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  • katywon 2012/06/30 05:34:42
    katywon
    Wait and see, I think it will turn out fine but time will tell.
  • Joe61 2012/06/29 18:55:49
    Joe61
    Does it?
  • aherbert 2012/06/29 05:47:42
    aherbert
    +1
    afordable healthcare act


    What a great day for America ....

    afordable healthcare act afordable healthcare act

    Thank you President Obama ... and Nancy!

    afordable healthcare act obama and nancy

    afordable healthcare act obama and nancy
  • RogerRover 2012/06/28 21:15:53
    RogerRover
    +1
    Exposing Obama's largest tax increase EVER! Firing up the 'sleeping giant' that showed up in strength in 2010. Mollifying the schemer (thinks he won) Roberts...you sly ole' fox, my hat's off to you. Thank you
  • Geenie ... RogerRover 2012/06/30 03:37:16
    Geenie Nabottle
    Me thinks the "2010 slumbering giant" will be seen for what it really is this time around..... a big slew footed bumbling doofus of an oaf!
  • RogerRover Geenie ... 2012/06/30 11:24:22
    RogerRover
    No one remembers the 'shellacking' of 2010, largely over the same issue?
  • Geenie ... RogerRover 2012/06/30 15:30:57
    Geenie Nabottle
    As a student of politics, I feel the need to remind you of the importance demographics in election cycles. You seem to have forgotten the electorate in presidential election years is VASTLY DIFFERENT from that of mid term election cycles. If you are counting on the same electorate that showed up during the mid term election making a huge splash or difference in the outcome in November..... You are in for a RUDE AWAKENING!

    Drop in the bucket
  • RogerRover Geenie ... 2012/06/30 23:13:50
    RogerRover
    Not a rude awakening....a needed refreshing and liberating response to an obvious (to all but the deceived, and in DENIAL) wake up call. Sorry, not buyin' the hype.
  • Geenie ... RogerRover 2012/07/01 00:07:36
    Geenie Nabottle
    Not selling hype.... Just good old fashion statistics.

    "Men lie, women lie.... Numbers don't lie" ~ Jay-Z
  • RogerRover Geenie ... 2012/07/01 01:59:35
    RogerRover
    Lots of lies out there. Who's gullible enough to swallow 'em is the question, I reckon. Your hype isn't sellin' so good.
  • sglmom 2012/06/28 18:19:42
    sglmom
    +2
    The news here ..
    is it was CALLED what it is ..
    another TAX .. a NEW TAX ..
    one that is placing the BURDEN on those of us who work hard each and every day ..
  • Geenie ... sglmom 2012/06/30 03:42:33
    Geenie Nabottle
    If you "work hard each and everyday" one would think you also would already have health insurance and thus not face any tax for not having health care..... You do know the only people assessed a tax under Obamacare(s) are the people who CAN afford health care and FREELY CHOOSE TO NOT CARRY HEALTH INSURANCE!
  • sglmom Geenie ... 2012/06/30 03:45:01
    sglmom
    +2
    NOPE ..
    for there's ramifications in this horrible TAX ..
    that specifically call out for additional TAXES ..
    those who have .. not only worked hard and taken care of their responsibilities ..
    but also target those like myself ..
    who are Military ..
    and have specific ADDITIONAL Taxes that we are going to be charged because of this .. TAX ACT.
  • Geenie ... sglmom 2012/06/30 04:02:50 (edited)
    Geenie Nabottle
    WTF are you talking about?!?

    If you are Military you ALREADY GET GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE!

    Who exactly do you think the VA is for???

    The only "ramifications of this tax" is that people will need to take personal responsibility to ensure they have health insurance to cover themselves if they get sick instead of using the ER like their personal PCP!
  • sglmom Geenie ... 2012/06/30 05:14:21
    sglmom
    +7
    Really?
    Shows just how little one knows ..
    about the Military Health Care system ..
    and the VA too ..
    Do you realize I pay premiums to stay in Tricare .. separate premiums for Dental Care .. separate premiums for Long Term Care ..
    that I pay co-pays and Deductibles .. that there are TIERS of care .. that there are pre-authorizations required .. and that there are uncovered medical care coverages too? Do you know that there's many specific types of care unavailable in the Military Hospitals .. as well as the VA?
    do you know what the Tiers of care .. qualifications to obtain care in the VA health care system?
    Do you understand the ramifications for needing .. supplemental policies .. additional private insurance ..
    because what is Service Connect .. even though one knows .. is well told that there's no care within the Military System .. that we also can't find coverage (and pay out of pocket) for our care giving needs?
    do you know what we pay for our durable medical equipment .. our eyeglasses (for example) canes, walkers, or assistive devices?
    do you know that there's a specific requirement that the Military Retirees when become eligible to Medicare age .. that they must pay Medicare Part A and B and still have to pay the other policies as well?
    Do you know that Civilian providers and Hospitals REFUSE care to the Military Veterans/Retirees .. and that if we happen to go to those facilities in an emergency .. that we must pay out of pocket the costs of that treatment (if they even treat us) .. and that means we also have to do this in advance .. then submit on our own the paperwork to possibly .. (and that's pretty doubtful) to get a miniscule reimbursement (so .. we are out thousands of dollars out of pocket)..
    do you know what Pharmacies have refused to accept Tricare for prescriptions now (because the reimbursement rates are so artificially low ... they've pulled out of the pre-authorized provider network?
    do you know how many providers are pulling out of the Networks for Military Service (the same providers are also pulling out of the Medicare pre-authorized network too) because of the massive cuts to reimbursements, the regulations, and oh, my .. the DENIALS of covered procedures for necessary treatment?
    Do you know that prior to obtaining treatment for Service Connect (if you are so designated) .. you must go to a VA facility first to obtain prior pre-authorization ..
    (and oh, my .. I'm sure you are not aware how far away these facilities are .. for example .. the nearest facility for services (and it is NOT a hospital either) for service-connect females is over 1.5 hours highway speed each way from my home ..
    (nope .. no civilian care authorized at all .. none .. )
    would you like to know how far ahead our appointments are scheduled? I can assure you .. you do NOT just walk into a Military Facility nor do you just walk into a VA Facility and get an appointment that same day .. it is MONTHS in advance ..
    (And I can also state .. there's a time lag between the servicemember leaving the service .. and getting their initial intake for any service-connected injuries .. then there's about 1.5 years between that and actually finding out the results of that initial intake to get (possibly) a basic service connect rating ..
    OBVIOUSLY .. I can go on and on here ..
    (I'm sure this is not going to mean anything to you .. but I've paid for ALL the costs of MY new devices for MY now blindness .. and yes, this is OUT OF MY earnings .. completely out of my Savings .. and there's no reimbursements going to happen ..)
    Do you know that the Military Retirees .. self-fund their own disability too? (yep -- their Retirement pay is seized .. to pay for our disability ratings)
    this is the REALITY overall ..
    THEN add on top of this .. the additional TAX that this Administrator is STILL pushing on the Military Community .. thousands of dollars additionally annually .. (which doesn't even account for the additional increases in co-pays/deductibles, premiums .. and oh, my .. the NINE TIMES for each under 27 Adult per quarter (now .. thanks to this horror .. continued dependents) on our health care premiums that we must pay .. (so .. if you have two under 27 now back to dependency adults .. you have a bill per quarter 18 times your premium, plus the additional premium bump if you have a spouse) ..
    REALITY ... it is harsh indeed ..
    I TRACK this carefully .. it is MY Hard-Earned income that pays all these bills ..
    it is MY ability to pay my bills and be extremely frugal and live carefully that let's me pay this ..
    and it is getting WORSE ..
    there's no good news here ..
    I can't even think of what is going to happen in even 5 years from now .. as my age will mean more denials of care indeed ..
  • Barefoo... sglmom 2012/06/30 05:46:42
    Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL
    +2
    well said...I raved you and commend you. :)
  • Geenie ... sglmom 2012/06/30 05:58:25 (edited)
    Geenie Nabottle
    Please don't presume to tell me about military benefits and health care as both my father and grandfather are veterans along with a host of of relatives, including active duty. Never did I say it was FREE brainiac!

    And do you know that there are millions of Americans would kill to simply get 1/3rd of the coverage you now sit here complaining and whining about. Which I might add would cost them in the private market (if they can even get a policy written with PRE existing conditions) 20 times as much as your out of pocket expenses.
  • sglmom Geenie ... 2012/06/30 06:18:36
    sglmom
    +2
    Wrong again .. (I know the Civilian Market for Health Insurance .. and have navigated through it after my Military Service Career Honorably meant my Retirement .. )
    Don't you DARE tell me about private insurance ..
    which I STILL Have .. and pay for too (at a higher rate than civilians would pay .. oh, yes, indeed .. that is the penalty I pay for MY having served in uniform ..
    I can tell you about this ..
    because I LIVE with this ..
    and I can also state .. that there's many in the civilian community who have FAR BETTER COVERAGE than I do ..
    at less of a cost .. even with Pre-existing civilian conditions ..
    (and I can't get coverage in the Civilian Policies .. for what are service-connect conditions .. in other words .. there's a LOT That is UNCOVERED in my expenses .. that comes directly from MY EARNINGS .. my savings .. )
  • wysiwis sglmom 2012/07/01 01:07:08
    wysiwis
    +1
    Thank you for pointing this out. Most people believe that military health care is "easy street", and it is if you're on active duty, but once you either get hurt, or retire.....
  • hisomouth 2012/06/28 18:08:15
    hisomouth
    +1
    And my Dr. closed the office today!