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  • USC Gamecock fan 2012/06/14 00:58:42
    USC Gamecock fan
    +1
    Well it uses little gas poot poot
  • SK-pro ... USC Gam... 2012/06/15 14:02:27
  • Prime Time Lime 2012/06/12 16:27:18
    Prime Time Lime
    +1
    I could never understand people that dispise others that want a greener,and less polluted world.It makes no sense to leave a more polluted world for future generation,when we have the technology not to do so,and it is our responsibility.
  • SK-pro ... Prime T... 2012/06/12 16:29:17
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    Boy do i know how to draw out the loony tree huggers or what? green energy is only 1% of all resources hardly a lucrative endeavor to say the least.
  • Prime T... SK-pro ... 2012/06/12 16:32:02
    Prime Time Lime
    You sure like to throw out phoney labels to make a point.Use logic not emotion,that goes much further in intelligent conversations.If a car ,or any other invention,does not use oil,coal or other polluting sources of energy,it is good for the earth.
  • SK-pro ... Prime T... 2012/06/12 16:36:06
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    prove me wrong. it's the libs who put emotion over reason and fact because they always need to find something that makes them feel good about their miserable selves.
  • Prime T... SK-pro ... 2012/06/12 16:38:43
    Prime Time Lime
    It has nothing to do with political stances,all parties and the members of these parties want to see a greener,cleaner world.So members of all parties would drive an electric or gas electric car to make the world cleaner,it is moral responsiblity.
  • SK-pro ... Prime T... 2012/06/12 18:01:16
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    still waiting for you to prove me wrong. i realize though that would end up making you feel horrible about yourself when i slap with the facts.
  • Captain... Prime T... 2012/06/12 18:56:03
    Captain-Morgan
    +1
    Tell that to China, Africa, and South America, who will be pumping Hundred of Billions pounds of pollution into the air. Without any controls or regulations. THIS is not about the saving the environment. It's all about transfer of wealth from us, the USA to third world countries. About putting us into a box where we are dependant on foreign countries for their resources. Our socialist POTUS, believes it's time that America should step down from it's economic, and military place of power. Let the New Socialist World Order Take Control..
  • Kat ♪ ~BTO-t-BCRA-F~ ♪ 2012/06/12 13:03:24
  • budgerigar42 2012/06/12 11:59:27
    budgerigar42
    +1
    I can't believe how ignorant this question is. You right-winged idiots are the ones who support oil drilling for big corporations. You'd rather make monopolies and destroy the earth, and Obama's the one trying to make a green economy. And now you're trying to make seem like the other way around.
  • SK-pro ... budgeri... 2012/06/12 16:23:59
  • Lee 2012/06/12 10:47:05
    Lee
    The Dolt??

    You mean Mitt Romney ??
  • SK-pro ... Lee 2012/06/12 16:25:11
    SK-pro impeachment
    Nope not at all. could have and should have called it the Biden. Although it is powered by the BIden Bowl Man.
  • Chukroast 2012/06/12 07:13:50
    Chukroast
    Doesn't matter. They're 70% Chinese manufactured.
  • Lee Chukroast 2012/06/12 10:49:24
    Lee
    So are Harley Davidsons, Fords, and Cadillacs.
  • Brian Tristan MacQuillan 2012/06/12 03:47:54
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +2
    This is the logo for Tesla Motors Inc.


    They make ALL electric, high performance, sports cars like this.


    Not only are they cars they make nice looking, but they work, an work very well.


    The company is a business, built with capital, and the business makes money, with which it employes people, and builds upon its success. Tesla Motors is also a public company that trades on the NASDAQ stock exchange under the symbol TSLA.


    A functional all electric car is a premium product, and not one that can be purchased immediately by everyday consumers in the general market place, for they are expensive, and the technology is not on par with their gas consuming cousins. According to a blog post by Tesla CEO, Chairman and Product Architect Elon Musk, "New technology in any field takes a few versions to optimize before reaching the mass market and in this case it is competing with 150 years and trillions of dollars spent on gasoline cars."

    But GM, because of corporate decisions and government pressure, did not release hybrid or all electric technology starting in their premium brands cars, and then let the perfected technology trickle down to consumer brand cars, instead they rushed onto the scene with the Chevrolet Volt in 2010, an electric vehicle with back-up generators po...









    This is the logo for Tesla Motors Inc.
    logo tesla motors inc

    They make ALL electric, high performance, sports cars like this.
    logo tesla motors inc electric high performance sports cars

    Not only are they cars they make nice looking, but they work, an work very well.


    The company is a business, built with capital, and the business makes money, with which it employes people, and builds upon its success. Tesla Motors is also a public company that trades on the NASDAQ stock exchange under the symbol TSLA.
    tesla motors public company trades nasdaq stock exchange symbol tsla

    A functional all electric car is a premium product, and not one that can be purchased immediately by everyday consumers in the general market place, for they are expensive, and the technology is not on par with their gas consuming cousins. According to a blog post by Tesla CEO, Chairman and Product Architect Elon Musk, "New technology in any field takes a few versions to optimize before reaching the mass market and in this case it is competing with 150 years and trillions of dollars spent on gasoline cars."

    But GM, because of corporate decisions and government pressure, did not release hybrid or all electric technology starting in their premium brands cars, and then let the perfected technology trickle down to consumer brand cars, instead they rushed onto the scene with the Chevrolet Volt in 2010, an electric vehicle with back-up generators powered by gasoline. The production Chevrolet Volt was available in late 2010 as a 2011 model with limited availability, and a hefty price tag.

    Interestingly enough, American automakers also rushed a diesel fuel powered car onto the market more than some 30 years earlier, which was so awful it single handedly killed the market for American made diesel fuel powered cars. Today, European made diesel fuel powered cars are not only reliable, and clean, but also fuel efficient. The Volt is nowhere close to being that bad, nor will it have that kind of effect, but the technology was indeed rushed to market too quickly, all to placate the ideologies of major players.

    General Motors was the first company (in the modern era) to release an all-electric automobile. In 1990, GM debuted the "Impact" concept car at the Los Angeles Auto Show. It was the first car with zero-emissions marketed in the US in over three decades. The Impact was eventually produced as the EV1 for the 1996 model year. It was available through dealers located in only a few regions (e.g., California, Arizona, Georgia). Vehicles were leased, rather than sold, to individuals. In 1999 GM decided to cease production of the vehicles. When the individual leases had expired, they declined to renew the leases or allow the lessors to purchase them. All of the EV1s were eventually returned to General Motors and, with the exception of a few which were donated to museums, all were destroyed. The documentary film "Who Killed the Electric Car?" covered the EV1 story. GM had abandoned the electric car.

    Tesla however, in 2003, had two independent teams, consisting of Martin Eberhard, Marc Tarpenning and Ian Wright on the one hand, and Elon Musk and JB Straubel on the other, both sought to commercialize the T-Zero prototype electric sports car created by AC Propulsion. An they stuck to it, an the result was Tesla Motors' first production vehicle, the Tesla Roadster, is an all-electric sports car, available since 2008. A true performance vehicle, the car has a range of 245 miles per charge on average according to testing done by Tesla. The Tesla Roadster can accelerate from zero to 60 mph in under 4 seconds, and has a top speed of 125 mph.

    Now as far as government money, Tesla Motors Inc. in June 2009 Tesla was approved to receive US$465 million in interest-bearing loans from the United States Department of Energy. The funding, part of an US$8 billion program for advanced vehicle technologies (Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program), supports engineering and production of the Model S sedan, as well as the development of powertrain technology that Tesla plans to sell to other automakers. BUT the low-interest loans are NOT related to the "bailout" funds that GM and Chrysler have received, NOR are they related to the 2009 economic stimulus package.

    The question is, why couldn't a giant like GM, with all of it's resources, have made a Roadster, and then taken that technology and used it in a consumer version car? The answer is not all that hard to figure out.
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  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/12 10:45:09 (edited)
    Lee
    Please enlighten us as to why you think GM built the Volt.


    As to GM's diesels cars. I had two of them . . . a 1982 Oldsmobile Delta 88 5.7 Liter and a 1982 Chevy Scottsdale Pickup 6.4 Liter.

    The reason I bought them is because diesel at the time was considerably cheaper than gasoline.

    And the reason GM built and sold them is because people wanted diesel vehicles that were cheaper to drive.
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/06/13 01:41:49
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    Good day Lee.

    If you notice, domestic diesel motor vehicles experts are European manufactures. The only place we have any real expertise is with trucks, and that trickles down to domestic trucks available from our American auto manufacturers.

    There was no well thought out game plan by American auto manufactures in regards to domestic vehicles that ran on diesel, and they just made whatever in diesel.

    Chevy has had an electric car on "the drawing board", as GM has all kinds of things on "the drawing board" so it can say it does, to please various people, and/or groups. The Volt was thrown together so they would have a domestic electric car in terms of size, and style. Obviously the price point is NOT in line with a domestic car.

    The Volt was built as a concept car, so GM would have an electric car, plain and simple. The Volt was put into production because GM had taken government money, and needed to please the government sugar daddy, plain and simple.

    Manufactures typically put out "beta products" so people can get the first crack at trying the "newest thing", and test them out. American automobile manufactures are one of the few industries that actually release "beta products" to the general public as "finished products."
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/13 11:25:47 (edited)
    Lee
    Europeans are not "domestic diesel motor vehicles experts."

    Europeans are not domestic . . . They are foreigners.

    This nation has incredible expertise in the manufacture of diesel engines. Caterpillar diesel motors, Detroit diesels. and screamin' Jimmies have been around for decades. And they power all kinds of equipment other than just trucks.

    These engines are too big too be used in cars, so when the demand for diesel cars became evident, GM converted gasoline engines to diesel. It did not work out so well, but the entire process was a response to free market demand. And private sector responses to free market demands do not always work out so well.

    The Volt was not "thrown together." It was carefully planned and designed, using the most affordable processes available with a view toward establishing a basis for electrical car manufacturing in the US.

    Sure, the first volts will eventually be regarded as inefficient oddities, like the Benz Motorwagen, but it's a step in the right direction.

    Plenty of concept cars have put into production immediately. There's is nothing new about that.

    The fact is, this administration is working with private industry for the good of this nation and the world, in the face of massive opposition from idiotic Right Wing ideologues.
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/06/13 15:47:37
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    Europeans currently make domestic diesel automobiles, i.e. passenger cars, not trucks, with diesel passenger car engines, not truck engines, that are excellent. Domestic refers to the automobile, not the people. Europeans today make excellent diesel fuel powered passenger cars, whereas the United States fumbled that ball long ago, an gave up.

    The ham handed strategies of American auto manufactures is well documented, and the results of that are evident from the bailout.

    Cutting edge technology starts in the premium brands and then trickles down to the general consumer brands. The Volt is a general consumer brand car, with consumer brand badges and styling (Chevy), but also with premium brand technology and the price tag to go along with it. That may have been planned, but it is not carefully thought out.

    Very few concept cars are rushed into production the way the Volt was, and we all know why it was immediately put into production; to please the government sugar daddy.

    The Obama Administration "working" with private industry has cost the taxpayers a great deal of money, most of it on credit adding to the massive and ballooning debt, and there has been very little to show for it in return. Only idiotic left wing ideologues trumpet that type of command-control economics.

    Keynesian economics
  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/13 20:29:29 (edited)
    Lee
    In America, the term “domestic” means American, home grown, from America, made in America. A domestic automobile is one made in America, by a domestic auto maker. Therefore, domestic diesel motor vehicles experts are NOT imported from Europe. Why is that concept so difficult for you to understand?

    And what’s this about ham-handed strategies of American auto makers? True, GM’s diesel cars and pickups of the early 80’s were not well designed. They were fraught with problems. I know that personally. In fact, there got to be so may Oldsmobile 5.7 liter diesels in American auto salvage yards, all I had to do every time my fuel injection pump went out was to buy another injection pump for ten bucks from a salvage yard, install it in 20 minutes and be up and running.

    Please note that the ham handed strategies that led to the manufacture of those diesels by GM was a direct response to market demands. It was free enterprise in action, which doesn’t always work out so well. Capitalism is far from perfect

    Although few concept cars are rushed into production, some of them are . . . the Corvette for example. People loved it and demanded it. The prototype had a fiberglass body, and since the demand for the car was so high, GM decided to forego the process of retooling to build the ca...









    In America, the term “domestic” means American, home grown, from America, made in America. A domestic automobile is one made in America, by a domestic auto maker. Therefore, domestic diesel motor vehicles experts are NOT imported from Europe. Why is that concept so difficult for you to understand?

    And what’s this about ham-handed strategies of American auto makers? True, GM’s diesel cars and pickups of the early 80’s were not well designed. They were fraught with problems. I know that personally. In fact, there got to be so may Oldsmobile 5.7 liter diesels in American auto salvage yards, all I had to do every time my fuel injection pump went out was to buy another injection pump for ten bucks from a salvage yard, install it in 20 minutes and be up and running.

    Please note that the ham handed strategies that led to the manufacture of those diesels by GM was a direct response to market demands. It was free enterprise in action, which doesn’t always work out so well. Capitalism is far from perfect

    Although few concept cars are rushed into production, some of them are . . . the Corvette for example. People loved it and demanded it. The prototype had a fiberglass body, and since the demand for the car was so high, GM decided to forego the process of retooling to build the car of metal, and made the first batch out of fiberglass. Corvette bodies are still made out of fiberglass.

    And yes, Obama’s partnerships cost money. What doesn’t? But at least it’s for a good cause . . to promote the general welfare and help secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posrterity.

    After all, it’s not as if Obama started an absolutely senseless in war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands and ran up three trillion dollars in debt for the US taxpayers (and our posterity) to pay off.

    I think it's cool that Mitt Romney is such a big supporter of Keynesian economics. That's one of the few things he has right.

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes...

    In fact, many Right Wingers are Keynesians. They're just too stupid to know it.
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  • Brian T... Lee 2012/06/13 23:16:58
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    A domestic car is one made for everyday people to use domestically. A domestic car is not a sports car, and it is not a speciality car, it is a car for everyday use. A domestic product is one that is made in country. It all depends how you are using the word. Domestic threats are those inside of United States borders, but the threat could be of foreign origin. So it could be a domestic threat, but of foreign origin. Just like a car manufactured over there, but made for here.

    "And what’s this about ham-handed strategies of American auto makers?" You made my point. The only thing I would add to it is, American auto manufacturers do not make many diesel passenger cars, whereas if you go into a European car dealership, you have most models available in diesel. The American auto makers jumped for the diesel boat, and ended up in the water; ham-handed. An all electric car like the Tesla Roadster, which is bad ass, is not even comparable to a Chevy Volt, which is not all electric, and is in no way desirable beyond that it is powered by batteries.

    Market demands demand a product, and the market demands that the product should work well. A product that works well will sell, thereby meeting the needs of the market. When a manufacturer just throws something out there that is su...










    A domestic car is one made for everyday people to use domestically. A domestic car is not a sports car, and it is not a speciality car, it is a car for everyday use. A domestic product is one that is made in country. It all depends how you are using the word. Domestic threats are those inside of United States borders, but the threat could be of foreign origin. So it could be a domestic threat, but of foreign origin. Just like a car manufactured over there, but made for here.

    "And what’s this about ham-handed strategies of American auto makers?" You made my point. The only thing I would add to it is, American auto manufacturers do not make many diesel passenger cars, whereas if you go into a European car dealership, you have most models available in diesel. The American auto makers jumped for the diesel boat, and ended up in the water; ham-handed. An all electric car like the Tesla Roadster, which is bad ass, is not even comparable to a Chevy Volt, which is not all electric, and is in no way desirable beyond that it is powered by batteries.

    Market demands demand a product, and the market demands that the product should work well. A product that works well will sell, thereby meeting the needs of the market. When a manufacturer just throws something out there that is suppose to fill that category, and it does not work so well, then of course people are not going to buy it. How in the heck do you think Japanese and Korean auto makers got a foothold, and gained a significant market share of auto sales in the United States? They were able to do so because of the failures of United States headquartered, and manufactured automobiles. In the free market where there is failure, there is opportunity for someone else who wants to meet the need. Free markets are not command-control economies where consumers MUST buy the product that is offered, whether it works or not.

    Capitalism is a person's best chance of getting ahead economically. Capitalism gives the consumer the best options of what they can buy. Capitalism, for any of its so called failures, is much better than any other form of economy, as history proves, and proves again.

    The government does not need to economically be involved in the private sector by acting as a venture capitalist with tax payers money, nor does it need to finance anything in the private sector. Obama thinks it does, you think it does, and so do some other people. But how has that worked out?
    Oh, yeah.

    Obama has spent more money than not only Bush 43 (and his military adventures in exotic lands), but more than a whole bunch of presidents combined, and that figure continues to creep backward the more Obama spends. You can hardly blame Bush 43 now for the debt, since Obama is responsible for most of it now.

    There are many people who are fans of Keynesian economics, but it is not because they work, it is because they will make the government the biggest employer in the land, and because the government gets to "control" the economy. It is all about control, and management. On any other level Keynesian economics is a proven failure. It all depends what is trying to be accomplished whether Keynesian economics is used.

    Right-wingers who are Keynesians, should be made to reregister as Democrats, voted out of office, and given a one way ticket to France.
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  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/13 23:39:05 (edited)
    Lee
    No. All cars are either domestics or imports. A car over here manufactured over there is an import.

    And NO, a domestic car is not one that's been tamed.

    You Right Wing Nut Jobs are hilarious.

    And yes, you are correct. Capitalism has had some horrendous failures. As a matter of fact, if were not for the excesses of Oligarchic Capitalism, Marxism would never have come to pass, and Stalinist
    Russia would never have existed. After all, Marx's theories came about as a reaction to the wage slavery and the oppression of a domineering Capitalism.

    Mixed economies are what works. That's why we have a mixed economy in this nation.

    And yes, we absolutely CAN blame GW (Gutless Wonder) Bush for the debt. It's going to take a lot of money for this nation to recover from all that Right Wing malfeasance.

    You throw lots of terms around who's meanings you clearly do not understand.

    You say you oppose Keynesian economics, and so i assume you're a fan of Classical Economics or Supply Side Economics, which are based on Say's Law.

    I don't really understand Say's Law.

    Please explain it to me in terms you can understand.
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/06/14 06:30:05
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    A car that is use domestically, by a private person can be a domestic car. It depends what you are referring to when you label the car. A sports car, or a SUV, or a pickup truck that is owned and used by a private person primarily as their form of transportation can be a domestic vehicle. Whereas a pickup truck used for work is a commercial vehicle.

    You are talking about production, which can be just as problematic if domestic only means one thing to you. Most Toyotas are domestically produced (meaning in the United States) by United States citizens, it just so happens that the corporate headquarters is in Japan. So is that a domestic car? How about the GM cars that are produced in Canada, by Canadians, but corporate headquarters in in the United States. Is that a domestic car?

    The tangle of what a domestic motor vehicle is or is not, is not as simple as you would like to make it, nor is domestic used only to refer to production, as it can pertain to use.

    For a left-winger I do realize that is pretty heavy I know. So I will pause till you catch up...




    ...LOL
    "And yes, you are correct. Capitalism has had some horrendous failures."
    I never said that, nice try though.
    Capitalism gives the best opportunity for people to be the masters of their own economic prosperity. Plain and s...







    A car that is use domestically, by a private person can be a domestic car. It depends what you are referring to when you label the car. A sports car, or a SUV, or a pickup truck that is owned and used by a private person primarily as their form of transportation can be a domestic vehicle. Whereas a pickup truck used for work is a commercial vehicle.

    You are talking about production, which can be just as problematic if domestic only means one thing to you. Most Toyotas are domestically produced (meaning in the United States) by United States citizens, it just so happens that the corporate headquarters is in Japan. So is that a domestic car? How about the GM cars that are produced in Canada, by Canadians, but corporate headquarters in in the United States. Is that a domestic car?

    The tangle of what a domestic motor vehicle is or is not, is not as simple as you would like to make it, nor is domestic used only to refer to production, as it can pertain to use.

    For a left-winger I do realize that is pretty heavy I know. So I will pause till you catch up...




    ...LOL
    "And yes, you are correct. Capitalism has had some horrendous failures."
    I never said that, nice try though.
    Capitalism gives the best opportunity for people to be the masters of their own economic prosperity. Plain and simple. Has been proven, over and over historically. And no economic set up on earth gives that possibility, aside from Capitalism. Not some Marxist set up, and not some hybrid of whatever mixed with Capitalism.

    Our economy is based on Capitalism, and that is what it is. Is it pure Capitalism? No, it is not, there are some controls. Regardless, it is a Capitalist economy, with too much Capitalism for your taste, you just want more "mixed".

    I do understand economics very well, thank you very much. You splitting hairs to make what I say "incorrect" is nothing but word play. The Chicago School of economics, and the Austrian School of economics both reject Keynesian economics, in theory, in practice, and on the merits. You know perfectly well what Says Law is. LOL But to get to the point, free markets can indeed solve the economy's problems (recessions, stagnation, depression, unemployment) much better than command economies will ever be able to do. In fact, if you pay attention after Romney is elected, you will see that unleashing the economy will work better than what Obama is doing.

    No you can no longer blame Bush 43. Did he run up the debt? Yup, he sure did. But Obama got in there and he eclipsed that. Hell, he eclipsed the spending of a whole gaggle of administrations in less than three years. Obama absolutely owns the debt, and absolutely owns the economy by virtue of his spending to "fix it." Leave it to a dumb ass Keynesian.

    The only thing I do not get about people of your political stripe is this, the country you want to live in exists already, somewhere in Europe, there are various mixed economies over there of many flavors, and yet you want to change the United States. Why? Why not just move?
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  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/14 13:00:52
    Lee
    The term “domestic,” when used to describe a car, refers to where it was manufactured. And yes . . . I know that’s not true of domestic sheep, or domestic violence, or domestic hogs, or domestic servants, but it is true of domestic cars.

    “Unleashing the economy” is what caused the Housing Boom/Bust that led to GE’s Great Recession. Necessary regulations were not enforced. And the Fed, due to the Libertarian leanings of its head, did not do its duty. With Saint Mitt the Carp, we can expect a continuation of horrible that mismanagement.

    You say you understand economics, but apparently you can’t explain Say’s Law, the very foundation of the economic theory you espouse, any better than I can. You must be operating purely on faith, and not at all on logic. That doesn’t surprise me.

    And yes, we can blame GW (Gutless Wonder) Bush and his Repugnant Thugs for the tremendous harm they did to this nation. I say, place blame where blame is due.

    The country I want to live is right here, in the good Ol’ USA. I will stay and defend it from the infestation of Right Wing Nit Wits that continue to do so much harm to this nation and the world
  • Brian T... Lee 2012/06/15 09:05:20
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    First of all, domestic can be used in a variety of ways to describe an item, and that goes for motor vehicles also. When the reference is use, then the word means something different than where it was produced. This is grade school English.

    " 'Unleashing the economy' is what caused the Housing Boom/Bust that led to GE’s Great Recession."
    It did? You mean the federal government making lenders issue loans/mortgages to people who could not pay them was not the cause? GE? What does General Electric have to do with it? Oh wait, that knucklehead, Obama's buddy ran GE, yeah.

    Say's law is very simple to define and can be done some in a sentence, and you know that. Furthermore, say is not the foundation of the economic theory of the Chicago School or of the Austrian School. The whole idea behind both schools is you let the market work; the consumers buy what they want. Both schools of economic thought are by nature very logical, which is more than I can say about Keynesian economics.

    You can not place blame on Bush 43 anymore, when it was your boy, Obama, that has outspent more administrations combined going back to before you were alive. You do not seem to comprehend what an amazing feat of malfeasance that is for a president and a congress to have spent that much money in only ...

    First of all, domestic can be used in a variety of ways to describe an item, and that goes for motor vehicles also. When the reference is use, then the word means something different than where it was produced. This is grade school English.

    " 'Unleashing the economy' is what caused the Housing Boom/Bust that led to GE’s Great Recession."
    It did? You mean the federal government making lenders issue loans/mortgages to people who could not pay them was not the cause? GE? What does General Electric have to do with it? Oh wait, that knucklehead, Obama's buddy ran GE, yeah.

    Say's law is very simple to define and can be done some in a sentence, and you know that. Furthermore, say is not the foundation of the economic theory of the Chicago School or of the Austrian School. The whole idea behind both schools is you let the market work; the consumers buy what they want. Both schools of economic thought are by nature very logical, which is more than I can say about Keynesian economics.

    You can not place blame on Bush 43 anymore, when it was your boy, Obama, that has outspent more administrations combined going back to before you were alive. You do not seem to comprehend what an amazing feat of malfeasance that is for a president and a congress to have spent that much money in only one presidential term. The very nature of that gives ownership of the economy, lock, stock, and barrel, to the spenders.

    You do not seem to like much about the good Ol' USA. You do not have much use for the Constitution, the law of the land. You do not have much use for our Capitalistic based economy. I really do you would be much happier somewhere in Europe, with their cradle to grave entitlements, and strong central government control. The higher taxes would not bother you one bit, and nor would the decrease in freedom. It is like left-wing heaven on earth. You really should consider it. No guns, no Constitution, but lots of legal drugs, all kinds of legal sex trade things.
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  • Lee Brian T... 2012/06/15 10:55:48 (edited)
    Lee
    Yes, the term "domestic" can be used in various ways. Domestic Violence vs Commercial Violence. Domestic Cats vs Foreign Cats. The term "domestic" can be used nonsensically in many ways.

    But Domestic Cars are cars made here in America, plain and simple.

    Yes, 'Unleashing the economy' is what caused the Housing Boom/Bust that led to GE’s Great Recession."

    The Fed failed to intercede to quell all that irrational exuberance during the feeding frenzy of the housing bubble because its leader, a self-described Libertarian, decided to let his ideology prevail over good sense. And GW Bush himself encouraged Fannie and Freddie to make risky sub-prime loans to 5.5 million dirt poor minority families as a way of "unleashing the economy."

    Yes, that's GW, not GE. Typos happen, and when they do happen, debaters with unsupportable positions immediately jump on them to deflect attention away from their own weak arguments. No surprise there.

    You still have not explained Say's Law, the very foundation of your the economic theory you advance. One can only conclude that it's as mysterious to you as it is to me. That just goes to show how pretentious, fragile, and untenable Right Wing logic really is.

    And yes, absolutely, we can still put the blame where the blame is due. GW Bush and his Repugnant Thugs left this nation in a world of pain that will be felt for years.
  • fisherman 2012/06/12 02:36:12
    fisherman
    +3
    the new renewable energy..
    ex lax
  • JT For Political Reform 2012/06/12 02:34:57
  • Dan (Politicaly Incorrect) 2012/06/12 02:16:27
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +2
    More taxpayers money down the toilet.
  • Lee Dan (Po... 2012/06/12 10:52:49
    Lee
    . . . .Like GW's Three Trillion Dollar Iraq war?

    . . . And Reagan's Star Wars initiative?
  • Dan (Po... Lee 2012/06/12 10:58:51
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    Star war helped bring down the Soviet Union. Which most Libs may not like. Iraq war? How about Obama expanding the wars in the Middle east to Yemen, Lybia and Pakistan?
    By the way, Reagan nor Bush are President anymore. Obama has been president for 3 and a half years. This is his economy and his wars now.
    You Libs are pathetic always blaming Bush for what Obama is doing.
  • Lee Dan (Po... 2012/06/12 14:26:28 (edited)
    Lee
    Stars Wars did nothing except run up tremendous debt.

    Remember, Little Ronnie RayGun TRIPLED the national debt just so he could play with his Great Big Star Wars Play Set. And of course, buying votes by decreasing taxes just made revenue less than it otherwise would have been.

    GW copied his hero Reagan to a T, and look what that got us.

    Obama is still dealing with the horrible effects of all that Republican malfeasance.

    BTW . . . I'm not a Lib.
  • Dan (Po... Lee 2012/06/12 17:59:48
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    You talk like a Lib, bery ignorant. We out spent the Soviet Union with Star Wars and it helped to defeat it.
    I will remind you that it is Congress that has the purse strings. The war in Iraq was authorized by Congress.
    Obama has expanded the war. So dealing with it is expanding it? Yeah, with logic like that no wonder this Country is so screwed up.
  • Lee Dan (Po... 2012/06/13 00:57:48
    Lee
    lol . . . You talk like just one more retarded Right Wing Nut Job . . . swallowing the spiel of Rush Limbaugh et al and regurgitating it here.

    You're an idiot.

    Reagan was no more responsible for the demise of the Soviet Union then was any other President since Truman.

    In fact, Reagan really sucked as a President.

    The war in Iraq was only "authorized by Congress" after the GW Bush administration lied to Congress about those horrible WMD's Saddam had stored up.

    Obama has not expanded the war. The Iraq war is pretty much over.

    Afghanistan, on the other hand, was pretty much ignored by GW when he decided to focus on Iraq, and that caused us to lose positive inertia.

    Obama is playing the sh*tty hand he was dealt by the irresponsible and idiotic
    Bush administration just about as well as it can be played.

    The last thing we need is another Reaganite piece of scum in the Oval Office.
  • srini 2012/06/12 01:48:26
    srini
    +3
    Eh, I thought that already WAS the "Volt's" actual name--kind of like salesmen terming a car "goldenrod" rather than "lemon-yellow"!
  • SunShine 2012/06/12 01:38:37
    SunShine
    +4
    hahaha.. that is hilarious.. lol here is obi's half volt..

    1 2 volt
  • SK-pro ... SunShine 2012/06/12 01:40:05
  • Dark Knight 2012/06/11 22:48:12
    Dark Knight
    +4
    This won't be on the market long - it didn't come out as Obama expected - it will only hold 11 illegal aliens, not 20.

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