And the beat goes on.......TOP 10 SIGNS YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their ten...
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their ten...
And the beat goes on.......TOP 10 SIGNS YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian.
Posted from Pistol Princess "In tornado-ravaged Bible Belt, Churches Mobilize to Help"
(more)10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian.
Posted from Pistol Princess "In tornado-ravaged Bible Belt, Churches Mobilize to Help"
If he existed, sure. BUt we're talking about whether having laws must necessitate a deity. They do not. Humans can make laws to govern human societies. They do it all the time.
"There must be law in the universe."
There are universal laws. They're called "physics" and the "Laws of Thermodynamics". There are no universal moral laws, though.
"Also, there must be a creator, because the design demands a designer."
You're committing a logical fallacy here called "Begging the Question". You're assuming what you want to prove. You're assuming that there is a design in the first place as proof of there being a designer, when you have not proven that the universe is designed by an intelligent agency.
I'm not assuming there is a design. Nature clearly demonstrates the design by itself. The planets are hung in the middle of space and move by a system of organized patterns. The sun sets and rises on time every day. The seasons come and go. The trees shed their leaves and grow them again. Without the bees, flowers wouldn't be pollinated. DNA would be impossible without a designer. The design is right before our very eyes. There's no question that there's a design. Also, if there's a design, it necessitates that there must be a designer. Even Thomas Paine was not blind enough to assume that there is no designer for the design of the universe. That's why he marked himself a deist. Reason and logic demands a designer. Every design must have a designer.
No, any sentient creature that lives socially is capable of creating its own moral laws. Morality is not dependent upon a creator, as morality changes depending upon which culture you're talking about. What is moral for Americans, for instance, is not always moral for, say, the Chinese.
"There also must be a lawgiver."
Only if you assume an objective, universal morality which I do not, as explained above.
"Nature clearly demonstrates the design by itself."
If it were clear, there would be no debate about it. It is certainly not clear.
"The planets are hung in the middle of space and move by a system of organized patterns."
Astrophysics.
"The sun sets and rises on time every day. The seasons come and go."
Rotation of the Earth.
"The trees shed their leaves and grow them again. Without the bees, flowers wouldn't be pollinated. "
Biology and Evolution.
"DNA would be impossible without a designer."
That is not at all true. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean there isn't a scientific reason behind it. People used to think that thunder was god's anger, too. That doesn't make it true.
"There's no question that there's a design."
The vast majority of scientists question it. So do I. Since creationists ha...
No, any sentient creature that lives socially is capable of creating its own moral laws. Morality is not dependent upon a creator, as morality changes depending upon which culture you're talking about. What is moral for Americans, for instance, is not always moral for, say, the Chinese.
"There also must be a lawgiver."
Only if you assume an objective, universal morality which I do not, as explained above.
"Nature clearly demonstrates the design by itself."
If it were clear, there would be no debate about it. It is certainly not clear.
"The planets are hung in the middle of space and move by a system of organized patterns."
Astrophysics.
"The sun sets and rises on time every day. The seasons come and go."
Rotation of the Earth.
"The trees shed their leaves and grow them again. Without the bees, flowers wouldn't be pollinated. "
Biology and Evolution.
"DNA would be impossible without a designer."
That is not at all true. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean there isn't a scientific reason behind it. People used to think that thunder was god's anger, too. That doesn't make it true.
"There's no question that there's a design."
The vast majority of scientists question it. So do I. Since creationists have no proof that there is design, I'll stick with continuing to try to find out the mechanics of the universe through testable means.
"Reason and logic demands a designer. Every design must have a designer."
You know, saying the same thing repeatedly doesn't make it more right. It just means you can be consistently wrong.
Or maybe they trust theories that are testable and based on logical deduction more than they do fairy tales. Just sayin'.
"It says that man is totally depraved and can't even believe in God on his own, nor can he believe the Gospel."
All that says to me is the old men who wrote the bible understood that people would argue against it based on logical, rational grounds and made sure to tell believers what to think of them.
"If you ask me, that would explain why some people don't believe in God even when there's evidence all around them that there is a God."
In order for something to be evidence of gods existence, it must prove beyond any reasonable doubt that there is a god. It must also be testable, otherwise it is not proof at all, but conjecture. I am quite open to you providing proof that your god exists, but it must actually PROVE his existence. I have yet to see such proof.