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Some say using the electoral college for votes is outdated and undemocratic. Which do you think is more important: the popular vote or the electoral college?

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  • kmay 2012/11/07 19:39:23
    Electoral College should determine
    kmay
    +23
    We are a Republic. Remember - the Constitution. Read it. Learn what it means

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  • ProVega 2013/10/07 23:00:39
    Popular vote should rule
    ProVega
    The electoral college allows for corruption and is outdated. We will be better off without it.
  • jmc07806-PWCM-JLA 2012/11/13 14:30:00
    Popular vote should rule
    jmc07806-PWCM-JLA
    Only if it was controled and honest for the people who are eligable.
  • Darnel 2012/11/11 05:23:30
    Electoral College should determine
    Darnel
    Sigh,.. Kinda moot in this case,.. Obama won both the pop and the EC this time.
  • Allen P... Darnel 2013/02/02 06:56:03
  • Darnel Allen P... 2013/02/05 03:10:50
    Darnel
    ??
    Link please.
  • PrettieReptar 2012/11/11 03:30:58 (edited)
    Electoral College should determine
    PrettieReptar
    Instead of doing away with the Electoral College, do away with the winner takes all of it part. The Constitution does not mandate that the winner takes all the votes, the states decide.
  • Bite my shiny metal ass 2012/11/10 14:39:52
  • RobertChristopherLaity 2012/11/10 12:56:00 (edited)
    Electoral College should determine
    RobertChristopherLaity
    The EC has worked for 236 years, Leave it alone. A popular vote MUST be certified by EACH State's Governor by signing a "Certificate of Ascertainment" with the names of each States "Electors" on it. We do not vote directly for

    Candidates,our Representatives "Electors" from the party that won take the votes and are assigned a number of "Votes" that re in the EC in a ratio to the number of US Sentors (2) and Congressmen in that respective stae. It is a population issue.,so that the States with the largest Populations have a reflective number of votes in the process as compared to States with a Smaller .Populatons.

    We use BOTH Popular AND EC Votes to counter-balance States with the Largest Populations determining an election without consideration of the smaller States. A "Blue" CA and A Blue NY would have every Democrat moving to CA and NY before an election.

    Forty five Million voted for Obama but where did those 45M people live?
    Mostly in the "Blue" States.

    If the situation was reversed and Romney won the Popular vote from Larger Red States,you will see why an EC is necessary.
  • anubuis2001 2012/11/10 12:22:24
    Popular vote should rule
    anubuis2001
    Popular vote is the people's decision! If other politicians want to have their voice heard then vote with a ballet like everyone else
  • cfd007 2012/11/10 03:39:49
    Popular vote should rule
    cfd007
    Popular vote. The states with the most electoral votes are all left wing and usually have the most recipients of welfare.
  • BlackSouth cfd007 2012/11/12 17:59:15
    BlackSouth
    +1
    That is a lie. The states with the most electoral college votes are Red states and they, contrary to popular belief, receive the most government assistance, welfare or what you like to call "free stuff". You should better inform yourself.
  • MediaMike 2012/11/10 01:10:23
    Electoral College should determine
    MediaMike
    We don't have a democracy. The Law of the Land calls us a Constitutional Republic. In order for the People and the States to have proper representation at the subservient federal level, the State legislatures should elect the Senate, as well as the President. The People, represented in the House, hold ALL the keys to the money, so no matter what the Senate passes, the House can deny the funding, thus always guarding the wealth of the People by keeping taxes down.

    The object is for all the above to respect the unalienable Rights of the Individual! That is why we don't have a democracy, and should never become one. Democracies only work until 51% find out that they can steal the wealth from 49%. Then, the democracy dies violently.

    Thank God, or whomever gave you YOUR unalienable Rights, that our Founding Fathers knew better than to create a democracy.

    We should roll back the Constitution to the first X Amendments though, and an 11th defining "person" as any homo sapiens over the age of 18 years.
  • cfd007 MediaMike 2012/11/10 03:41:41
    cfd007
    Democracy is nothing more than mob rule.
  • BlackSouth MediaMike 2012/11/12 18:01:18 (edited)
    BlackSouth
    yeah and bring back slavery right? what ridiculousness. Roll back the constitution back to 10 Amendments and blacks will have no right to vote. Too late for that now don't you think?
  • MediaMike BlackSouth 2012/12/01 16:27:31
    MediaMike
    That's SO not true! Blacks aren't considered "non-humans" anymore, last I checked. Also, women aren't less than men in law, last I checked.

    We aren't buying slaves from other countries to do the grunt work anymore, since people now volunteer to be slaves by signing a W-4.

    Rolling back the Constitution to its MEANT controls on the federal government, with today's accepted values that all Homo-Sapiens are "people," would surely be a better thing for all of our liberty.
  • DDD 2012/11/10 00:42:22
    Electoral College should determine
    DDD
    +1
    Few people today seem to realize what a remarkable document the Constitution is. For the first time in history it set up a nation that was ruled by law, not by one individual or a small group of human beings. And not by “democratic vote”.

    We are a Republic. The Constitution establishes that all our laws are to be “democratic” laws, laws that apply equally to all people regardless of wealth or class or ethnics or ? But we are not a Democracy where we would be expected to study and debate and vote on every issue, on every law. We elect (hopefully) wiser individuals to do that for us … that is a Republic.

    We are steadily losing our rights to forces that ignore the principles of the Constitution and attempt to destroy it... in the name of a false “democracy”. Anyone should automatically be suspect who proposes changes to the one tool that has made us the strongest nation ever, and populated by people that are freer than any ever on the planet.

    That said, the electoral college is one of the few remaining if subtle safeguards of that freedom from tyranny.

    We are not one nation but a confederation of Nations. We are part of the United STATES. We have a Representative form of government, aka a Republic. Each of those States is allowed representatives to the federal gov...















    Few people today seem to realize what a remarkable document the Constitution is. For the first time in history it set up a nation that was ruled by law, not by one individual or a small group of human beings. And not by “democratic vote”.

    We are a Republic. The Constitution establishes that all our laws are to be “democratic” laws, laws that apply equally to all people regardless of wealth or class or ethnics or ? But we are not a Democracy where we would be expected to study and debate and vote on every issue, on every law. We elect (hopefully) wiser individuals to do that for us … that is a Republic.

    We are steadily losing our rights to forces that ignore the principles of the Constitution and attempt to destroy it... in the name of a false “democracy”. Anyone should automatically be suspect who proposes changes to the one tool that has made us the strongest nation ever, and populated by people that are freer than any ever on the planet.

    That said, the electoral college is one of the few remaining if subtle safeguards of that freedom from tyranny.

    We are not one nation but a confederation of Nations. We are part of the United STATES. We have a Representative form of government, aka a Republic. Each of those States is allowed representatives to the federal government based on both their population (the House of Representatives) AND on their equality as separate States/Nations (the Senate). Those representatives make common laws for the 50 States ONLY on those subjects that the Constitution gives the Federal Government power to do so... such as a common defense. The Representatives represent the people the Senators (are supposed to) represent the individual States.

    The States also have a number of electoral votes based on the combined number of Representatives plus Senators.

    It is the States that elect the President, not the people. It is the legislators of each state that determines how those votes are to be cast, not the people. The people are supposed to vote for State level representatives who will then reflect their desires and their best interests in voting for a President.

    In most States, their local State laws of past years have determined that the people of that State will determine how those electoral votes will be cast. That is, the State Legislature have determined to follow the results of the popular vote (that is the States' individual choice under the Constitution). In some States they have also chosen to cast those electoral votes as a block based on the majority rule (within that state). But for other States they have chosen to split those votes if the popular vote is split.

    The constitution retains that right for each State, to choose how they will cast those votes through the electoral college. Historically, if the State Legislatures chose to do so, they could completely ignore the popular vote.

    After all, shouldn't we elect people close to our home, people we might actually know, who hopefully will have more information than we do on who is the best qualified to lead and to serve our interests in those high offices? We should be letting those whom we chose (because we know they are smarter and wiser than us) pick the most capable.

    The election of a President is supposed to be the selection of the most qualified leader, not choosing who we think looks best in a few hours of television debates. It is not a popularity contest. It is not Dancing with the Stars!

    Over the years, the States have given up the right to be represented in congress by allowing their Senators to be elected by popular vote. The State legislatures now hold no power over their own Senators, who spend much of their efforts preparing for the next election, not serving the State's interests. Your local State legislatures has NO VOICE in DC. Now, the electoral college is virtually the last thread of power left to the individual states.

    Changing that is one more step toward the Tyranny of the Masses feared by the founders of this nation.
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  • lolo 2012/11/09 23:03:08
    Popular vote should rule
    lolo
    +1
    It's just plain stupid that Ohio and Florida get to pick the President every election. This electoral crap needs to go!
  • BlackSouth lolo 2012/11/12 18:03:36
    BlackSouth
    mad because things didn't go your way this time around....again. That's alright you will get over it.
  • lolo BlackSouth 2012/11/12 18:44:00
    lolo
    Not really. I just hate the electoral college. I think it underminds the whole point of voting at all. Why bother when every election, regardless of the whether it was Bush or Obama, is always decided by Ohio. Are they more important than the rest of us? I think not. Popular vote is the best way to decide an election.
  • Mark P. 2012/11/09 22:32:29
    Popular vote should rule
    Mark P.
    +1
    That would be the true will of the people. No 1 vote should be any more important than another.
  • DDD Mark P. 2012/11/10 18:29:43
    DDD
    +1
    The "true will of the people" is as tyrannical as a king or an emperor. It was that majority-of-the-people rule that 'voted' Socrates to death for 'religious heresy' in the last working Democracy of any consequence. The order of LAW is what we have if we can keep it. The individual and minorities can instantly lose all rights when the majority rules.
  • arkiii 2012/11/09 22:02:19
    Electoral College should determine
    arkiii
    unless you want to change the Constitution, its the electoral college that decides...
  • bpf 2012/11/09 21:45:51 (edited)
    Electoral College should determine
    bpf
    +2
    It has worked well for the pass 200 years, the Founding Fathers put it there for a reason, so the larger States like CA, PA, etc who are more Left wing would not drown out the other smaller States. People in this Nation do not know their history, what is in the Bill of Rights or more important the "CONSTITUTION" and why it was designed the way it was! ....Go pick up a book, read suggest first the Constitution, then the Bill of Right and then maybe, "The 5000 Year Leap"
  • @TheMissesHelp <-Follow/Twe... 2012/11/09 21:43:52
    Popular vote should rule
    @TheMissesHelp <-Follow/Tweet me
    +2
    Whoever gets the most votes should win. Period.

    Follow me on twitter @TheMissesHelp
  • DDD @TheMis... 2012/11/09 23:48:10
    DDD
    Then the election of a President becomes a popularity contest, the legislatures of the individual States become completely meaningless in national affairs, and we are a step closer to a dictatorship.
  • MediaMike @TheMis... 2012/11/10 14:24:01
    MediaMike
    That's called a Democracy. Democracies don't protect the rights of the individual. In fact, in a true democracy, there are no individual rights whatsoever. All is at the whim of the masses. Have you checked the IQ, foresight, and moral fiber of the masses lately?
  • dkaz 2012/11/09 19:30:11
    Electoral College should determine
    dkaz
    "Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions.

    Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the 'new, wonderful, good society' which shall now be Rome's, interpreted to mean: more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious." -- Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • Beverly 2012/11/09 18:41:21
    Popular vote should rule
    Beverly
    The popular vote does not have liberal states with higher votes, such as CA, which cancels out the voice of the people.
  • DDD Beverly 2012/11/09 23:45:02
    DDD
    In reality the electoral college gives an edge to the voice of people in the smaller states, not to the larger ones.
  • Todd Parsons 2012/11/09 18:19:06
    Electoral College should determine
    Todd Parsons
    As much as I don't like it... I'd rather leave it.... If you start amending the constitution, they'll start changing everything... Leave the constitution alone!
  • Ron 2012/11/09 16:41:30 (edited)
    Popular vote should rule
    Ron
    popular vote and only with photo ID. I also think their should be some form of course so people voting have an idea of what they are voting for.... some people don't have a clue as to what is going on.... if you don't know the basics then you should not be casting a vote
  • BlackSouth Ron 2012/11/09 17:19:44
    BlackSouth
    That goes for the people that say "Anybody", but Obama. That's desperation.
  • Allen P... BlackSouth 2012/11/09 18:06:36
    Allen Pollick
    +3
    Yep, but you gotta remember that it was a REPUBLIC that FREED the black man from slavery. Abraham Lincoln was the Republican.
  • MediaMike Allen P... 2012/11/10 01:12:43
    MediaMike
    Abe couldn't care less whether black men were freed or not. He was assigned the task of keeping the country together, even if he had to kill half of it. He answered to his railroad masters effectively.
  • Grammar... MediaMike 2012/11/11 23:08:22
    Grammar Freak
    I don't think so.
    Everything I've ever read about him says the opposite.

    He was, however, a swarthy politician.
  • BlackSouth Allen P... 2012/11/11 01:33:28
    BlackSouth
    Oh. So you are a history buff now. This what I think about the Republican Party, They are no different than The Democratic Party. Yes The Republican Party is the Party of Lincoln. Yes the Republican Party freed the slaves. That's where the hypocrisy starts. The freeing of the slaves was only a political move on Lincoln's part. He said himself if he can avoid war without freeing the slaves that he would. Also Lincoln didn't have a very high opinion of blacks. Lincoln, and I quote said " I agree the negro is not my equal many respects certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment." The Republican party did anything to come to power and that's all and after they got it they sold the blacks out in the compromise of 1877. The Democrats gave the Presidency to Rutherford Hayes in a closely contested election in which they won, but in exchange for the Presidency they got their "States Rights back and also the Federal troops that were posted in the south for the protection of the newly freed slaves were removed under the compromises agreement. Making way for the Southern states to for" Jim Crow" laws that marginalized the blacks and the KKK was formed to rape, burn, pillage and terrorize blacks. Even when blacks tried to build their own communities and school...
    Oh. So you are a history buff now. This what I think about the Republican Party, They are no different than The Democratic Party. Yes The Republican Party is the Party of Lincoln. Yes the Republican Party freed the slaves. That's where the hypocrisy starts. The freeing of the slaves was only a political move on Lincoln's part. He said himself if he can avoid war without freeing the slaves that he would. Also Lincoln didn't have a very high opinion of blacks. Lincoln, and I quote said " I agree the negro is not my equal many respects certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment." The Republican party did anything to come to power and that's all and after they got it they sold the blacks out in the compromise of 1877. The Democrats gave the Presidency to Rutherford Hayes in a closely contested election in which they won, but in exchange for the Presidency they got their "States Rights back and also the Federal troops that were posted in the south for the protection of the newly freed slaves were removed under the compromises agreement. Making way for the Southern states to for" Jim Crow" laws that marginalized the blacks and the KKK was formed to rape, burn, pillage and terrorize blacks. Even when blacks tried to build their own communities and schools and churches. (See Tulsa riots of 1921, Rosewood Florida) This continued all the way into the 1960's where the Republican Party turned most a blind eye. It is true the Democratic party was the Dixiecrat party, but things have changed and come full circle. The Democratic Party has shed that racist mantle and the Dixiecrats jumped ship into the Republican Party and even though you may want to deny it, it is true. Even Fox News is saying it. The Republican party is reduced down to old angry white men. or as Bill O'Reilly puts it "The white establishment is in the minority." That Republican freed the slaves card is just as worn out as the race card. Know your history
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  • Grammar... BlackSouth 2012/11/09 18:13:48
    Grammar Freak
    Yeah, but they were lying anyway.
  • BlackSouth Grammar... 2012/11/11 01:34:33
    BlackSouth
    who were lying?
  • Grammar... BlackSouth 2012/11/11 23:09:17
    Grammar Freak
    The people who said, "Anyone but Obama."
  • BlackSouth Grammar... 2012/11/12 00:42:05
    BlackSouth
    They were lying to themselves.
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