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mrigor 2008/12/17 23:16:08
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  • Keen Tojones 2009/07/11 10:32:48
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    Keen Tojones
    I think the human race is beginning to de-evolve. No more brilliant composers, no brilliantly innovative and viable fuel alternatives or vehicles. We need to re-think public schools.
  • Spider20 2008/12/29 07:59:09
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    Spider20
    No video....can't opine.........
  • DemonKiTTiE ♥ In MUSE I Tru... 2008/12/23 22:20:28
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    DemonKiTTiE ♥ In MUSE I Trust ♥
    Video link broken. Darn it...
  • socokid 2008/12/20 03:57:40
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    socokid
    +1
    The video link in the question is broken due to copyright infringement. Naughty naughty.

    So, I have no idea.
  • feretta 2008/12/18 22:25:00
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    feretta
    yay
  • Vnvet 2008/12/18 18:23:25 (edited)
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    Vnvet
    +1
    This car will help to trim down the notorious bad drivers out on our roads today.Hydrogen is very explosive on impact and we can take out the car itself plus the car that hit us.In one way it would be a good source of population control in that stupid distracted drivers will eliminate themselves on the road.Won't need so many tow-trucks out there when we can just sweep up the mess and bag it for burial.That being cause nobody will want to spend the time sorting out the parts.The first Atom bomb was after all Hydrogen and was scraped cause they couldn't control it....
  • mrigor Vnvet 2008/12/18 18:53:51
    mrigor
    Its actually refrigerated to turn it into liquid form.
  • Ace~Mr.... mrigor 2008/12/18 19:44:08
    Ace~Mr.Giantess~
    But that seems dangerous. If you did accidentally spill it on you it would freeze your body.
  • Ace~Mr.... Vnvet 2008/12/18 19:43:34 (edited)
    Ace~Mr.Giantess~
    +1
    Maybe Ford should bring back the Pinto as a hydrogen car :)
    ford pinto hydrogen car
  • mio Vnvet 2008/12/21 17:51:03 (edited)
    mio
    +1
    in reality, if a major collision were to happen, hydrogen is so very light, it would rise very rapidly ... the resulting fire will be almost entirely vertical, away from the occupants of the vehicle or any bystanders. However, when gasoline leaks in an accident, because it is heavy and its gas is also heavy, it stays near the ground or in the car, so there is greater risk to the occupants and bystanders.
  • Vnvet mio 2009/01/11 19:34:39
    Vnvet
    Don't worry about mom,she's been pushing daisys for awhile and none of my family wants any part of them.Check your perodoic table before you answer next time there bucko!All the ones at the begining are lighter than oxigen and our air is composed of a few orther elements besides O2.Liquid hydrogen is somewhat heavier than that so that takes care of that theroy.
  • fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust" 2008/12/18 18:08:39
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    +1
    Lets see now:
    It doesn't pollute
    It's a limitless energy source
    It's also safer because if a tank ruptures the gas will go up instead of pooling and spreading.
    We can tell OPEC what to do with their oil.

    I LOVE IT!!!
  • mrigor fuzzy K... 2008/12/18 18:51:58
    mrigor
    +1
    The energy source takes processing and is really only a carrier of energy. Meaning you put in more than you get out of it.
  • fuzzy K... mrigor 2008/12/18 18:57:04
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    That is always the case.
  • mrigor fuzzy K... 2008/12/18 18:59:48
    mrigor
    Not with oil or coal or nuclear energy.
  • Ace~Mr.Giantess~ 2008/12/18 16:37:07
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    I don't like anything related to cars lol.
  • Heptarch 2008/12/18 16:00:37
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    This is truly the future of cars. If the Big 3 were smart they'd get on the cutting edge of this technology and stay there.
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/18 18:01:07
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Actually, Ford got their Hydrogen powered Ka and Explorers placed in the new James Bond Film.
    (The Fords will probably be built off shore while the Honda will probably be built in the US)
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/18 18:17:59
    Heptarch
    +1
    Yes, but they're behind the curve a bit yet. They're catching up, but they're still behind.
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/18 18:27:52
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    This is typical of the Big 3 US automakers. They went from innovators to a day late and a dollar short.
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/18 18:33:19
    Heptarch
    +1
    And then blaming it on the market.

    "US consumers WANTED those huge gas-guzzling SUVs!"

    True, so far as it goes... but you folks knew that that market was ultimately unsustainable. Yet you continued to pour money and research into supporting that market when you knew that sooner or later it would collapse.

    The Big 3 blew it, for sure... but they should get help from Washington, tied to concrete "green" goals.
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/18 19:01:08
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    I disagree. the big 3 have taken a good deal of manufacturing offshore. I say let them sink or swim.
    If they sink all the Japanese manufacturers with US operations would be quick to fill in the void.
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/18 19:06:53
    Heptarch
    +1
    They've taken those jobs offshore because the UAW drove labor prices through the roof. If it costs the same or just a little more to do business with American workers I'm willing to believe that American companies would come back to America.

    You're right... the Japanese would be only too happy to take up where the Big 3 leave off if they sink. But do you really want to rely on the Japanese to make our materiel of war? The Big 3 are the Arsenal of Democracy and are absolutely essential to the American military. I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to buy our tanks from a foreign country.
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/18 19:25:12
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Actually, the American employees of the Japanese automakers make almost the same as UAW guys and have decent benefits too. It's not the cost, per see, it's the Union BS that made the US automakers go offshore.
    Check out this article. It was published over five years ago and foretold what's happening today. http://www.time.com/time/maga...

    I would feel more comfortable with Japanese companies than Chinese.
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/18 19:27:01
    Heptarch
    +2
    I would feel better with American companies over ANY foreign company. In times of large-scale war, we MUST have the infrastructure to support our military machine.
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/18 19:31:45
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    I agree with you, but I would be reticent to trust a GM tank built in Mexico or Guatemala.
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/18 19:36:53
    Heptarch
    +1
    Not really disagreeing with that. Those jobs need to come back to the US, though, and that can only happen if the UAW is either non-existent or understands the nature of the global marketplace well enough to know that their day of holding the company hostage is over forever.

    Management is not blameless, though. They need to have a little more loyalty to something other than the bottom line. Sure, they might be able to make a few bucks more shipping jobs overseas, but they're undermining their own business if they do that. Americans are still the backbone of the car consumer market and they need to do more to ensure a stable marketplace here at home.
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/18 19:47:45
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Agreed.
    The Big 3 have to start making a reliable affordable automobile. They need to reorganize so that they more closely fit the Japanese model of production, but that will not happen as long as the UAW has them by the short hairs.
    Obama's support of the "Employee Free Choice Act" will eliminate secret balloting thereby exposing workers to personal intimidation and strengthening unions. We are going in the wrong direction here.
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/18 20:05:26
    Heptarch
    +1
    Maybe I'm not following here... how would eliminating secret balloting strengthen unions?
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/18 21:15:51
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Let's say you work in a non-union place and the union wants in. This would have to be taken to a vote. With a secret vote nobody knows how you voted. If EFCA goes into effect you would have to sign a card in public with your name on it if you want the union. If not, then you don't turn in your card. This sets up anti-union workers for intimidation and worse. Already, in places where they've had this those that voted against the union were harassed and assaulted.
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/19 16:29:36
    Heptarch
    +1
    Ah, I see what you're saying. Well I'm all for the secrecy of balloting.
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/19 18:44:50
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    The UAW has repeatedly tried to unionize the 'foreign' plants' and failed every time.
    If you pay people a decent wage, give them decent benefits and treat them fairly they do not want a union. To them it's just more money out of their pockets (dues) and lots more BS rules.
    Did you ever hear the joke about the union man and the bordellos?
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/19 18:50:11 (edited)
    Heptarch
    +1
    The only problem with that is this: Given their druthers, management will ALWAYS treat the bottom line as more important than their employees. Unions, in the general sense, are needed. But Unions also need to stop trying to exceed their mandate.

    No, I've never heard it. Fire away...
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/19 18:59:05
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    Yet, another union joke;
    Four workers were discussing how smart their dogs were. The first was an engineer who said his dog could do math calculations. His dog was named "T-Square", and he told him to get some paper and draw a square, a circle and a triangle, which the dog did with no sweat. The accountant said he thought his dog was better. His dog was named "Slide Rule". He told him to fetch a dozen cookies, bring them back, and divide them into piles of three, which he did with no problem. The chemist said that was good, but he felt his dog was better. His dog "Measure" was told to get a quart of milk and pour seven ounces into a ten ounce glass. The dog did this with no problem.

    All three men agreed this was very good and that their dogs were equally smart. They all turned to the union member and said, "What can your dog do?". The Teamster called his dog whose name was "Coffee Break" and said, "Show the fellows what you can do". Coffee Break went over and ate the cookies, drank the milk, went to the bathroom on the paper, claimed he injured his back while eating, filed a grievance for unsafe working conditions, applied for Workmen's Compensation and left for home on sick leave.
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/19 19:17:09
    Heptarch
    +1
    hehehe Yeah, that sounds about right too.

    Most Union folks refuse to acknowledge that it was that very same entitlement attitude that contributed mightily to the downfall of their own industry.
  • fuzzy K... Heptarch 2008/12/19 18:49:00
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    A dedicated Teamsters union worker was attending a convention in Las Vegas and, as you would expect, decided to check out the
    local brothels.
    When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, "Is this a union house?"
    No," she replied, "I'm sorry it isn't."
    "Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?"
    "The house gets $80 and the girls get $20," she answered.

    Mightily offended at such unfair dealings, the union man stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully
    unionized shop. His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, "Why yes sir, this IS a
    union house. We observe all union rules."

    The man asked, "And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?"
    The girls get $80 and the house gets $20." "That's more like it!" the union man said.

    He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room and pointed to a stunningly attractive blonde. "I'd like her," he said.
    I'm sure you would, sir," said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, "but Ethel here has seniority
    and she's next."
  • Heptarch fuzzy K... 2008/12/19 18:55:21
    Heptarch
    +1
    LOL Nice. That sounds about right too.
  • JP Heptarch 2009/03/31 03:07:12
    JP
    We need cheap energy. The demand for suv's is very high when gas is affordable. No one wants a tin can unless gas is too high.
  • BabyboomerRN 2008/12/18 15:47:38
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    +1
    Will thy make 4WD or AWD versions? I drive 60 miles one way to work every day and I live in MI so I like having the AWD vehicles to get through the snow.
  • fuzzy K... Babyboo... 2008/12/18 18:02:00
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    AWD? 4WD? Why not?

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