What do you find more humiliating? Israeli buildings -- or Islamist killings?

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Remember that 10 Palestinians are killed for every Israeli.

Of course one also has to realize that Israel isn't targeting civilians in the same manner as some Palestinians do. They just use guns so big that collateral damage is inevitable. The moral issues in Israel/Palestine are rarely one-sided.

Mostly true enough I guess. Except usually Israel gets shot at for years -- or attacked all out -- before it shoots back.

But the whole kill ratio thing? There's so many things wrong with basing arguments on that, I don't even know where to start.

Don't forget that Hamas likes to stand behind the kids.

Yeah. Schools and UN compounds make great staging areas. But that isn't cowardice. It's dedication. It's genocidal hatred so great that Hamas will sacrifice anything -- including their own kids -- to turn inevitable military defeat into certain propaganda victory. All in the great battle to de-legitimate Israel.

Nevertheless, the fact remains. Hamas kill their own babies. By placing them in the line of Israeli fire. Not by mistake. Totally on purpose. And the name for children and babies killed by their own in this way is "martyrs".

The Gaza strip is the most densely populated area on the planet.

Can we finish your argument for you?

Because Gaza is so densely populated -- that's why it may seem like Hamas shoves children into the line of fire. But it isn't true. There just isn't any way to get anyone out of the line of fire. Because how densely populated Gaza is.

Is this what you were trying to argue?

Not exactly. We can't know if Hamas purposefully fights in populated areas, as there is nowhere in Gaza without civilians.

It's dense in the city areas but if you go to google maps and take a real good look at gaza you will find a lot of non-dense areas and farmland.

And that means the women and their kids (who are always warned in advance) should be called by Hamas to stand on the roofs of buildings to prevent the Israelis from hitting it? You've seen the pictures of that right? And the women should lovingly send their children to stand in front of the Hamas members to protect them? Good idea. (sarc)

And it's so populated that members of Hamas have to cowardly hide in the basement of the hospital full of civilians.

The civilians can get out of the way. There are places they can go after the Israelis call them with their warnings. It's dense in the city areas but if you go to google maps and take a real good look at gaza you will find a lot of non-dense areas and farmland.

Indeed. And also? It just isn't very honest arguing how densely populated Gaza is. Not after you keep firing the rockets from schools, hospitals or next to U.N. compounds.

I mean, let's put it all together. You grab your rockets and setup by a school or hospital because you figure that's a win/win for you. If Israel can't shoot back for fear of civilian casualties? That's a win. But if Israel does shoot back and civilians and/or kids wind up dead? Well, that's also a win. A huge propaganda win. Because now you get to scream how Israelis are baby killers. Which maybe feels even better than actually killing Israelis. Because if Israelis are baby killers? That can only mean you're the good guys.

But in reality? What you're doing is pushing your own kids into the line of fire -- just to make believe Israelis are out to kill your kids. And that's diseased.

Hamas held its own race captive on the Gaza hoping Israel wouldn't fire, and they didn't for a long time. They think they are all going to heaven when they die just because they know allah. The Christian God, says no they won't.

Remember what Jesus said: If you hate, you have murder in your heart. And they will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Unless they repent and turn from that kind of thinking to Christ. He came to give life, the devil comes to steal & kill.

Oh really? Prove it. Hamas bomb Israel for 8 years during a time of peace and would not stop, killed many people. Then Israel said enough and ran them off the Gaza.

You know that zuggi