragonball.wikia.com/... Lightning is half as fast as the speed of light. At this point Goku was 15 years old and was only (at most) at level 100 in power level (based off of strength measurement in DBZ scouter). At the beginning of DBZ he had strength of 600, this is some 10 years after he was able to move past lightning so the 100 is a kindness and overestimation. When he battled Freza as a super sayain on Namike he had a recorded power level of 150,000,000. Take the 150m and divide it by 100 (his previous power level) and you get 1.5m take that and divide it by 2 (lightning is half as fast as the sun) and you get 750k. So, mathematically speaking, Goku at the beginning of the show is 750k times faster than the speed of light. Now it could be argued that superman’s exact speed is unknown (which it is) but the huge variation between the two makes me give the win to Goku in terms of speed. Now, referring back to the “strength debate” mentioned earlier the reason why this doesn’t have a huge effect on the overall outcome is because it does not include the speed that is added (which is over 276b times faster than the speed of light at super saiyan 2, not even 3). It honestly just becomes a fight where one guy is stronger but he can’t catch the guy he wants to beat up. With Goku’s superior martial arts skills and speed, along with his average (and I use that term VERY lightly) strength he would be able to go to town on superman. This is of course not including special attacks each can do. The issue with them is that there is no way to properly measure their effects on each other but the general conclusion is that the kamehameha trumps any of supermans attacks and while it can be argued that superman can dodge them, he would have some difficulty dodging it if goku did the instant transmition Kamehameha. Then finally there is always the simple “Goku grabs superman instant teleports to deep space and comes back”. That one is honestly very difficult to refute. The fact that superman would have to fly around searching for a loction with air while having to remain close to a yellow sun would make it nealy impossible for him to come back alive. Regardless of his speed in flight, he NEEDS the sun to be able to do anything.
    To those of you who actually managed to read this whole thing, I hope that this helped clarify things. I tried to be as impersonal as possible since I am a huge fan of both, it is just that I genuinely believe that superman would lose and wanted to express that in a way that made sense and could be accepted on all sides.
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  • joe Mark Muli 2013/01/14 22:51:55
    joe
    +3
    I read the whole thing and I agree with everything your saying.
  • Asa 2013/01/07 16:49:54
    superman
    Asa
    +1
    Superman cannot die by normal means, while Goku can be killed by a virus. Also Goku does not have invulnerability. For the people who mention the red son, kryptonite or without yellow sun you're too late he has already been seen to survive through, and without these items. Besides Goku is just the japanese version of Superman, and unlike Goku Superman is highly overpowered to the point that you say he would lose is nothing but nostalgia. You can list a ton of ways for Goku to die but if you ask how to kill Superman you will hear two responses kryptonite, or red son. I have too ask where the hell are you people getting that Goku has no limit, and he fused with the eternal dragon? The eternal dragon put the dragon balls in Goku but beyond that we know nothing, and as far as having no limit that is false he only beat Omega with the help of the entire universe. Lastly the funny thing is even though he made a spirit bomb with the energy of everyone within the universe it didn't destroy the earth.
  • Alan Prado Asa 2013/07/02 16:13:58
    Alan Prado
    +2
    he didnt destroy the earth because why the hell would goku sacrifice the whole world including him in it.
  • thekrak... Asa 2013/09/11 20:35:21
    thekraken07
    +3
    Also goku is kinda cocky and would want to fight superman at his strongest
  • iiii 2012/12/25 00:38:55
    goku
    iiii
    +6
    Goku would so win he's immortal all supaman can do is fly and punch hard goku could kamiha his ass
  • Asa iiii 2013/01/07 16:51:57
    Asa
    +10
    Where are you getting that Goku is immortal? That has never been stated.
  • thekrak... iiii 2013/09/11 20:29:12
    thekraken07
    +3
    Only only the problem is is that kamiha is based around his chee which is not magic so it would just knock Superman back a little second superman can teleport to the side
  • bob 2012/10/29 10:10:02
  • william.m.bristow 2012/10/04 00:52:15
    goku
    william.m.bristow
    +1
    Goku for the simple fact that even though super man is strongerphiscaly ALL of super mans power comes from the sun goku could simply teleport him somewhere where there is no sun without the son super mans power will quickly drain yes super man can destroy an entire solar system but goku at full power could blow away multuipul galaxies and the fact that goku could increase his strength any time he wants to and being a sayin he has a limpet less potential of power
  • Kakarot over Superman 2012/07/20 20:06:48
    goku
    Kakarot over Superman
    GOKU NOW STFU SUPERMAN FANBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
  • Troy Haubrick 2012/04/15 03:07:51
  • johnphilipiv 2012/01/03 21:11:32
    goku
    johnphilipiv
    haha you ppl forget that in the end of gt he fused with shenron that means goku is dang near a god and can just wish superman would die o and btw superman is also weak against magic. ummm i think kia counts as magic
  • Arta Amiti 2011/08/05 18:02:35
    goku
    Arta Amiti
    goku will definitely win!just think about it, goku has super powers AND strength. Superman is super strong, but all he can do is fly, and what else? laser eyes? Goku has way more powers than him.
  • Miku Rock 2011/06/07 02:41:11
    goku
    Miku Rock
    goku nuff said
  • PedroZaragoza 2010/12/05 07:11:46
    superman
    PedroZaragoza
    goku has no chance of beating superman. superman is stronger than goku!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • william... PedroZa... 2012/10/04 00:53:25
    william.m.bristow
    +1
    But superman minus son equals quick loss of power
  • thekrak... william... 2013/09/11 20:33:19
    thekraken07
    +3
    Your wrong it takes a year for superman to lose power cause in one comic book he was under a red sun for a whole year and still moved a planet
  • mysterygirl101 2010/03/11 02:24:16
    goku
    mysterygirl101
  • dbzandn... mystery... 2011/06/29 17:05:38
    dbzandnaruto
    Hey nice pic
  • nuke7 2010/03/01 09:43:14
    goku
    nuke7
    +5
    you all forgot that goku is NOT human..?
  • Gav 2010/02/24 01:01:18
    goku
    Gav
    +4
    Ok, so lets discuss this from a point of view where its fair. I've watched most of the Superman movies and I've pretty much seen every Dragonball, Dragonball Z and Dragonball GT episode. In my opinion, Goku would rip the living shit out of superman. Goku is faster, Stronger, Mentally Stronger and will push him self to his limits and beyond. Superman, on the other hand, has lazer eyes which put dents in buildings, Goku could destroy an entire planet with no trouble at all. Now for all those saying, Superman can breathe in space he'll just take him to space and sufficate him, congratulations your all retards with Downsyndrome, it's called instant trasmission dummys. Oh and, " The man made of steel " I think its safe to say that Goku can handle himself against an alloy mixture of carbon and iron. Thats besides the point, if goku can destroy a planet in his normal state, think of what he could do at Supersayion level, and please try to imagine the shit that would be unleashed on Supermans face at SuperSayion 4. Thinking that Superman would win is inconcievable.

    Bottom line...
    Goku>Superman
  • John 2010/02/23 23:28:25
    goku
    John
    +4
    Goku would win Easily!!!!!!!! His powers are really powerful!!!!! He could've blew up the whole world(and this was actually way before he could go super saiyan). Goku can power up super man can't. Goku could easily beat superman. However I do have to mention that their origins are similar. Crash landed on Earth and were raised by humans both of them also have 2 separate names Goku(earth name) Kakarot (alien name). Super man Clark(earth name) Kal-El(alien name).

    Not many people know this but Goku does have a weakness he's scared of needles(I know weird he's not scared of big energy blast coming at him that could destroy the whole solar system but he is scared of a little needle).
    Super man is scarred of kryptonite.
  • The Abs 2010/02/18 01:11:24
    goku
    The Abs
    +2
    superman deflects bullets, goku emits such a ridiculously high level of energy, he'd make the lead in the bullet evaporate before it could even get within 50 feet of him.
  • engeneer1 2010/02/10 21:45:55
    goku
    engeneer1
    +4
    goku he can get stronger by transforming superman cant also his too fast
  • jidle420 2010/02/02 21:56:44 (edited)
    goku
    jidle420
    +4
    GOKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! superman needs a yellow sun to have ANY powers what so ever. goku has unlimited power anywhere in the universe
  • haseo_Winset 2010/01/25 11:28:36
    superman
    haseo_Winset
    +3
    superman would win blind fold. The only reason doomsday was able to beat him is because he was a very advance and indestructible being created by his own race who are the kryptonians with only one goal to kill everything alive.

    That aside superman came back from death and killed doomsday. Look people under earth's Yellow sun he is has powers like a god so goku is a human do the math. Superman can go faster than light but he has to activate it, he can go so fast that he can even reverse or forward time under his spin in that area. Superman would punch goku to death before he even realizes what is going on.
  • Joshua ... haseo_W... 2011/09/20 18:37:23
    Joshua Hernandez
    +1
    Goku's not human bro, but I like your argument, and Goku's speed is easily faster than super man, the instant transmission technique also alows Goku to go between planets between meere seconds, they are both powerful and would be great to see that battle!
  • Troy Ha... haseo_W... 2012/04/15 03:09:05
  • CEOWaaa... haseo_W... 2012/12/24 15:43:11
    CEOWaaaIncorporated
    +10
    You must not know your Dragonball info to good huh? Goku isn't human dude lol... O and btw goku wouldn't have to go NO higher than probably SSJ 2 and for some reason if he did have to go higher SSJ 4 would rape superman hands down and superman wouldn't want to see what would happen to his ass if he had a fusion SSJ 4 on his hands hahahaha… Goku all the way dude.
  • iiii haseo_W... 2012/12/25 00:37:24
  • Zach 2010/01/15 18:11:35
    goku
    Zach
    +2
    Honestly? you have to concider this, i would sy goku is just as strong as superman, at SSJ1. but superman has no fighting skills, i mean where have you ever seen him fight with a type of martial arts skill? Never, and he is "indestructalbe" because he is only fighting humans. If Superman ever fought Goku, he would be destroid in a split second, because superman has no martial arts skills and he has never faces someone as strong as him.
  • haseo_W... Zach 2010/01/25 11:34:26
    haseo_Winset
    +3
    A human cannot beat him on earth no matter how strong he has the sun to power him all superman has to do is send his ass to the sun and see goku melting
  • Zach 2010/01/15 14:44:31
    goku
    Zach
    +4
    I think Goku would win, hands down, he has no weakness, superman has kryptonite, goku has his Kamehameha and the spirit bomb, superman has lazer vision and he can blow wind, yay for superman, goku can withstand any gust of wind, and he can destroy supermans lazer vision with a simple ki blast. Goku would win hands down.
  • haseo_W... Zach 2010/01/25 11:38:10
    haseo_Winset
    +1
    bull he is a human after all and superman is the man of steel and the type of steel that is not found on earth guku could not kill superman even if superman just stood there and goku started to break his limit and throw everything he has on superman. Dude its not like kryptonite is lying around the corner and there have been cases where supes has kicked ass even with chunks of krptonite around
  • iwan haseo_W... 2010/10/19 19:17:20
    iwan
    +3
    goku isnt human.......... idiot. goku in ssj4 is passed god like powers he has unlimited power he could destroy any galaxy without trying it would take superman all his strength to just destroy a planet. if you have never been told this all characters in db are extremly overpowered compared to any anime/movie/series. i put it this way krillen or kid goku could beat superman after a long fight never mind superSAIJAN see not superhuman it says saijan so it is obvo he not human
  • Troy Ha... haseo_W... 2012/04/15 03:10:40

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