You are not predestined. But, because God is the beginning and the end, He knows what choices you will make. He doesn't make you make those choices, you yourself make them.
You choose evil or good.
The True God...?: For Idiots
Scott ヶBrony Of PHAETヶ
2010/04/01 02:29:55
The so called..."True God" has three traits that he has to abide by.
1)Omnipotent=All powerful
2)Omniscience=All knowing
3)Omnipresence=everywhere at once (God is a bit fat in that sense)
To be the one true God you need to consume all of these traits and attributes.You can not have one without the other. now I can simply poke at this...several times (yes I've done it before many a time), were the theist will simply go to a thing call "Free will".
Apparently god can not interfere with human free will...it's breaking some law or some shit like that. However...one point in everyone life that we have no Free will over, something you can not control at all...what so ever, can you guess what it is?
When you are born. According to Christianity, Mr. Sky daddy decides when you are conserved however that is his act of will. Not your one!! Made anyone think yet...I somewhat doubt it...so, lets go deeper. I am a radical Atheist so msotly I just complain about religion while drinking tea. But god would know this long before I am born...
God purposely puts a atheist in this world against his/her free will, knowing that s/he will go to hell, yet still carries on with it, why? According to the Christian way of thinking, God does not want this to happen to me...if he doesn't then why put me knowingly into a chain of events that will put me there? I will make these choices out of free will...yes but God already knows my end game before he even creates me so the argument still remains. Essentially he is creating to burn in hell, and then blames me for it...cheers mate!
God knows what will happen to me and you even before he creates it...yet he doesn't want me to burn in the ever lasting BBQ but still proceeds with it, but firstly blames, punishes, torture and burns his "wonderful" creatoin for doing, what he knew it would do before making it?
I'm actually curious to this matter. This was not to bash but for my inquisitor feelings, have I missed something drastic or am I simply a heathen doomed for all eternity?
1)Omnipotent=All powerful
2)Omniscience=All knowing
3)Omnipresence=everywhere at once (God is a bit fat in that sense)
To be the one true God you need to consume all of these traits and attributes.You can not have one without the other. now I can simply poke at this...several times (yes I've done it before many a time), were the theist will simply go to a thing call "Free will".
Apparently god can not interfere with human free will...it's breaking some law or some shit like that. However...one point in everyone life that we have no Free will over, something you can not control at all...what so ever, can you guess what it is?
When you are born. According to Christianity, Mr. Sky daddy decides when you are conserved however that is his act of will. Not your one!! Made anyone think yet...I somewhat doubt it...so, lets go deeper. I am a radical Atheist so msotly I just complain about religion while drinking tea. But god would know this long before I am born...
God purposely puts a atheist in this world against his/her free will, knowing that s/he will go to hell, yet still carries on with it, why? According to the Christian way of thinking, God does not want this to happen to me...if he doesn't then why put me knowingly into a chain of events that will put me there? I will make these choices out of free will...yes but God already knows my end game before he even creates me so the argument still remains. Essentially he is creating to burn in hell, and then blames me for it...cheers mate!
God knows what will happen to me and you even before he creates it...yet he doesn't want me to burn in the ever lasting BBQ but still proceeds with it, but firstly blames, punishes, torture and burns his "wonderful" creatoin for doing, what he knew it would do before making it?
I'm actually curious to this matter. This was not to bash but for my inquisitor feelings, have I missed something drastic or am I simply a heathen doomed for all eternity?
Top Opinion
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rightside 2010/04/01 23:12:40
ON JUDGEMENT DAY YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY YOU DID NOT CHANGE,,YOU CAN NOT BLAME IT ON GOD.. ITS YOUR CHOICE???
I did not choose to be an atheist, I just find it impossible to be a theist none the less your god knows I will become a atheist long before I am created....he creates a being knowing that it will burn in hell. This is ebfore any choice is made or any thought is made by thus person.
How do you make the choice to be born exactly? When did you have a say in the mater?
A chain of events is not something that can simply be broken....only way to break it is form the start and that's nearly impossibly becuase the time you realise what's happening you missed the cut off point.
God knows the end game, if he doesn't then he is not all powerful he knows what will happen in my life before I am born he knows I will be a atheist before I do. Your arguments are that I've already made the choices but i haven't, my argument is, that for god to be real everything is pre-determined, and can not be changed, if it can then your god would have been wrong and thus not Omniscience, thus not all powerful.
I do not believe in your fallacy of a god and thus I can not blame it for my mistakes. I never did nor will i ever. But your god is a paradox of it's own with many contradicting factors.
How did you even find this post anyway?
GOD ALLOWS YOU CHOICES
I do not believe in your fallacy of a god(( THAT IS A CHOICE ))and thus I can not blame it for my mistakes. I never did nor will i ever. But your god is a paradox of it's own with many contradicting factors. ((ONE MUST HAVE FAITH)) ((ON JUDGMENT DAY ,GOD MAY ASK WHY YOU REFUSED TO MAKE CHOICES??
How did you even find this post anyway? I WANDER A LOT ..
I SUGGEST YOU CONTACT THE JESUS CHRIST PROGRAM ON KFI 640 AM LA CA. AND ASK YOUR QUESTIONS .. IAM GOING TO ,FOR MY OWN INFORMATION..
MAY GOD BLESS YOU ..
I think the answer to your question is that the church is an imperfect medium for conveying Gods message. We've got the Bible, nature and our brains. The church is merely supposed to encourage the use of these. Yet often stifles them.
And how do you know that God chose the circumstances of your birth? Old oral Judaism has it that you choose (you get a little help though).
And as I've probably told you. I believe that the evidence points toward Earth being Hell at the present.
Have a nice day.
You cannot disprove God, anymore than the Christians can prove him.
Just like I think that God does exist. I can no more substantiate my claim than you can yours.
You have faith in the non-existance of God.
Though my concept may be different than others.
Fullstop.
Not trying to convert you or anything. Just thought we were having a pleasant chat. Have a nice one!
Fullstop.
Atheism in no more faith than bald is a hair color.
Atheism if you will is rather the acceptance of facts as they are. That is where there is evidence....actual physical evidence. Christianity can provide zero proof of a god.
Can you give me any proof that there is no God? Because if you cannot, you're acting out of faith.
p.s.
We are proof that the universe has the possibility of consciousness. For we are conscious. Therefore it is possible for the origin of matter (God) to be conscious.
Ooops. :)
God creates man to share in eternal life but again, does not force man to choose it. He sets the rules and lets man choose his own path - either to life or death. Although He knows what each man will choose he does not actually make the choice for him.
Please check out these verses from the Bible:
"Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. (Acts 13: 46-48)
Please note what was stated at the end of verse 48 which says, "and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." You see they were already ordained to eternal life; because they were ordained to eternal life, they believed. Those who were not ordained to eternal life will never believe.
Why is this, that some are ordained, and some are not? I contend, it is up to God. For all I know, the unordained, the unbelievers, the unsaved are placed on this earth to benefit the ordained, the believers, and the saved. Apparently, it seems to me, God may want to teach us something through them.
I don't really have anything else to say. Here's your tea!
But here you go:
The way I see it, religion effects us all, whether it's good or bad, whether we are a theist or not...I completely see what you mean but I don't like anything that teaches us not to try and understand the universe.
Oh, and my pink unicorn is hurt that you would make fun of him - really, he is very sensitive
I love my Invisible Pink Unicorn...he is called Bob.
Mine is named George